I’m a little bit confused on this: if you visit the policy page now it does (at least for me, in Europe) still list “Sex, Gender, or Sexual Orientation” as a protected group in that exact same list. Obviously slightly different as they’ve combined a couple of different groups in there where previously they were delineated: plus I wonder if this is potentially showing because I’m in a different region. Would be interested to see what someone in NA sees: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939
EDIT: Nevermind, saw further in the thread
More proof Rainbow Capitalism was a lie/ad campaign to take more money from queers.
I wish I could rub this in the face of every cishet who said Rainbow Capitalism was actual progress.
Keep using uorigin for blocking as. Also use Firefox.
It’s almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.
It’s almost like their support for these issues was never genuine to begin with.
Was yours? Commenting online isn’t exactly fighting the good fight. Did you do anything to help shore up and defend anything.
These companies face legal action from the government that was elected. A government elected who won power by spreading their shitty ideology everywhere.
What are you doing? Why are you swinging on someone clearly with you?
It’s too hard to change anything, but only if it’s progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.
Well. Being a bigoted asshole is easy.
Actually being inclusive and nice to people takes effort.
It’s too hard to change anything if one believes in laws, rules and the general idea of a fair justice. They don’t have this limitation.
This is what’s fucking shitty about this
Every company and every politician and every person who bends over so willingly IS THE PROBLEM
It’s like they announce their regime and these idiots roll out the red carpets immediately ready be the first company to suck the government off
If they all stood their ground, it would buy more time
They didn’t capitulate. They never fought. They just did what was the best shot at earning money and gaining ground at the time.
Don’t ever expect moral based behavior in capitalism or geopolitics.
They also allowed a pedo back on their platform
Don’tBe EvilLook at the latest executive order on “protecting children”. They are planning for eugenics.
It’s time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi
Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No really, this is a phenomenon that’s known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn’t played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard “made them nostalgic” and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn’t have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.
And there are far, FAR more people like this than there are people with steadfast principles and discipline to stick to them. The depressing majority of people are not really thinking, they’re just going with the flow, agreeing with popular sentiment when it’s convenient, doing whatever they want when nobody is looking because capitalism has bled our axioms out.
If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, actually talking to people in our communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)
edit: I firmly stand by my claim that you can change the world a lot better by being a good, active, social person who organizes your community. If we all kinda, embraced this as a passion and cared about people who aren’t in our discord servers, we wouldn’t need to try to boycott companies who won’t give two shits about you giving them more press.
Yeah, the Tesla boycott totally didn’t work…
You’re right. They didn’t.
The delulu is strong with this one.
Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No they aren’t? People just haven’t actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of “ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you”.
Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla’s stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).
This isn’t to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn’t better spent elsewhere, but don’t dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.
Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.
The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.
If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let’s fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you’re welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I’ve seen over and over.
I don’t want to take away from the general thrust of your point, I just don’t think we have actually seen boycotts that people were actually fired up en masse to enforce.
I think up until right this very moment the general center of mass of society has been largely ok with most of what capitalism is, I think that is going to continue to drastically change, and we will see a lot more wildcat boycotts of companies that significantly hurt them.
That being said I agree that overly focusing on that as a strategy isn’t necessarily wise, but boycotts are definitely a weapon that can absolutely blow up the bridges of corporate 'Murica.
No, this boycott at least isn’t “working” to any serious degree. And teslas stock is negligibley effected by any the protest. It can all be so subjective, though, anyway.
Lol, no, i looked it up, this is not a “VERY” successful boycott. Not in the least.
Boycotts are not enough, but in combination with girlcotts they are very efficient.
I’ll see myself out.
Best reply I got here tbh.
They say when a boycott meets a girlcott, a baby cot is born…
While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention ‘sex, gender, or sexual orientation’, which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.
“Gender” means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn’t protect trans people, for example. We don’t know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don’t consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with “gender identity and expression”.
This is not a legal contract, it’s a general guideline for users about what is or isn’t acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn’t matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.
What matters is how this affects enforcement.
It doesn’t. It’s not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.
You still think things are run by reasonable people?!
No, but I think most of the people on Lemmy should know better than that.
Looks at Hexbear, .ml, and to some extent Blahaj
Oh, who am I kidding.
Yeah its quite echo chambery here
youtube has enshittified for a while, they went downhill as soon as they announced that they no longer backed election denial reports. then all the right wing, anti-woke videos started popping up all over the place, plus the one that try to seem like its both sides videos too.
allowing people like beast, and others to dominate the front, was asking for trouble.
Reposting my comment another post relating to this situation
I mean this is just them making official how they’ve been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women’s issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube’s rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube’s TOS
Companies are not your friend.
Months ago I reported a Nazi. Like a real Nazi. With a hitler pfp. And they didn’t ban him. This is the channel of the Nazi: https://youtube.com/channel/UCZijsnbYQawRHi-Z3DwEcTA
Just don’t make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi’s videos, because that’s when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.
Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it’s because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it’s hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively… on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that’s only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.
Wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’ve had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they’ve even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.
Stop using youtube.
EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.
What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.
- Remember that one with the dancing penis lmao. That had nothing to do with all the other else
Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.
What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?
None. YouTube included.
I mean, I do use YT as cloud storage for free. And before you say the “nothing is free line,” note my other replies.
Nope. The admin of sh.itjust.works lets you use their storage for free. Google does not.
There are things that are free, Youtube is not one of them.
Okay, as I said in my other replies, the videos are unlisted, not monetized, and I don’t pay for it. What is not free about that?
Is money is the only thing about yourself that you ascribe value to?
Store on a hard drive instead.
They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.
Sounds like you don’t need cloud storage then.
Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.
If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.
What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?
If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.
I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.
And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.
If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?
Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.
Just here to say it’s fucking WILD that you’re being downvoted
Maybe people could read more?
Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.
For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.
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Horse shit.
Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.
Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?
Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.
How about the blind and dyslexic
Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.
It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.
Don’t be disingenuous.
Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.
We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?
Maybe people could read more?
Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s
totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it
Some content lends itself well to written format. Lots of content does not.
absolutely agree. i just wanted to point out that not everything has to be a video
Hell yeah. Let’s hear it for the readers. Let’s hear it for footnotes. Let’s hear it for references. Let’s hear it for bibliographies. Let’s hear it for the more in depth ideas that can be explored via text than video or audio.
What do you think keeps something deep being in the form of audio? I get that videos aren’t great for research but audio can just be written word spoken so that people that can’t read or don’t enjoy reading can experience it. I read more than pretty much anyone that I know in my age range and I don’t see myself as superior because of it and doing some comes across as frankly pomous and self important.
Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s
Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.
I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF
First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-banned businesses).
They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.
The popular YouTubers are trash tho
Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.
The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.
EDIT:
Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.
None of that has anything to do with the creators on Nebula or the Nebula platform itself.
Wow your YouTube recommendations are very different from mine.
I have watch history disabled
Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.
Funny think about that.
I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.
So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it
MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.
As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos
You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.
Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.
You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.
Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.
Weird.
Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.
I have watch history disabled
Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.
I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.
That’s a you problem. Why are you complaining?
Let me know if you find any of that trash on Nebula.
Yeah, exactly. This argument about YouTube isn’t relevant to Nebula.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Nebula is all “bread tubers” and left adjacent.
The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?
dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock.
Oh, so it’s just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole “market” isn’t just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.
Is that the platforms fault?
Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn’t just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren’t fucking videos so that you’ll actually pay attention to them.
https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3351095.3372879
A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying “fuck your rights” to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.
Dude chill out, why are you so angry? I merely pointed out that one of the videos does not support your claims and suggested an alternative hypothesis
Sorry for upsetting you with discussion hot damn
Maybe take a break dude, no need to be this hostile over some youtube videos
Username checks out.
Nebula doesn’t have that kind of ‘popular’ YouTubers, it’s a creator-made platform that’s more focused on science and documentary channels. I don’t think I’ve seen anything on Nebula even remotely related to gaming.
There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.
Sadly I couldn’t get it to stream reliably though it’s been a few months since I unsubscribed.
Interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the video stream on nebula
The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn’t use those and I don’t have or want one.
It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.
Yeah rumble is made by and for Nazis.
And Kick is a cesspool gambling-friendly “free speech” Twitch alternative.
We really should be working together to upload content from youtube to peertube instances.
Don’t ask for permission. Just do it. Civilly disobey.
I dont think its ok to just rip peoples content without their permission.
That’s fine.
Nobody is forcing you to do it.
Riots don’t work unless you smash some windows
Smashing your local mom-and-pop shop will surely show big businesses that you’re serious /s
And who is going to pay for the bandwidth and storage space on those peertube instances?
I mean, I too want to get away from YouTube, but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.
The people who set up the instances usually also are responsible for paying to keep them active.
but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.
I mean, they’re already there. Have you tried using Peertube?
They are already there, and someone is paying for the storage and bandwidth for what’s already there. Asking for random people to start pulling videos from YouTube and uploading them to someone else’s server is going to very quickly make that server go away.
And yes, I have tried Peertube. My experience is when I click a Peertube link from Lemmy, 9/10 it is a dead link.
Newest version of lemmy fixed this quite well. Take a look: https://lemmy.world/post/27751672
Old lemmy broke a lot of activityhub stuff unfortunately.
Gonna have to ignore you, bud.
Arguing with incompetent people such as yourself is a waste of effort.
Goodbye.
Haha, so many butthurt self-righteous people in this thread.
Why are you so toxic? I thought Lemmy was supposed to foster better discussions than Reddit but here you are name-calling and talking down to people.
Please consider treating people better in the future
Yeah and it turns out that this isn’t working well. https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783 Video is an unsolved problem, it’s great people are working on it but we aren’t there yet. PeerTube is not a viable YouTube alternative.
That’s just the nature of the internet.
I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to block you now.
I’ve seen too much incompetence on your part, and I need to stop validating it with responses.
Goodbye.
Wtf
Catalog of what?
Go outside.
Definitely stop
Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.
not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.
Do it fast, they’re trying to kill yt-dlp with DRM.
Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.
If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!
The usual household has nowhere near the upload capacity to meaningfully stream videos.
“As many people as possible” not the usual household.
Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds. You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube
Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.
And I agree wholeheartedly. I’m just saying, that the idea of replacing YouTube with something federated fails due to lack of upload speeds, as cool as it would be. Still, having it even just as a small scale alternative would be cool
No, I won’t.
There is one thing that is vital that is missing from peertube. Effective monetization.
By watching on peertube I am a drain on resources. A net negative. I’d happily pay to offset those costs and more, but I want it to be shared amongst multiple creators and hosters.
I don’t want to just support one, I want to support most of the network for the hosting and bandwidth, and a certain amount divided amongst the creators I watch.
If PeerTube introduces some sort of payment / monetization solution, it might get more creators as well. Without it I can’t see it growing fast enough to compete with YouTube in the near future.
Well… Sooner or later the costs of Full HD compressed video will be negligible for hosting and bandwidth, so that might be when YouTube gets a real challenge. So I guess we’ll see
I remember the pre-Youtube internet where we created content because it was fun or educational, not because we needed money for the task of doing so.
Paying for server costs and maintaining them, sure. MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators. The rest of the people on the site, they just make good content for the sake of making good content, not because they feel the need to be paid for their time doing it.
God I miss the pre-Youtube era. “Content creators” looking for a payday via advertising are a fucking cancer.
People expect to pay a carpenter or a plumber for their services, why shouldn’t entertainers and content creators be allowed to get paid for their work?
I mean, sure but we are past that. No large YouTuber will give up getting paid, and go to a system with a much smaller user base so even stuff like affiliate links and sponsorships are worth less. Basically double lose money just to join peertube. Especially since most large YouTubers have a team of people who they pay, so they cannot afford for their employees sake to take such a large loss just to support peertube.
More likely this leads to Vimeo, or like twitch TikTok or something else being able to support a normal video platform than it leads to people using peertube.
I will never understand people who identify as leftist that refuse to understand that under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.
It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete. There is a reason that the quality of content available on youtube has gone up massively. Say what you want about the writing but there is no way that something like helluva boss could ever have been made entirely online before youtube.
It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete
Yes, it is, if your desire to get paid causes you to remain on corporate-controlled social media, to the detriment of society.
Not to mention, plenty of people can and do put hundreds of hours of work into projects that they don’t ask for payment for.
“Content creators” who get paid through advertisements are class traitors whose interests are aligned with the capitalist class. They will fuck over society to make a buck for themselves.
Do you think the same thing about people who work for basically any company? Because they are way more directly responsible for the actions of their corporation than the average person that makes 50k a year between AdSense and sponsors.
No, my point specifically relates to creative work. You said in your comment:
under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.
This is false, basically. They can do other types of work. Creative work can be done without making money for it. Plenty of people have a day job and make creative work in their free time. The same option is not available for most other types of work, such as government, doctors, lawyers, etc. If you try to do these types of jobs outside of the framework of a regulated business, you’ll get the book thrown at you.
The issue I’m getting at isn’t “are you responsible for the actions you take to make a living”. Rather, I’m getting at the issue of “does creative work require becoming an employee of a capitalist company, thereby siding with its shareholders in having a vested interest in increasing that company’s profits regardless of the societal damage caused?”
The answer to that question is a resounding “no”. Creatives need to grow a spine and get a day job.
Why specifically creatives? There are so many other professions that are more important to someones everyday life and no one seems to hold the same vitriol at them valuing their time that people do for creatives. I don’t see people suggesting that nurses get a day job and do nursing on the side.
“you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.” Certainly is… a take. But anyways, I’m not even talking about being leftist or not or whatever. I just mean, people. Period. It’s not selfish to want to get paid for making something. People need money to live.
Are there content creators who fucking suck? Yes. But there’s also ones that don’t. They’re allowed to make money.
you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.
I didn’t say that, though. Clearly it’s not worth engaging with you.
It’s because some people don’t actually support workers, especially creative workers, regardless or their political identity.
I subscribe to a lot of full time “content creators” that are ad supported and supported via donations.
I curate my feed meticulously to avoid slop, and I get a lot of value, learning and entertainment from those I follow.
I believe they deserve to be paid for the tremendous amount of work they put in.
Some sort of ability to generate a livable wage from creating high quality content seems reasonable, no?
You can pay them. They can choose to require it. Nobody needs to pay a fucking gestapo in between
MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators.
MetaFilter has at multiple points been on the verge of shutting down, no? IIRC, you pay $5 for an account.
Nebula
A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.
What was YouTube before Google bought it? Can it be remade again, or have all servers been captured?
Nebula
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I mean something free
I mean they allow porn videos and animal torture videos on YouTube so like
Oh and snuff videos
