When they’re willing to ignore the family’s wishes to pull the plug in life support of a dead woman because the corpse has a fetus growing inside of it, I don’t think anyone should be finishing inside of anyone else without multiple forms of birth control.
Low birth rates are only problematic to carcinogenic ideologies.
I’m gonna get hammered here because this is Lemmy and anything even loosely associated with Natural Family Planning is going to get down voted.
There are very specific and narrow methods that work well (not perfectly, obviously). I won’t quote and statistics here.
To start up top, if you want to use any method of birth control, do it. It’s up to you entirely, I don’t judge anyone at all.
Also, anything related to the calendar method, day counting, or any such nonsense fuckin sucks. Some like to rope that into natural family planning because they are super simple… But super simple doesn’t work.
If anyone is interested in learning about one that actually has scientific backing, it would be the Billings Ovulation Method. But it’s not day tracking or anything… You need to do some work. You need to learn about it, learn your own body, and be diligent. And most importantly, use alternative methods when you aren’t sure.
Again, I’m willing to bring on the downvotes, but I hope people research before assuming it’s all bullshit.
And just to be clear: If you want something easy, use birth control.
As an edit: I want to fully acknowledge the gap between typical use and perfect use. My wife and I are certainly in the perfect use category… Her dad is a doctor and we are well aware of all the science behind it. If you aren’t going to put in the work, the method is NOT for you. At all.
I won’t quote and statistics here.
Weird. Wonder why
I mean I want people to łook them up. A lot of studies have them at 99% effective, but with perfect use, which I noted above. Wikipedia says 0.5%-3%, but it depends on the study.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billings_ovulation_method
Realistically, quoting stats doesn’t change anyone’s mind. I doubt you’ll really believe the above. I’m sure you can find things that list it higher, or that you should use typical use rates, which is a completely fair criticism. As I said, this method is not for everyone.
Just want to drop this here.
Birth control is great.
Some methods of birth control are bad for you specifically. Not all birth control is equal. You are a complex piece of equipment. Birth control alters the way that equipment works. There are side effects, no matter what, and they are listed because the were well documented in clinical trials.
That does not mean you should not use birth control. It means you should work with your doctor to find the one that works best for you.
My wife tried a birth control medication that had an interaction with another medication and made her very drousy. My sister took one that made her feel suicidal. They shopped around and found something that worked.
Yeah. Summarizing this, BC has a lot of side effects, but pregnancy has even more.
Frankly, I’m hoping that RISUG makes it to the US. I would get two reversible injections in the crotch to basically prevent pregnancy with zero side effects.
Just do condoms?
BC pills have usages outside of contraception. It can be used to treat various issues related to hormones.
Condoms are fine if you want to protect from STIs, but they’re less effective than other hormone based contraceptives to prevent conceptions.
And much, much, much more expensive.
I practice natural family planning
It’s called being ugly
The states that imposed these Draconian laws have terrible maternal mortality rates now and they’re trying to hide the data so they don’t have to acknowledge the harm they did. Same way it was during COVID where some state governments like Florida were attacking independent investigators for having accurate numbers when the state changed theirs to try and look better.
I highly encourage anyone that doesn’t want to ever have kids, to go get tied or snipped so that you won’t ever have to worry about it.
And if you’re in a conservative hell state in the United States where doctors refuse to do a tubal ligation unless you have one child, are over 30, or “get your (nonexistent) husband to sign off on it”, find a doctor in Washington, California, Massachusetts, or really any non Republican dumpster fire, and they’ll likely treat you like an adult. Likely. Not bitter about that at all.
I’ve told my partner that if anyone needs my sign-off on any medical decisions, they are to inform the provider that I will be more than happy to do it, but I’m going to punch whomever is requiring it in the face first.
One of my best friends had endo. She tried to get it fixed (she is not straight and never wanted kids) and she was told “no, there’s other options, we’re not doing a hysterectomy” multiple times.
I believe it was her third suicide attempt after being admitted multiple other times for self harm that they finally took her shit out.
She’s been fine since then. No suicide-inducing pain, no debilitation, no problem. You’re right—it’s fucking insane that it has to come to that.
I won’t do this until we have a surgery that allows you to turn your sperm production on and off at any time with the push of a button.
I don’t want kids but I may want them someday, and I rather not have to go through surgery twice and spend a bunch of money just because I changed my mind.
Iirc they can extract sperm directly from the testicles with a needle for folks who don’t want to/can’t get a vasectomy reversed but change their mind about kids, not a fun procedure to go through I’m sure but still easier than reversing a vasectomy and a much shorter recovery time
How would you feel about adopting?
I got snipped and then got married to someone who already had a kid, so I ended up being a (step-)parent anyway. But I told my doctor that if I ever changed my mind, I would adopt.
Good news everyone! That already exists. https://bimek.com/
Uh, yeah, as an idea, lol:
Since spring 2016, we have had the OK from an ethics committee of a renowned clinic in Germany for the clinical study on the Bimek SLV Model 4. Unfortunately, we have not yet been able to find the financial means to start the clinical study.
For an investment of 600k € we could at best have the test valves manufactured. But then there would be no money left to push the study forward in compliance with all medical device laws. If no further investments were made then, the validity of the sterile packaging would expire.
It is not easy to find investors for this project if one is honest and openly communicates known risks.
Seeing “© 2018” at the bottom of the website doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either, lol.
There’s an open source period tracker called drip that doesn’t collect your data. Everything is kept local. My wife used it for a while and learned some things about her cycle. It was also cool being able to know almost exactly when she’d be on her period 2 months ahead of time.
Look into open-source apps. You’re on freakin’ Lemmy.
well, thats tumblr
I think we just need to type louder.
What?
THEY SAID:
I THINK WE NEED TO TYPE LOUDER
Thanks, I couldnt read it the first time 😂
Cycle tracking in Apple’s Health app is also private.
I honestly think we need to assume that all (US-based) tech giants are compromised, and the gov has full access to every single bit of data they have on you.
Even if this isn’t the case (yet), this is the most prudent way forward.
No source code, no trust with information about my period.
Bootstrappable and reproducible builds; mother fucker!!!
It is, for now, but what if the fascists eventually order Apple to give up the info?
I knew a woman who stopped taking birth control because of occasional headaches, and she and her husband both ended up with one that didn’t move out until 23 years later.
This actually happened to me. The doctor said the birth control was raising my blood pressure. I said “I don’t think so” but turns out she was right. So I quit them and immediately got pregnant.
But when you say “occasional headaches”? The other thing I found out when I quit them is that they were amplifying my migraines quite a lot. Occasional headaches does not adequately describe that pain, vomiting from the pain.
(ETA - the copper IUD was also a nightmare for me, but eventually landed on the hormonal IUD and that was fantastic, those got me through to menopause - Birth Control doesn’t have to be the pills, and not all of the ‘hormonal’ methods are the same. And an IUD will last longer than the current administration)
I’ve used hormonal IUDs since I was 16, and they’ve fantastic. You can just have one inserted and then not have to worry for the next ~6 years. Completely stopped my period too (came back briefly before I got on T, then T stopped it again, and now it’s still gone after being off T for several years). I can not overstate how amazing not having a period has been for my mental health.
When I first tried to get one, my doctor tried to convince me out of it because I was “too young” and hadn’t had a child yet. I’m so glad I stayed firm in my decision and got a gyno who would work with me.
Sure, the general “birth control is bad for you” message is not optimal. But the root of this misinformation are insights about the side effects coming up more or less recently. iirc one third to half of all women on hormonal birth control experience major side effects like headaches, nausea or mood changes. I can see how these significant findings combined with patriarchy awareness and associated anger led to exaggerated messages.
Nonetheless, I think people thinking more critically about birth control is a good thing as one should always consider both benefits and risks.
Edit: Or did I misread this post? If so, I’m very sorry…
Do you know what has all of those adverse effects in much greater frequency while also having a profound effect on your life? Pregnancy
Yes, the medical field has done a fucking terrible job of communicating the adverse effects of anything to do exclusively with AFAB bodies - look up what an IUD insertion is like without anesthesia - but again, if we compare hormonal birth control to pregnancy in terms of adverse physiological and mental effects, it’s not even on the same planet.
Yeah, it might not be great for a sizable percentage of folks, and a minute percentage of folks have more immediately dangerous adverse effects that make taking hormonal birth control impossible, but in almost every case pregnancy is worse.
There’s an obvious reason to get pregnant, for sure, but it comes with much, much greater risks than preventing it, especially if you don’t want the intended outcome of pregnancy.
I feel like the tumblr post is aimed primarily at hormonal birth control and the like. This is what I had in mind writing my comment at least. I am not arguing in support of not using any birth control at all. The simplest and not much less safe method are condoms. Easy to use and basically no side effects.
Yeah the pill is a great tool but can definitely have its side effects. I know my wife on it had a terribly low libido to the point we joked that’s how it kept you from getting pregnant
There are some serious health implications too like reduced bone density, heart issues, and cancer risks. Women should have the choice to take them if they want to obviously, but there can be very real side effects.
Don’t most of these issues relate to the pill specifically? The pill releases far more hormones in the body than a UDI which to my understanding is safe for most women.
I think there is a lot you can about side-effects on anti-conception (from condoms are a hassle to pills mess with hormones), but lately young people are more in favour of ‘natural sex’ such as you pulling out early when the woman is ovulating which is (obviously) far less effictive. But the thing is,
one should always consider both benefits and risks.
young people aren’t good at considering the the results of those results because a) their brain is still developing and b) experience comes from trying. They need to be protected against themselves, just like we do with alcohol, drugs, driving etc.
I think headaches and nausea are preferable over unwanted children for most people
I get where you’re coming from, but there’s a bit of a (hopefully unintended) subtext in your comment that women must be the ones to bear the inconvenience in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Used correctly, condoms are about 1% off from hormonal birth control in effectiveness. But I guess headaches, nausea, and other side effects for women aren’t all that bad compared to some reduced sensation for the penis. After all, women are already used to it from their cycles, right? /s
women must be the ones to bear the inconvenience in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Women are the ones who get pregnant. Take it up with evolution.
This is like complaining that you’re the one who’s expected to lock your doors to prevent unwanted people in your house. Sure, you CAN choose to trust someone else to lock your doors for you, but ultimately, it IS your house, and YOU’RE the one who suffers the consequences if there’s a break-in, so when it comes down to it, it makes perfect sense to consider it primarily YOUR responsibility to take the precaution against the outcome that YOU (at least, you more than anyone else) don’t want.
Used correctly, condoms are about 1% off from hormonal birth control in effectiveness. But I guess headaches, nausea, and other side effects for women aren’t all that bad compared to some reduced sensation for the penis.
Don’t pretend women don’t also prefer sex without a condom, lol. Condoms are never wanted, by either men or women, when their STI/contraceptive ‘abilities’ aren’t needed.
After all, women are already used to it from their cycles, right?
The biggest irony of this is that women can stop having periods altogether with the right contraception, and that’s one of the many reasons women (especially those who have especially-unpleasant/painful periods) go on them, aside from actually needing to prevent pregnancy.
Discomfort or inconvenience of condoms would also be preferable to an unwanted child for most people. Be safe, use both
Handing out endocrine disrupting medication to teenagers for decades to come is a pretty crazy idea if you stop to think about it. Not to throw the baby out with the bath water, but we do have a lot to learn about how the human body works.
Everyone should be using condoms, though. It’s a good backup for monogamous couples and it’s the bare minimum that people who change partners more frequently should do. Have you seen the Gonorrhoea stats lately? And the antibiotic resistance? Bag it!
Handing out endocrine disrupting medication to teenagers is a pretty crazy idea
JK Rowling would be proud.
the ole’ “we don’t have enough data to let children have autonomy over their bodies”
That’s one way to read it. That’s not what I meant. Not everything is about that troll.
Gotta grow new soldiers for the next war
The whole point of everything they’re doing is to create an uneducated population of easily manipulated fodder. Of course people are forgetting. This effort has been running for 20-30 years (or longer) at this point, and it’s working.
Yup, and it’s working so well they’ve shifted into next gear and are stepping up the plans.
It’s being pushed by the TERF/radfems on tumblr (covert alt right movement) as well. Birth control messes up your goddess energy or something.
Back to good old withdrawal method and coat hangers in the US for birth control
