Only 4% union members - no wonder the US is so fucked for workers
Funny that more people own a car than have a driver’s license.
Just like their IQ.
I unfortunately have to downvote this as this is far too interesting to be mildly interesting.
This is extremely interesting and illuminating. The kind of thing I’ve been interested in my whole adult life.
I wonder how much of MAGA knows the entire population of illegal immigrants is estimated at a WHOPPING 3% of our population.
It seems the real thing this survey shows is most Americans are fucking dumb.
92% of their population lives in either California, Texas, or NYC, if you do the maths.
I feel like a lot of these numbers, both the “estimated” and “actual” are just outright fucking wrong. Every single person I grew up with was at least some level of gay or bisexual. I get what they’re going for, but they’re also dramatizing it by picking more extreme numbers. Like I’d bet that only 30% of people are actually, truly cishet, if not even lower.
Then there’s the problem of a single number of “estimated”, which can only be an average number. Which contains, likely, some juicy demographics data, assuming they actually polled enough people and kept all the information. I’d be curious to see graphs for each and every number presented here.
Have you considered you might actually be in a minority?
I’m mainly wondering how in the everloving fuck apparently the average guess for “live in new york city” is 30%? Surely that has to be trolls answering 100% skewing the average? The number of nyc residents i have floating around in my head is 20 million for some reason (which as it turns out is already a vast overestimation), which would be around 7% with the 330 million i have floating around for US population (which is pretty close to the real number)
I know the US education system isn’t great, but surely people at least have some very basic knowledge about their own country?
The bi thing is almost certainly your bubble. Younger generations (just gonna guess you aren’t beyond your mid thirties at most, if yes then I’d find your experience very surprising) skew more towards expressing non-hetero sexualities already, and being around more ideologically left-wing groups likely skews it heavily. It could also be that some people feel some same-sex attraction, but still identify as hetero.
The numbers do seem about right in general, bisexuality is a weird thing bc I’m also quite convinced some degree of it is extremely common, but that doesn’t mean all those people identify that way.
Honestly the most shocking number to me is that 65% of Americans own a house. How can 62% have a household income “over $50,000” and 65% own a house? Is it all old people?
A lot of older generations own a house pretty much
It’s easier to put into perspective when you look at how much cheaper houses were before they got bought up by private equity
Americans believe 20% of the people have an income of over 1 million dollars and
20%30%of Americans live in NYC. Am I reading this chart wrong????
NYC has a population of what? 10 million people? So they think there’s only 30 million people living in the states?
I have a lot of doubt over the graph just based on how they average the results. You’re bound to get people guessing super high or super low, which would skew if they were just getting the mean.
NYC stood out to me too. We think 3 out of 10 people in the US live in NYC??? Lmaooo. I think a big part of it is that we just generally don’t comprehend statistics because some of these numbers are wild.
How many of these questions had you really, truly considered before?
I speculate that most Americans just don’t think about these things that in depth and, when asked, throw out a number without giving due consideration.
Don’t attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained by laziness
Maybe because NYC(and LA) are stupidly over represented in the media.
The blue numbers are completely absurd. 30% live in Texas, 32% in California, 30% in NYC. And 20% with a household income over 1 million? I know a couple who are top seniors at Google & Apple, respectively, and while I think they may be over 500k annually, I doubt it’s a million. And I definitely know they are far from the median.
2000 Americans polled in this study*
33% have a college degree yet only 3% are atheist. That’s batshit crazy. I can’t imagine having the critical thinking skills needed for a degree and not using those skills to figure out that god is a fairy tale.
Yes I know lots of educated people are religious - I had several christian professors when I was studying mathematics / computer science. That doesn’t make it any less crazy to me.
Others are bringing up good points, but one of the biggest reasons is many people are idiot savants. Smart in one or two areas and complete fucking morons in everything else.
Being part of a Religion has social benefits, so don’t be surprised if a lot of those non-Atheists don’t trully believe it but participate in it because it’s good for them or because of social pressure.
Certainly, and speaking in terms of Christians which is the ones I’m more familiar with, considering the number of people who actual strictly even just try to follow ALL the teachings of Jesus or even all of the 10 commandments, almost all “Religious” people pick and chose which parts they believe and which they don’t.
(In modern society Greed and Envy by themselves are probably regularly broken by 99% of Christians).
I think you are overestimating the intelligence required to get a degree in this country, also lots of intelligent people have religious beliefs of some level.
And most people who don’t necessarily believe in god or practice any religion still respond to such questions with whatever religion they were born into because it’s not important enough to them to take a hard stance like calling themselves atheist, or maybe they choose to be agnostic so they might not pick the atheist option.
My point is lots of factors go into surveys like these, they don’t necessarily paint a super accurate picture, since any type of survey will have some external and internal biases and sampling issues baked into them
What’s not represented in the graph… I think you’ll find a large portion of agnostics and “cultural Christians”. I.e. people who go to church because they’re raised that way in their community expects it.
Mt wife consider herself catholic but never goes to the church and live her life exactly like mine as an Atheist (doing drugs on techno parties). For the majority of people is just something they don’t really think about and just consider themselves wharever religion just because they grow up in it.
Even if you don’t go to church if you were raised going to church and then stopped, you still might call yourself a [cultural] Christian.
Also being atheist has a bad reputation attached to it for some people, so someone who meets the definition might not self identify as one.
Similarly I expect that’s also why there are a fewer percentage of Democrats than there are Republicans. I may have voted down ballot for only Democrats, but am I a DNC supporting Democrat? Not really.
Nominally “Christian” because they like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
Because you don’t need critical thinking skills for a degree.
This is the correct answer…tons of degrees are worth less than the paper they’re printed on. College has become a grown up playground for many people. Probably 50% of the people who go, probably shouldn’t and should have went to trade schools to learn something that’s useful vs getting a degree in management.
Einstein believed in god.
That depends on your definition of the word “god”. Einstein certainly wasn’t an Abrahamist, he was a pantheist. He believed the entire universe was comprised by a divine whole.
You shouldn’t use “god” as a proper noun. No one being owns the concept of being a god. You’re just legitimising Abrahamism, you’re not helping the atheist cause. Helping Abrahamists erase polytheism doesn’t lead to more atheism, it leads to more Abrahamists.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. I have god, not God. I know because I was typing on my phone and it autocorrected to God three times and I had to go back and fix it.
It should say “gods are a fairy tale”. “god is a fairy tale” is misleading grammar if you don’t mean there’s one. You wouldn’t say “gremlin is a fairy tale”, you’d say “gremlins are a fairy tale”.
These estimates are bananas, this only shows the systematic stupidification of Americans is highly successful.
There are some errors in the “correct” numbers For example, note that the respondents estimated that 89% of Americans have a high school diploma or higher. Yet the chart says the real figure is 65%. But doesn’t that seem odd to you? Do you think on average 35% of people drop out of high school?No, the source of this error is that the question is poorly worded. 90% of Americans 25 or older have a college degree. The graphic indicates the poll asked specifically about adults. And it seems the respondents had the correct answer, about 90%.I don’t know where they get the figure that only 65% of adults have a high school degree. My best estimate is that they mixed up “the percentage of adults with a high school degree” and “the percent of people with a high school degree.” The latter would count all current K12 students, as they obviously don’t have their diploma yet.This is one item that really stood as an obvious and glaring error. And if I can see this one, I wonder if other numbers in either the ‘correct’ responses or the respondents’ results are just due to poor or incorrect phrasing/interpretation of questions.I have two master’s degrees, have spent years teaching undergraduate engineering courses, am working on a dual-major PhD in engineering…and I…apparently…cannot read a plot.
Check the color of the dots, my friend. Red is the true value, blue is the survey participants’ estimate.
I’m a scientist! :D
Appreciate the skepticism regardless!
It’s called propaganda! Relentless, unceasing bombardment of right wing brain rotting propaganda.
Do explain…
Social Media
the systematic stupidification of the 2000 Americans polled in this study*
I find myself wondering how these figures have changed over time. Did we actually get worse, or have we always been this fucking ignorant?
I would estimate we are 25 percent worse.
25% worse over what time period?
WTH, Americans think that 30% of the country lives in NYC?
They think 21% are transgender too… A lot of propaganda has gone through these people.
“Transvestigation” is fucking insane and there are a lot of people who are convinced that many celebrities are secretly trans.
I think it mostly started with disgusting conspiracies about Michelle Obama (they literally believe that Sasha and Malia were kidnapped, even have specific missing children they think they are). Alex Jones and his ilk think Michelle was born Michael.
This was a thing that developed I think late in his presidency, then it expanded to several other figures. My favorite is Donald Glover as a trans man - I’ll gladly welcome Childish Gambino into my community.
It’s a serious “Q anon” type mentally ill worldview.
Donald Glover as a trans man? I’m currious what makes them think that? Either way, dudes a fucking legend and is welcome in any community I’m in.
That’s because he’s incredibly awesome and poignant in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY
We can’t have people respecting a black man who shows the reality of the situation, can we?
The comments are also… very interesting. Apparently Tyler Perry, Will Smith, Journey’s Steve Perry and fucking Messi are trans men.
We are legion!
By the looks of it, it’s 30% to NYC, 30% to Texas, and 30% to California. So 10% for literally everywhere else in the US. That’s gotta be close, right?
I’d totally get that for polling people outside of North America. It’s just shocking to see it from people who have probably been to NYC or at least another major metro area – which would instantly falsify a 30% number for NYC.
Why assume most Americans have seen NYC or other major cities though? Most of us don’t ever make enough money to travel this country’s hard-to-imagine-how-big-it-actually-is vastness, or even enough to leave our hometowns for longer than a couple days before financial woes start nipping at the mind, if not worse.
This is not to say I think it’s a reasonable conclusion to think 30% of our population is in any of these three areas of course. That is silly and requires a very skewed view of things (which, lucky us, is easily provided by any number of increasingly ‘official’ seeming news sources that really just deal in intentional fear mongering and reductionism). Most people tend to believe whatever is put before them, and we have a system that has been explicitly set up to present false images of reality to US citizens. Propaganda to keep the propaganda machine running, right? As unreasonable as it is, it also makes sense that people could be duped into believing it because this system so many of us are stick within is hellbent on ensuring that we are intentionally conditioned out of the ability to know better by adulthood. It doesn’t work on everyone, but it works well enough that’s it’s perpetuation is currently one of the highest yielding economies this foolish country has to offer.
The line of thought that seems obvious and reasonable to you and me has been intentionally beaten out of countless people here before they even had a chance to understand how to think rationally. I don’t know how to fix these things. It is just so obvious to me from this inside vantage that the stupidity of our country is one that has been intentionally manufactured and amplified at the expense of us, the actual people the same system depends on and revolves around keeping ignorant.
Sorry for the rant. Many Americans are dumb. Most of the ones that are never had a real option to be anything else because of how fucked things are here. That’s not intended as an excuse, but as an attempt at an explanation tbc
Most of us don’t ever make enough money to travel this country’s hard-to-imagine-how-big-it-actually-is vastness, or even enough to leave our hometowns for longer than a couple days before financial woes start nipping at the mind, if not worse.
This is completely contradicted by the data:
“The average American has visited 16 states besides the one where they currently live, a new YouGov survey finds. Older Americans are likelier to have visited more states than younger Americans. 32% of Americans 65 or older say they’ve visited at least 30 states [. . .]” link
The working poor don’t participate in yougov that much.
Many rural areas in the US still don’t even have internet access except for the wealthiest homes/neighborhoods among them. And, as we share this exchange, many more are actively ontheir way to losing access to the same, simply because, regardless of the cost on us, our government has decided to put that money into the pockets of people that do not need it. I grew up in an area where the internet was assumed to be only for the wealthy because things were just that stuck in time due to the blatant misallocation of government funding and the greedy fucks that ensured things would be this way. That’s the same government that ran this poll, right? So if we both know, for different reasons and in different ways, that this government can not be trusted, why trust them to give you accurate data on this topic?
The issue with data points like this is that they imply an assumption of completion that simply can not actually exist because of how incredibly large our population is. There is no way to wrangle all of these cats into taking the same singular poll in order to get truly accurate numbers, so accepting these numbers without any skepticism is, at best, an assumption based on a lack of information, much like how some people can believe that a disproportionate amount of people live in unreasonably small areas. Think about the people in those underpriveleged rural areas I mentioned up top. How many of them do you believe were asked or invited to take this poll? How many of them never had a chance to due to lack of access? How many do you think chose not to participate because of their frustration with how things are and the people that made it this way? How many do you think refused because they just couldnt care less?Why assume that these factors should not be considered when trying to get a clear and true understanding of how things are here for the common people?
Sitcoms fucked us up
I’m guessing these same people do know roughly the total population of the US. And are bad at math in general. That would mean 100 million people live in NYC.
The other ~60% live in California and Texas respectively 😆
It’s shocking how bad normal people are with basic math
The way I read this graph is that the upper portion are people they want to oppress and the lower portion are people that they preserve is oppressing them.
Feels like they polled an elementary school in Jersey
Mississippi more like.
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indians, from india are one of the richest POC groups in america.
