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> be me
> zoomer
> use linux
> i use linux
> i don’t know how to use windows, or macos
> i dont know how to use the most popular operating systems
> wait
> i am the joke nowThe number of people in this thread stumped by the “rotate a PDF” comment, even what it means at all, while a smartphone has been 95-100% of their “computer” usage in their lives.
You can rotate a PDF in your mind. It’s free entertainment and nobody can stop you
Expectation: these new generations are practically born with computers in their hands when they grow up they are going to create a new world so fast and develop new technologies
Reality: if tik tok doenst work they don’t know what else to do with their 1000+ euro smartphones
in today’s edition of “why are the kids I raised so damn incompetent?”
i long for a day where people understand that it’s not the ipad kid’s fault they were given a tablet at age 2
It isn’t their fault, but it did happen.
That’s… part of it, but part of it is just ease of use. In growing up, I had to figure out issues with my computer,and getting games etc working took some work to do. I build a gaming PC for my nephew(under 10, but games a lot mobile and with consoles) and he played a few games on it, but then my sister (a gamer herself) said he couldn’t really get used to keyboard over controller (at which point I reminded her she could just get him a PC controller or use one of the console ones that also work on PC).
He just seems to prefer to use things that are already intuitive, and since my childhood things have gotten much better in that regard for consoles and mobile stuff. You can definitely do it on PC as well, but it often means more accessories, sometimes figuring out issues . I got another sister of mine a controller for pc and it took a bit of effort getting it properly synced for the game she wanted to play. It would show up properly in the OS, but then the game he issues, so we had to switch through modes and such, and sometimes even though one mode may work an update or something may break it.
I like using controllers for some games, and WASD for others, but even though IT is my job and I’m good at fixing things, some games have weird issues with some controllers, especially if they have mode options. All that extra fixing and finding the right settings is just frustrating for some, and with easy to use alternatives they may not bother to learn. I had no choice, just SNES and pc while growing up.
No one taught me how to use a computer, I figured it out as I went. I had to tell my 25 year old brother that theres more than one USB port on the back of his computer because he only saw the one in the front and asked me where he plugs in the keyboard and mouse.
Part of the issue for a lot of the older and younger crowd is “Well, it’s not immediately obvious, so therefore its impossible and now I’m mad at you for it.”
I think Zoomers need a generational divide in their generation, tbh. In my experience, older Zoomers are intelligent, capable, motivated, and largely leftist. For some unknown reason though, younger Zoomers are ignorant, prudish, too easily contented, and weirdly conservative. I have yet to understand what happened to cause the divide, and I can’t point to any stats or evidence to support this belief, but anecdotally I have noticed this trend within my own life and spheres of influence.
Let me guess: they’re talking about Millennials, and are entirely forgetting about Gen X once again.
Hahaha its funny each time that happens.
My uncle is GenX and way smarter than my millennial ass. They paved the way for child free poppin off and being tech savvy with a normal tech free upbringing.
Anecdotal I know. But always funny how self centered us millenials can be thinking were the last normal generation.
I heard millennials can’t even grow a proper long beard
Punk kids can’t even manage enough of an attention span to grow a Gentoo long beard!
Please don’t attack like this… Ma kokoro, ma sole.
Yea but our mustache game is unmatched by anyone pre-1920’s.
Honestly? Why do we let people who have no clue what’s actually going on decide the generations?
Oregon Trail generation sounds great.
I’m in the Minecraft generation.
Don’t know what the next generation would want to be called, but they’re the iPad kids for sure.
Probably. But if I’m being generous, we’re really only talking about younger X and older millennials.
This always surprises me as I’m younger millennial and my Gen X dad always feels more technologically behind than me.
But it’s funny because I’m only so into computers because of him as he had things like Windows 3.1 and 95 and 98 in our home from a young age and he even went to school for C++ but he doesn’t really remember it (it got him an accounting gig) and his pursual of technology these days is pretty limited to pre-built stuff from Samsung and Sony than any real grasp of how it works. I struggle to get him to show even passing interest in something like Linux (like, I get liking Windows; you grew up with it: you’re more comfortable with it. But not even curiosity, even if you’ll never use it?).
Expert on Excel and OneNote (because it’s his daily bread-and-butter) but probably would ask for my help on rotating a PDF.
What OP describes sounds much more aligned to my millennial peers than the bulk of Gen. X I know.
Yup!
GenX can’t use computers either.
Some can’t. Computers weren’t commonplace until many GenXers were in their 20s, so some never learned. Those that did learn often learned the deep magic.
The generation that grew up with ZX Spectrum, C64, Amiga etc knows how to use computers.
Fine. Gen X can’t use modern computers.
The generation that used them to create the new generation of smart devices? Sure.
The generation that made most of the websites and software associated with the internet?
I figured they were talking about the Oregon Trail generation. It’s made up of the folks who were old enough and young enough to play the game in schools and spans across parts of X and millennials.
My copy was on a casette
Commodore? I know they had a tape drive and the game. I had an old TI 99/4A with a tape drive and we had Chisholm Trail but it was different.
Yup the PET. I had a copy if the game I got off a friend which was weird as I didnt have a PET though my 1st grade classroom did.
That’s a great way to describe our larger cohort! I’m going to use that. I’ve got so many friends across the Gen-X to Millenial range that all feel like members of the same generation.
Not my term, I just happily co-opted it.
For once they didn’t forget gen X-- I think OP is about xennials
Who?
Or those of us from Gen Z that where born just at the cutoff and got tech acces at a way to young age.
*were *access *too
Yup, you’re a Zoomer alright.
Gen X could write a program that’ll make a floppy drive’s loading noises play the Imperial March.
The amount of my students that wrote the whole email in the subject line is crazy. At first I thought it was a mistake or something. But there are sooo many…
They also don’t know what a file browser/explorer is. As soon as the download notification is gone, the file doesn’t exist anymore.
Giving files proper names? Unheard of!
So many Boomers I know do the subject line thing, I had no idea it was a Zoomer thing too. Oh no…
I often leave the subject line blank, is that better or worse?
About the same level… Put a subject people can search for.
Do E-mail providers no longer let you search the E-mail body?
Yes, officer, this one right here
IMO, that’s absolutely not as bad.
Worse imo, you won’t even be able to tell what the email is about at a glance
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I’m pretty computer literate (I’m using Fedora silver blue now and I’m a cyber college student), and I’m gen z.
I hated our digital literacy units in school, because it was always the most braindead shit every year. Stuff that you shouldn’t have to explain to a person every year, like digital footprint (think before you post), make sure it’s a https website, and misinformation vs disinformation. I wanna cry because my tech and society class I’m taking right now feels like the same shit, but I’m paying now.
I’m not sure how they should revamp, but maybe they need to show modern examples like the honey scam, the thousands of Tiktok influencers who admitted they lied about the stuff they sold when they thought the service was shutting down, and how Google search is forcing shitty AI results. But we do have the unit, it just feels braindead to anyone like me who gives a damn about the services they use online. But I’m a nerd who looks at privacy/cyber shit for fun for hours, not TikTok dual screen braindead…
I mean, people always think teaching not to bully people is boringly obvious and it is, if you stop to think about the concept in theory, but it can be different, when you’re in the heat of the moment; teaching the fundamentals do help people, even if painfully clear to those at a higher level. I think those’re actually pretty good.
The issue (as you’ve kinda noted) is they never go beyond that. The Honey scan might be hard to impart as, if I didn’t know some of how the system worked because I program for a living, it would’ve seemed like magic gibberish. The other two are good ones, though.
Honestly, teaching the fundamentals of how the intervals work in some way I think would go far. The number of people who don’t know what file extensions are always worry me.
ability to discern facts from msinformation/disinformation
But… I love the uneducated…
Giving files proper names? Unheard of!
What kinda monster manages to live like this??? I say hushedly deleting flsjfjsjfksj.pdf
Asdf.txt, asdf2.txt, asdf.m3u, asdf.odf…
I have a coworker who named a file template after the person they were sending the file to. I cannot follow the logic.
As soon as the download notification is gone, the file doesn’t exist anymore.
That seems to be how Android literally works though.
Yeah; I hate Android’s file navigation capabilities…
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Me: Behold!
*quickly presses Control+V
Classmate: Woah! How did you do that??!!!
True story but as a millennial teaching another millennial in college.
Boomer don’t know how to do shit 'cause computers were so rare. Zoomers don’t know how to do shit 'cause big companies profit from people who can’t help themselves and have low standards.
There was only a small timeframe where computers were available, accessible yet not enshittificated for profit like today.
It’ll depend on their hobbies. PC gamers will know this stuff, or at least how to figure it out.
My daughter (5) uses WASD proficiently, so I have hope.
Absolutely. At 10yo I’ve tried my best to teach my kid video editing and basic computer use. A bit ago I made her network two computers using chatGPT as a guide. So freaking proud of her.
Thinking of forcing her to do something new. Does Roblox run on Linux?
Can I recommend Minecraft over Roblox?
Minecraft isn’t as popular, but I was able to get my 8 year old to make TNT arrows and he thought it was a blast. (Hehehehe)
And Minecraft Java definitely works on Linux
Edit: My son claims Roblox is more popular. But that could be because I banned it at home.
Minecraft is a blast! You can buy it and then throw the awful Microsoft launcher in the trash. There areuch better bootleg launchers (i.e. don’t force login). Or just get the bootleg launcher without buying the game.
I have bought the game five times on different platforms by now. I’m not buying it anymore.
My kids also had a lot of fun choosing and figuring out the plethora of mods available.
buy
I literally paid 20€ for 2000h of fun (1c per hour), I’d say that’s warranted
Hearing the best selling video game ever isnt as popular as roblox is weird
Yeah, honestly, I don’t know if it is, or he just talks about it like it is because I won’t let him play it.
Minecraft is way more fun IMO anyway
Minecraft is less popular than Roblox nowadays???
I’m not that old and when I was in school everyone was playing Minecraft (+ later when it released many played Fortnite) and noone Roblox.
He’s in elementary school so it’s impossible to actually know.
with some hassle bedrock can also work iirc. might be the android version though.
That said, I forget which one is which and which was the renaming, but luanti/minetest/minecraftia/mineclone. One is a free open source engine, two are different takes on minecraft clones that are mods for the base engine. Missing features can be covered via addititonal more specific mods.
The main benefit is that its actually free with no microtransactions that can make you broke if your kids figure out how to use your credit card. It also performs way better than both minecraft versions on even older hardware. If the kids can learn free art software like krita or gimp among others, they can make their own skins instead of buying them for minecraft. Pixel art is pretty easy to copy too.
Definitely, and modded Minecraft has taken a great game and made it so much better. The “Create” mod alone has made MC so much more than what Mojang intended.
And the launchers available for Linux let you use modpacks from every source including FTB, letting you forgo a launcher full of ads.
roblax is extremely absolutely vile, manipulative, and not a safe place for anyone let alone children. it’s genuinely worse than 4chan for some time now.
tell me how is brickhill supposed to compete when roblox isn’t down?
What makes you say this? The parental controls are pretty good. Just don’t give access to age range stuff that you feel the kid isn’t ready for. And turn off the chat. The only thing that bothers me is some of the annoying sounds some of the experiences use.
I’ve been told some pretty fucked up shit slips through the cracks like ‘holocaust simulator’ or ‘beating pregnant women’ or assorted bizarre block people sex dungeon stuff, then the literal real money gambling paired with fomo, child labour exploitation through game development hopes and dreams combined with extremely exploitative advertisement options.
Maybe parents from exactly the correct generation can handle the parental controls but the parents I know IRL gave their kids free reign and the ones that cut it off after seeing soulless violent content had a hard time with the kids being straight up addicted. Kid’s shouldn’t even be on online stuff since the average parent has no idea how to use anything other than an iphone and even that they barely know shit.
Back in my day we played reader rabbit and math blaster off of five and a quarter floppies
Child labour.
These days roblox barely runs on windows. Now in order for it to update it needs local admin privileges. So no more roblox.
I commented on my own comment. Need coffee.
Roblox? sober just began working again.
I made her network two computers
How did she do it? Just plug a crossover cable into both of them?
We got a new kid around 19 working at our office for processing data and I hate how true this is. The amount of times I’ve had to say “No, you have to double click to open folders” is entirely too many. Either that or “You have to actually right click on the icon you want to copy you can’t just click anywhere on the screen.”
Fuck me I’m not ready for that. You expect it from the old people but I might have to leave the room if a young person asked me something like that.
I mean, I know millennials who don’t own a computer. Just phones. They got young kids. Not sure if those are alpha at this point or whatever, but how are they supposed to learn it if they got nowhere to practice?
Quite a few working class kids and teens grow up like this.
I teach undergrads, and every year basic computer skills get worse and worse. I guess it’s not entirely their fault, but things like just asking them to save a file to their computer is insanely difficult. Lots of universities are starting to get task forces to figure out how to teach (or where to teach rather) basic digital skills, it it’s all going to hit the workforce really soon en masse.
Let it all implode. I’m sure the companies will thrive with this reality with the bonus of AI slop on top that all these people will be using and putting in all system across our society.
In high school I had to teach a kid how a mouse worked.
You know, I can forgive tech illiteracy. I don’t like it, but I can forgive it. What I can’t forgive is a basic inability to retain new information.
You gotta teach someone to double click on something to open it? Fine. But you should only have to do that once.
The amount of times I’ve had to say “No, you have to double click to open folders”
That’s a real problem when you’re used to Kde and have to use a windows machine.
(Why is this damn thing so slow ? Oooh, right, double click)
You can absolutely configure Windows to open folders – and all other shortcuts – with a single click, and IIRC one of the knocks against Windows ME was that this was the default option. And it was godawful, along with the “click” noise it made on navigation. (I think it was WinME. I’ve probably suppressed the memory, and rightly so.)
But the long and short of it is if you want consistency between your UI’s in that regard you can indeed have it.
I think I tried it years ago. But it didn’t really work with the windows ui for some reason. Nowadays I don’t use it often enough to bother personalising it.
I use KDE Neon and have used Kubuntu before. Double click to open a folder is the default, same as Windows.
It is in the latest versions but it’s very recent. The default has always been single click. They changed it because of windows users.
We are getting this teached in 6th grade what country is this from?
You get one guess.
US?
That’s a BINGO!
(I’m old enough to have received a decent education here and capable of observing the noticeable decline over the past ~30 years)
During a zoom, I was presenting my full screen and was opening a new tab instantly with the scroll wheel click and the zoomers on the call was mind blown.
Is there some magic to rotating a PDF? I just opened one and there’s a button in Firefox saying “Rotate clockwise” and “Rotate anticlockwise”. Are we talking something rotating and then saving the PDF so it stays rotated or just rotating it after it’s already loaded? Or is this about rotating the PDF so it can be printed out?
