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No I think it’s weird. I’m not trying to be nice I’m trying to say this sentiment on the Internet has crossed a line

Y’all are weird as fuck about this casting I don’t like it.

Yep. I have trumpers in my life and it is safer to say they’re more Jones/Rogan fan boys. This is two delusions and bullshit piling up against each other.

The most you’ll get is them trying to loop Biden and Bill Gates into the pedostuff too so they don’t feel they’ve totally lost their way

I disagree Obama being a warmonger makes no sense. When Russia invaded Georgia and there was a push to go to war. Did we?

I’m saying he deescalated a very awful military campaign that was branded “the war on terror” and was just one of many wars caused by intelligent agency bullshit when Obama was literally just of age to vote.

It’s not a question of necessary evil it’s a question of spinning plates. Stopping it too fast and it’ll fall to the floor and all those children you use as an argument piece so fucking cruelly and stupidly go with it.

He had power. The president especially under Obama with such a hostile Congress/infrastructure around him cannot just declare the end of a war. Congress funds and declares war. The best Obama could do was deescalate, take action to reduce casualties and attempt to set up some sort of government he can even TRY to broker peace with.

And so he does that pretty well I believe and your ass is being a dick about it. Criticize all you want but do so correctly.

Scroll through this entire thread and look at how many morons are using words like warmonger and acting like he’s the one killing kids. Then look at how fox news portrays Obama. You think they’re not somewhat related?

Trump abolished the ability to know how many children he even bombed and Bush caused more destruction and death than Obama.

Keep being ingenious and forgetful

Learn about your own government and what commander in chief means.

Go learn who dictates legal authority over the military in matters of declaring a war, funding a war and legally ending one. A president can broker peace agreements but he’s not the king.

You literally do not understand your own government and this why when Trump does as he pleases people don’t seem to understand what is appropriate and not.

And thinking it is that easy is why you have such shallow views

It literally wasn’t his choice and it was in his hands but alongside so many others. He’s not the king bro you don’t seem to understand that. You also don’t seem to understand he’s not making these missions he has people under him.

Do you have a job? How many times does the boss set an expectation and you or a coworker miss it? You’re being intentionally ignorant, obtuse, and just dishonest.

Most people here are repeating Republican talking points. He’s a warmonger who literally decreased the amount of war and avoided open conflict the best he could? What a terrible warmonger.

You should look up JFK talking to De Gaulle and admitting the CIA is rogue under him. Things will make more sense.

Who is claiming that’s okay though? And why are you acting like such a tool about it? You’re literally treating it like Obama himself targeted kids. 150,000 to 20,000, both sides experience less casualties. That’s a fantastic step up, Obama is correctly leading to a proper solution as best he can. Stop making human suffering a political bludgeoning instrument

The way you paint it, any war makes all combatants bad guys permanently and you’re too immature to spot people trying in a fucked situation… You can believe war is evil and bad and cruel but also be forced to engage in one.

Bush invaded and leveled a country to be unable to hold itself up. Obama chose to try and install support, that’s what neoliberalism does. As much as you wanna believe it, he literally can’t just sign a paper and magically make it all go away. He has to present a solution, criticize it and judge it all you want but calling him a warmonger and being so ignorant about the actual steps taken to reduce suffering is just stupid of you.

150,000 deployed to 20,000. Less casualties on both sides. In a war he didn’t start under a military industry that you’re witnessing the power of in Israel. People think it’s solely Israel holding everyone by the balls, learn about Krupp’s impact on WWI.

Roll my fuckin eyes.

Obama didn’t bomb kids. The military regardless of president has bombed kids. Whole government problem dunno why you point at Obama as the king that’s goofy.

Wasn’t his war. Military industrial complex is huge. it’s very cute you guys think that gets dismantled in a day of something stupid.

The economy was genuinely better though. I can say the economy operated better there rather than here and simultaneously know the economy and system do not service the poor or society. Why can’t you?

So drama and drastic.

Like as a country? Yes. That’s exactly what’s wrong with America and why Obama was unable to get things done as most of this entire comment section believes.

If you’re talking about me, what are you even talking about? Unable to have genuine conversation about history and politics? Not everything is 100 or 0 and the world isn’t black and white, the orphan killing machine will literally never stop running. There will always be awful things you can’t act like a president is going to be the ideal perfect candidate. We have to be able to speak honestly about it and calling Obama a warmonger just really isn’t true.

Literally not. Imagine talking about a topic and your opinion on it forces you to be defending it?

People here are just genuinely incorrect about how he handled the military.

Mindless centrism is realistic

Unfortunately kinda yes. Ever had to make choices for a lot of people?? Usually the middle ground is where you’ll land.

Honestly I don’t agree at all. I think Obama’s greatest criticism is how he handled Russia/Georgia. But again that’s a tough call, you gonna drag America into a second theater of war when everyone is already mad about the first one and calling you a warmonger for literally no reason.

I just don’t think he’s made such awful decisions as you all are pushing.

Literally not talking about them in anyway that designating the difference matters. Clearly speaking of the left leaning folks in America.

Also politics aren’t real. They’re made up. The definition of a liberal has and will continue to change.

I would argue some are. I think the aggression towards Obama from the right has genuinely convinced people of someone who he is not. I’m not saying he’s free from criticism but they are acting like he was really into bombing kids which is a good tag line for criticizing a sitting president but looking back in hindsight he really did not cause as many casualties as is pushed.

He also didn’t increase drone warfare the technology shifted. Under Bush we didn’t have that and what we got instead was a ton of casualties. Obama made the very obviously intelligent choice of keeping his men out of harms way. Why wouldn’t you do that?

Giving billions to the banks, bailouts, etc. that wasn’t fun to do. I’m sure as president deals are made but the economy was shit and not because of him. He managed to recover us from 2008 economic worry and had 8 years of solid economy afterwards.

I’m sorry I see the sentiment of the criticisms but, and this is what I think people fail to really embrace and understand in a realistic actual like this is a real life kind of way, what the fuck else was he gonna do? Get soldiers killed en masse? Let the banking crap sink the country and demolish regular people’s lives?

Nah. Obama was the best we had in my life time and best we had in 70 years. I’d give his presidency a B-. Hindsight is 20/20 everything looks more clear in the rearview but when you’re in it, decisions have to be made and I don’t think he ever made decisions that were selfish or intentionally harmful like many other presidents do all the time

But on the other side of that each time that happens it furthers the power pulling.

FDR whether he knew or not lead to Nixon and Trump. Not saying it’s the wrong choice I’m just saying I personally don’t think it’s the right one.

It’s like a fight. Once someone introduced a gun or knife the situation gets very serious