Star Wars universe does have lasers of all scales and power levels.

Yet literally no one uses them well on a personal scale.

The Jedi (and Sith for that matter) imbue it with a power of magical stone, and then…use it as a saber.

To balance this stupidity, stormtroopers, clones and droids all use slow, non-continuous energy blasters. With actual lasers, they could insta-kill any Jedi, but they cannot, because otherwise the movie wouldn’t exist.

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    Pictured are space-bombers. They drop gravity bombs… in space. Please stop talking about scientific accuracy in Star Wars.

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    I have always wished for a serious grown up version of Star Wars. Like not being afraid to sever limbs like they used to, or worrying about your scoundrels being too scoundrel-y. Also really taking an inventory of everything and seriously thinking about how it would interact.

    Like to your point - no need to toss out the more magical force elements but maybe just tone it down a bit and ground them in reality a little better? Because it’s absolutely ridiculous how they’ve become these invincible laser blocking demigods. They should be afraid to deploy, just like anyone, if there’s going to be shooting. It’s just lazy writing most of the time and it would be wonderful to see what a skilled hand could actually do with it all.

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      All they had to do for the Sequel Trilogy was adapt the Thrawn series.

      Adjust and rewrite parts of it to make more sense with the old cast of actors being older than their characters were in the Thrawn series… and/or use all that fancy de-aging / re-voicing / face transplanting tech they have used all over the place with many of the same actual actors on other projects.

      Its got new and old characters.

      Its got Mara Jade, a new main female character, who is actually compelling and complex and fleshed out.

      It respects the old characters, acknowledges their flaws and highlights their strengths. You actually see them face new struggles and have new failures in the actual temporal continuum of the plot… not as shoehorned momentary flashbacks to explain why someone is a completely different character now.

      Its got more mature and serious themes and character arcs.

      Its got an actually compelling main villain.

      Its got a secret shadow fleet of ships… but with an actually competent explanation for them.

      It got big ass space battles, and personal upfront altercations, its got strategizing and politics and intrigue.

      It even ends on a victorious… but not a ‘final’ victorious note, leaving the gate open for you to really try and do your own thing from then after.

      Its even already been functionally story boarded by being adapted into a comic book series.

      But nope, we instead got a bunch of disrepectful hacks who were convinced they could outdo everything prior, cast it all aside initially, and then started trying to copy parts of it after they realized how badly they’d fucked up.

      Fucking hacks.

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      I mean… they do take pause when a Mandalorian is shooting. They may block lasers but putting a lightsaber in front of a slug 6 inches from your face just turns you into Swiss cheese.

      Also, their flamethrowers. A lot of mandalorian weapons were utilized solely to counter force users.

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      Yeah like force speed. You have that ability, yet you used it only once. Would have been pretty handy like a hundred times in various sticky situations.

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      Agreed. Star Wars was never much my cup of tea - a bit too campy. That changed with Andor and Rogue One. Those are up there with my favorite movies/tv of all time.

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      Yeah, to add on to this:

      At least back in the 90s/00s, the canon explanation from various books and such is roughly…

      The ‘lasers’ are actually coherent ‘bolts’ of highly energetic plasma, ie, gas excited/heated to the point that electrons are breaking out of their atomic orbitals, extremely thermally hot, capable of doing immense burn damage, melting a hole through you or most other armors/materials/alloys.

      The explanation is that ‘laser’ weapons, and ‘turbolaser’ canons… by some arcane process, as the plasma travels through the barrel of the weapon, it is somehow encased in, or enveloped by, or transformed into having a very strong, self contained psuedo-magnetic forcefield, that keeps the plasma from just immediately expanding in all directions upon exiting the barrel, and keeps it vaguely spatially constrained and coherent.

      It is supposed to be a sort of analogy to how rifling in a conventional firearm makes the bullet much more accurate… and it also kind of intuitively thus makes sense that a big, fuck off huge barrel, can throw a larger projectile downrange, and faster.

      Its also sort of how a rail gun or coil gun works in real life, but not really.

      In universe, plasma bolts do not travel at light speed, they also do not travel forever: they dissapate and sort of evaporate or fizzle out after travelling a certain distance, and this generally occurs more quickly from smaller weapons than it does from larger weapons.

      Basically, their ‘coherence field’ is only stable for a short time, sort of like a gel capsule for a drug dissolves in your stomach after a certain amount of time.

      This is again another rough analogy to real world ballistics with solid bullets or shells… irl, longer barrels are able to increase the kinetic emergy imparted to a projectile, thus increasing its muzzle velocity, thus increasing its effective range.

      Ammo is also a thing that exists in a lot of older Star Wars canon. A blaster will eventually run out of the… plasma fuel, which is often contained in essentially a magazine… and technically, all blasters also need either the rough equivalent of a starter engine, or an independent battery/‘ignition’ system to actually do the process of transforming the ‘ammo’ into a plasma bolt, and accelerate it out of the barrel and cohere it into a bolt.

      I also recall Tibanna gas, from Cloud City, being specifically mentioned as a primary component of blaster ammunition in at least one of the Rogue Squadron games, though it apparently gets more complicated with different colored plasma bolts essentially being made of different blends of different kinds of input materials having different properties and only working properly in certain kinds of blasters, again, a sort of rough analogy to different calibers of bullets and barrels and chambers.

      Light sabers follow a similar overall principle of ‘plasma bolt contained by some kind of coherence field’… but they use totally different internals to generate both the plasma and coherence field, and can seemingly just… do this nearly infinitely, never needing to ‘reload’, never running out of energy.

      Those internals?

      Magic (kyber) crystals and an extremely esoteric, basically electronic circuit design.

      This is why so much emphasis is placed on a Jedi constructing their own lightsaber as a fundamental rite of passage:

      Every lightsaber is bespoke, unique, you have to be essentially supernaturally intelligent, ie, sufficiently in tune with the Force, to be able to comprehend how to actually construct one… and indeed, there are at least a few instances or mentions of where someone attempts this, fucks it up, and their malformed lightsaber basically blows up in their face.

      You can also see the ‘coherence’ principle at play as a light saber… well the ‘blade’ grows out of the hilt, as the coherence field expands… but it never disconnects, it never expels the plasma bolt away from the hilt.

      So, if everything, lightsaber ‘blades’ and plasma ‘bolts’ are both encapsulated by some sort of pseudo magnetic coherence field, it makes some amount ofintuitive sense that if you get them close to each other, they will repel, deflect, ricochet.

      … But, this cannot be just the electromagnetic force as we understand it in our world, because… well, that shit doesn’t actually make any sense by our understanding of physics.

      We have no idea how to create a self sustaining magnetic field that can be projected away from the source of what created the field and just… keeps sustaining itself on its own…

      And EM is just + or -, either attactive or repulsive, so we would expect to see say a + bolt and a + lightsaber be capable of deflection… but a + bolt and a - saber, or even a + saber and a - saber… well those should actually be attractive, so you’d end up with a bolt that curves toward a light saber and then combines with it, or even two sabers being drawn toward each other and then merging.

      In conclusion: Star Wars is science fantasy in the sense that it seems to operate under a… not completely alien, but significantly distinct set of basic laws of physics… you’d probably have to be a Jedi or Sith to truly understand how they actually work =P

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        Light sabers follow a similar overall principle of ‘plasma bolt contained by some kind of coherence field’… but they use totally different internals to generate both the plasma and coherence field, and can seemingly just… do this nearly infinitely, never needing to ‘reload’, never running out of energy.

        In the comics taking place tens of thousands of years before the movies the Jedi have to carry large energy cells with them. They are attached with long cables to the hilts.

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          Yep!

          The sort of proto sabers seem to be prior to them figuring kyber crystal magic, iirc, and needing to carry a more crude power/plasma source with them.

          Sort of like a radioman in WW2 had to carry around a whole backpack sized radio, whereas nowadays we have like, a cell/smart phone, or just a proper encrypted handheld radio with way, way superior battery/power system in a more compact package.

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        another note on the light Saber blade: it’s actually a long spinning loop like a narrow ‘0’ or the eye of a needle, which is why it doesn’t disconnect

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          Not quite sure if I am understanding you correctly, but I think you are saying it isn’t like, a flat, edged geometry…

          …its more like a sort of … very angry, ‘fuzzy’, elongated cylinder with a roughly hemispherical ‘endcap’.

          And the sort of… exit point, or emmitting point of the ‘blade’ is… more like an camera aperture or a nozzle.

          But you also say this O, this eye of the needle… is spinning?

          That is a bit of lore I am not familiar with, could you expand on that?

          But yeah, lightsabers work internally differently than say, the Mandalorian Darksaber… which actually is a proper blade, and uses… some other kind of arcane way to generate and sustain itself, I’m not up to snuff on that lore.

          Also just kind of as a general addendum:

          There are various materials in the Star Wars universe that can deflect or totally decohere and disperse the … ‘coherence field’ of plasma bolts / saber blades.

          The Imperial Guards have pikes, staffs that are made of some kind of metal alloy, which can block lightsaber blades, and presumably also deflect blaster bolts.

          They may be made out of Beskar, the same material as Mando’s armor? I am not sure.

          Also, the uh… whatever the Darth Smiley’s helmet is made out of in The Acolyte… while I think that show is basically a complete mess both as a show and in lore terms… that material/alloy, cortosis, is actually present in a good deal of the older canon, and it seems to have some kind of ability to nullify, extinguish, not just repel, the ‘coherence field’ of most other ‘plasma’ based weapons.

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            "Energy constantly flows through the crystal. You're not fighting with a simple blade as much as you are directing a current of power." ―Sabine Wren and Kanan Jarrus on the Darksaber, Rebels: s3e15 Trials of the Dark Saber
            

            I’m sure there are other references, too, but for it to be a power current it needs to flow to and from a terminus. See also the Tagge Protoblade in which the energy circles around a metal core (internally referred to as the corn dog lightsaber) instead of being a sword

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              I get that, sort of, that… some kind of supernatural/extradimensional energy is essentially drawn into, and then focused by the kyber crystals and the modulation systems of a light saber…

              I just had not heard that they involved a mechanically spinning component.

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    The OG trilogy was an interesting-enough drama with a vibrant setting, made groundbreaking by their special effects. Everything else in the franchise was made to sell toys, with maybe one or two exceptions. It’s not supposed to be taken seriously like that, I think…

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      We don’t need to split hairs - ‘sci-fi fantasy’ or ‘science fantasy’ is a real genre and common enough term.

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      You can’t stress that enough. I love sci-fi, but I never really fancied Star Wars.

      Now, as a dad, I rewatch the movies and replay scenes with my son, and the similarity with fantasy action movies strikes me. For example, the beautiful display of alien species and habitats.

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          You’re right, though the melodrama and swashbuckling of Space Opera definitely lend themselves more towards the soft sci-fi/sci-fantasy end of the spectrum. Sort of, “if the characters and plots don’t need to bear much relation to the real world, why should the setting?”

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      Laser swords and biological powers beyond our current grasp of the science behind them define it as science fiction.

      I get it’s the quirky pickme trend to argue over this and I agree about the fantasy elements but don’t be the ‘actually’ guy in the room.

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        Not really, in LoTr, they have a magical sword that shines around orcs, another one that can stop a ghost sword, and there are being with biological powers beyond the grasp of our understanding.

        I think you are confusing setting with genre. By your logic the star wars and star trek porn parodies are also sci-fi and not porn.

        Sci-fi is only sci-fi if science plays an integral role in the story, eg. Expanse, Stargate (shows), Star trek. But these are all arguably in space, so I get your confusion, that’s the setting, shows like Black Mirror and For all mankind are also sci-fi and those are present day things.

        Well actually For all mankind plays out in an alternate past where the space race continues (though I guess this is also technically in space).

        Black mirror explores humanity through the lense of abusing technological/scientific inventions.

        So those are science based fictions, sci-fi.

        Star Wars is space fantasy, arguably if we live in an alternate universe and the original trilogy is released in the late 2000s and 2010s they could be dubbed as YA. Random teenager protagonist finds out they are indeed special and helps to overthrow an opressive regime, like Divergent, Hunger games, Maze runner