My god! You mean they attached a bomb collar around her neck and said if she didn’t comply they would detonate it?
Wait, they didn’t do anything of the sort? Well, sounds like they didn’t force her to do anything and the only thing stopping her from speaking out was her own spineless cowardice.
Like they were ever going to.
If she was going to do something different to what the party wants, she’d never have been their nominee to start with.
Color me surprised that the Democrats have as much blame for our current situation as the Republicans. Nobody, NOBODY, wanted to return to normal; they wanted real change and the best they got was state-sponsored financing for tech companies and unequal economic policies
Wow, so if true this implies that in the Democratic party even the women running for president has to do what the big man says. Hope this is false.
It’s definitely not false, it’s the playbook all of the political giants have been running for very many years now.
Hillary was going to continue Obamas policies, more or less. its purely sexism why both female candidates never won, sprinkled a little racism.
Or, only people with certain beliefs have the backing/money to get to the top of a US political party.
They didn’t win because their policies don’t reflect the worker base.
Or else what? Withdraw the nomination? (You can’t withdraw a nomination lol)
Harris chose this
Cut off funding, maybe. They would have guaranteed a loss with that maneuver thoug.
Even this seems far fetched. Why would they risk something like that in an election that had so much hanging on it.
Yes. As much as the Dems insist “This is a critical juncture, and we need to unite”, they mean “You need to unite behind whatever we say you need to do”.
See post-election: The only thing the Dems want to do is wear matching outfits, rather than vote “No”.
I’m convinced that the DNC isn’t worried about winning any more races than they have to do that they survive as a political entity. Just going off the push the minority leaders have been making and the stream of emails and phone calls I get, as someone registered independent.
I see and hear nothing about actual policy change or progressivism from the names in the critical positions, and a lot about donations to “help us win next time, guys, for real this time!”
My senators (both women, both dems), haven’t actually responded to any of my calls, emails, or letters asking for their stances or plans for change. I have got several form responses that end with a call for donations, though. 🤷
Exactly
Honestly this behavior is going to keep getting highlighted from Biden because he was an absolute stubborn idiot. He had polling showing him losing to Trump with over 400 electoral votes for MONTHS before dropping out. He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did, obviously it was him or what was left of him.
History will not look kindly on Biden for fucking over his one job of stopping Trump. Didn’t arrest him, didn’t defeat him, didn’t stop most of the Jan 6 protestors, didn’t go after the enablers of his actions, didn’t really stop anything Trump did to avoid debt and jail and we ended up with him for Round 2, Even Worse This Time.
100% agreement. He should have arrested Agent Krasnov and his henchmen on the first day of his presidency, and detained them in isolation without bail or access to the media, until their trials were resolved. If he had done that, Krasnov and his Gang would be in prison right now, instead of the White House.
Instead Biden appointed a weakass Republican as his AG who gave him a 2 year head start to run out the clock.
The Dems had the perfect chance to defend our country from the MAGA scourge, but they totally abdicated their responsibility. It will be 100 times harder to take it back now, and I don’t see it happening without violence.
i felt while he did introduce some good policies, hes much more conservative than obama. dint replace dejoy, and added his supporters in the BOG? allowed to have trump have all the air-time for 4 years straight? im guessing they needed biden to draw the conservative leaning voters that wernt entirely maga? not to mention garland who is a gop SHILL TOO.
his decision to not fire humpty dumpty dejoy was one of the first red flags I noticed months into his presidency.
Look at democrats now. Still doing absolutely nothing. Even if they won they still wouldn’t have stopped Trump or Musk. They’d probably just stand aside if there was another Jan 6.
He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did
Real ted cruz moment, that.
more like the megadonors were starting to steer away from biden and harris.
I am wondering if the mods of [email protected] and [email protected] regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things and it would cost us the election. Like there’s mods in here who go “yeah that sucks, I knew it.” but also just defended Biden/Harris and removed good faith users who posted citations that even their beloved Media Bias Bot said was a good source.
They did it, banned the people who said it, and then people went “where are all those critics now? i guess putin turned them off! hurr hurr haw haw!”
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
I am wondering if the mods of [email protected] and [email protected] regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things
Probably still thinking “This is just a Russian disinfo campaign to smeer the libs!”
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
No, they dig their head in the sand and continue to play stupid. If they ever actually acknowledged reality they’d feel bad, so that’s not gonna happen
Just posting to remind/inform new users there’s been repeated drama with .world policies and mod/admin team in that past. It caused a lot of people to spread to smaller, more varied instances. Which is actually a good thing.
I just started and still don’t understand this lemmy. I thought one of the perks was being able to interact on any server despite which one holds your account.
You can, as long as the hosting server welcomes your interaction. They also have the freedom to NOT allow you (Or anyone else) submit content.
The way it works is communities are hosted on the instances and when moderators do things in communities that makes people mad those people can only go to that community’s instance administrators.
And then people get really angry at instance operators and admins with differing policies and rules about content and moderation.
So those conflicts can and do drive some culture wars. (Ex: Blahaj has little tolerance for gatekeepers, .ml has no patience for american liberal politics, .world is particular about zionism, and so on.)
But otherwise except for instances that defederate from each other the perk is absolutely that instances don’t really matter for registering and posting as a user.
At most just check the instance rules before posting and you’ll probably be just fine on Lemmy.
Yeah that’s true more or less. Some instances block others for ideological or technical reasons. Sometimes posts/comments take time to propagate across the network. But in general yeah you can see everything on all the other instances regardless where your home account is. You could even spin up your own instance and see everything, all the back-end traffic and raw data, if you wanted.
That’s really interesting. Are the people/entities who own individual servers (or even certain servers) known to the general public? I love the idea of social media not being centralized in the hands of billionaires, but I worry about trusting all of the same information to someone whose identity I don’t know at all. Flip a coin, they’re probably Russian or Chinese.
Basically I’m just asking about how/why we trust the owners of these servers. I still have a lot to learn about this technology.
Most of them are pretty visible and interact in their communities and I’m sure their contact info would be relatively easy to find.
But yeah I don’t think there are any rules demanding they be public and you definitely should not trust them by default. They’re people just like anyone else and can have their own agendas and ulterior motives.
Sounds like an excuse. She could’ve had a different stance but didn’t. Because she’s the same thing. She was asked point blank how she’s any different than Biden and she couldn’t answer.
she’s setting up for 2028. assuming we have elections
After an L like this, I don’t think Harris makes it to the 2nd primary debate
The democrats have not held a fair (or one at all) primary in years, and this is assuming the us will even have elections again as the republicans would like to do the democrat method of primary but for elections.
Harris always sucked. She’s a former cop that hurt minorities.
Harris couldn’t answer basic policy questions when she was running for president in 2020 either.
Nonsense. In 2020, she was one of the few that was supporting universal health care, for one thing. Unfortunately, she somehow decided, or was pressured, to stick with Biden’s platform in 2024 instead of her own, more progressive, platform.
She raised her hand to that question in the debates and then mere days later walked it back and said she’d misunderstood the question.
She was one of the least popular candidates in the 2020 primary.
Dude, that’s just not true. Did you even try to look into her policy positions?
sure did. Ever heard her speak?
To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn’t have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it’s a tripping hazard.
She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.
But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.
Honestly, her campaign already signaled that. This, if true, just reinforces it. It also reinforces that Biden was a bad leader, which he was.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Man I am getting sick of needing to say this ahead of time/to anyone who goes “well if you criticized our candidates of their serious and actual issues, you must be a Republican!”
Definitely. And as soon as you say something leftist you’re accused of not voting or “throwing away your vote” so you can’t complain. Like, I get it. “Have the day you voted for” etc, but libs are pointing fingers at the wrong people. I’ve said it like a million times before, but sooo many of my leftist friends reluctantly voted Kamala when they were vehemently opposed to her stance on Palestine and now feel like they sold out for nothing. Like, at least if they hadn’t voted they could say they stood for something. Now they don’t even have a high horse to ride into the apocalypse on. The way libs will break your spirit is wild. They have more energy to fight leftists than republicans.
It’s refreshingly less common here than reddit. I am so happy to find comrades in “i voted for dems but it was under duress” here.
That’s basically how it was for me. Harris was going to win my state no matter what, I did it just to ensure numbers.
I’m still content that I left my vote for president blank. No to all genociders regardless of party-- no exceptions. Maybe the DNC will learn not to ever try that nonsense in an election again if they know they can’t possibly win doing it. Or maybe this country will tear itself apart, but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents, then this system of government will have to end and restart in some different form.
but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents
That’s what it’s been running on the entire time if we stop now it’ll surely collapse!
Based.
Blaming Biden makes sense. Blame the problems on the actual person in charge. Harris wasn’t in charge, she should’ve let Biden take all of the failures of the term, regardless of her position at the time
No democrat president has been “in charge” in 50+ years.
The owners of the DNC have been in charge.
As far as I’m aware, Biden controlled most of the campaign money at least initially. either way it’s still a pretty weak excuse for Harris.
Biden really fucked us in so many ways though, I’m happy to blame him for losing the election as well. I mean he was the one who thought gaslighting us about the economy was a winning move, he put Harris in a terrible position to begin with. Not to mention deciding to run again in the first place, appointing a Trump collaborator as AF, refusing to exercise his power, etc etc
If I was kamala I would have slammed joe. For the good of the country, of course.
I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.
If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.
WDYM “let”? What was he gonna do? Sniff her?
He probably said something vague about decorum.
If you run into Biden can you let him know I decorumed his mom last night?
The way democrats talk: “We’re turning the page and letting the daylight in!”
The way democrats act with a majority: “We couldn’t get any daylight this time, but we did pass these bipartisan flashlights which are known to explode occasionally due to republicans demanding amendments be added to the batteries.”
“We’ve also means tested the flashlights, so those who recall the time before the great darkness get less of the flashlights, and anyone who has flashlights that explode will be required to have a daily check of their pupils to ensure they’ve been good at not looking at the daylight.”
His legacy is in the toilet so congratulations advisors.
I feel like blaming her loss on others takes away her agency. Seems sexist to me. We dont reassign blame like this with male failed candidates, but with Hillary and Harris everyone wants to paint them as purely victims.
I blame her loss on her being a bad candidate who wouldn’t push popular positions. Harris was a week candidate from the start. She dropped out of the primary in 2020 with only 3% support and then got the VP nom.
They were both extremely bad candidates who should not have been in a position to run. If the party had been allowed to speak they would not have been allowed to run.
They weren’t really candidates that failed on their own merits, they were set up to fail by being put into a position they should never have been in.
Neither Hillary nor Kamala could have won a primary that wasn’t rigged in their favor. Since they didn’t get to their position as candidate based on their own merits, it’s reasonable to describe their failure in similar terms.
That said, there is such a thing as more than 100% blame, and this is a situation where A lot of people have a lot of blame. Those two women are 100% responsible for the stupid decisions they made. No one can take that failure away from them, but because of the nature of the mistake, there were a lot more people who should also be blamed and similarly excommunicated from politics.
There are elements of sexism here, but that’s just endemic to politics. They didn’t fail because of sexism, they got to where they were because of it and were set up to fail by it, but there are a lot of problems here beyond and before sexism.
“Didn’t allow her” what does that even mean, in the context of the campaign? What the actual fuck was she doing listening to ANYTHING from Biden at that point? He was a clear looser. He stepped back from the campaign (after he was forced to, but he did nonetheless). That was an incredibly obvious opportunity for Harris to openly and cleanly split from policies she thought were wrongheaded - but nope, can’t have that. Jesus tapdancing christ.
Biden’s hubris put us here, I guess. What an unmitigated fucking tool. He sold us down the river and expects to be remembered fondly by history? Fuck that. The title of his subsection in history books will be “The President who Couldn’t Keep the Republic” (a pointed reference to Ben Franklin’s quip at the original constitutional convention).
The pressure the DNC seems to exert over it’s canidates is insane. There was probably a lot of pressure on her to toe the line. I heard they reigned in Walz quite a bit too.
Maybe one day the DNC will learn
I don’t expect the DNC to learn, because I don’t expect the DNC to exist when the next presidential election comes around.
It’s fucking bizarre that Trump “randomly” ran as a Republican in 2016, and I can recall the fact that the RNC was trying to keep Jeb and Ted Cruz because they thought they would be a better/saner choice, until he had enough votes from the primaries.
He just kinda came from under their noses until they realized “Wait we like this, he is a dipshit we can buy and he does shit on camera for free press! Free advertising for fascism, score!”
I wish I had a portal to look at another timeline to see if someone in the DNC just didn’t bother kneecaping Bernie in 2016 and had the general magnetizing force of him looking for all working class people, including those swindled by Republican brainfuckery. Might have been in a better place for America, even for one term.
^, I am both interested and terrified to see what the next few years bring. It’s only the beginning, and the ride continues to get even more wild in all the worst ways.
I am living the next 6-12 months with a very sharp eye on the answer to the question “how quickly can I permanently get the fuck out of the country”.
The last time that happened was 2000 with Bush v Gore. The longstanding notion was that the VP of the current administration should not really “break ranks” with the current administration. It was seen as undermining their boss essentially.
This was in less fucked up times, mind you. But that at one time was how it was “supposed” to work. Personally I’m a firm believer that “that’s how it’s always been done” is fucking stupid.
It’s good to understand why things have been done that way. Sometimes there’s wisdom in the way things have been done, and lessons learned by people who paid real costs to learn them. Sometimes the reasoning is so bad that doing things differently for its own sake is a reasonable decision. You don’t know unless you dig deeper, and not digging deeper on things that matter seems pretty dumb
It’s good to understand, but if the only answer you get is “it’s always been done this way” odds are it’s bad. If there was a good reason, that’s the reason you’d get.
Yeah absolutely, not providing a good reason is really easy to do when there isn’t one
Suddenly her campaign choices make a lot more sense…
