“Feel” nice trick to make it sound like they are spoiled and not just doing basic math to figure out that everything is expensive.
THE RENT
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The true checkmate on our society.
Trying to find a place to live where the rent won’t take over 50% of my income. I work full time teaching disabled children, and after successfully negotiating for a raise, I make over $10 more per hour than my state’s minimum wage.
Yet for some reason, everyone takes issue when I say I’m ready to just move into my car. I’ve lived in a vehicle before, it’s not fun or easy, but it’s a roof I already own, and from the rent prices I see, that’s the best chance I’ve got to be guaranteed shelter.
The other way to read this data is that 75% (a sizable majority) of people feel they can be comfortable on less than $150k. I also suspect this strongly correlates to location. Someone living in Washington, DC is going to need a lot more to feel comfortable than someone living in Bumblefuck, MO.
Half of California:
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Half by land, much more by population. California’s basic cost of living is insane. $150k would be “barely scraping by in a studio apartment” within 100 miles of any major city.
With the exception of places like Anzo Borrego, but there’s a reason for that. Horrible summers and winters.
I just need a dwelling and a guarantee of food to live comfortably. If I didn’t have to pay for that I wouldn’t need $150k/year. 🤷♂️
You forgot healthcare!
I don’t nees to make more, everything else needs to cost less. 😠
My wife and I make about $100k/yr combined. I can absolutely confirm that 50% more money will go directly into making our lives more comfortable.
I got lucky enough to live on benefits, a bit less than $15,000 annually. While I don’t have to pay for housing, things like food, data, and car take up a good chunk of that money. Up until about 2 years ago, I was also able to regularly set aside about $300 a month for an ABLE account if I exercised restraint.
The economy continues to worsen, so I can’t save money anymore. Plus, getting the gear and training for joining a militia takes a fair bit of coin. I am expecting the USA we knew to dissolve someday, and hopefully can support my state with my body if conflict breaks out. Don’t really have anything else to offer society.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
I mean yeah. I make above that and it feels genuinely hard to keep up with the costs of living middle class in California.
This title is so dumb. Just say 26% of Americans.
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When I was single I was comfortable with £11k which is adjusted for inflation from 2016. Maybe some of you are miserable because you think you need expensive things to be happy.
There are a few expensive things I find necessary in the modern world. Those being food and a roof over my head. If you have suggestions for going without either of those, I’m all ears. Otherwise, fuck off with that nonsense.
Sure rent/mortgages are expensive, but not 150k expensive. Food costs fuck all in comparison to rent it may as well be a rounding error.
Clearly you haven’t lived in any state that isn’t in fuck all Wyoming.
Shits expensive as hell
My use of £ might be a hint to where I live. Housing costs like 20x the amount I spend on food.
sometimes eggs cost $1 each where i live
Then I wouldn’t buy eggs
Or maybe you lived in an environment where some of those expenses were socialized via a broad social net - or you have connections via friends and family that you’ve underestimated the value of (a friend with a truck is cheaper to buy lunch for than renting movers). If I had reliable access to food shelter transportation and information at negligible costs (assuming ~$800/month constitutes low cost rent), I can totally imagine living within a budget of $15k/year (covering pounds to USD).
However, I used to live in Phoenix but moved due to the rental crisis. Simple clean 1 bedroom apartments are going for $1600/month, which blows your budget in rent alone. (The lowest rate I could find was $750/month, but you had to be officially poor (“restricted income”) to qualify).
But before I condemn you in assumptions, maybe I’m wrong - would you be willing to break down your living expenses for those who would follow in your path?
Didn’t even have friends when I moved, got a bedroom in a shared house. £425 and today with inflation you can find similar for £500-600 a month across most of the UK outside of cities anyway. That is bills included.
So the only essential spending left really is food. Currently that costs me about £60/month from Aldi but I am earning more now. If I had to cut back I don’t know exactly how much I could reduce it to. £30-50 would be pretty easy to cut back to by cutting out meat and cheese while £10 would be high carb poverty food and possibly scurvy.
The rest I saved or spent on fun things. Life was pretty good as I made friends with some of the other guys living there. Moving house I did with a bag and a few bin liners, I barely owned anything in the first place so I just carried stuff and took a train.
All said, respectable - “live with almost no property at the cheapest rate available” is not terribly bad advice. But again, I think even following that advise would be a higher cost for lots of people in many places in the world.
But is that really the world we want to build? “Okay everyone, aim for the bare minimum?” I know I’ve been lucky in my life and haven’t had to struggle often - but I don’t think it’s unfair to assume that everyone should be able to enjoy luxuries from time to time.
Nothing wrong with aiming for more but if you think you need 150k to be comfortable I think it says more about you.
Unless you we’re born with an expensive physical or mental anomaly in a county that has poor healthcare support?
Or you can’t be comfortable with the unhoused in your city and you build, run, and operate a private halfway shelter?
Okay - okay - I’ll cede. I think were both being hyperbolic. I’m genuinely not convinced that a particular income level makes you a monster, but I can grant that it is a yellow/red flag.
It’s funny people are so anti-consumerist then downvote comments like this… hypocrites
When I lived in the US my biggest expenses were housing, healthcare and taxes. None of them were things I could reduce.
Only housing here as I live in the UK, healthcare is free. Tax exists but I earnt so little at the time I barely paid any.
Would love some proper anti-consumerism
Yeah, sounds about right if you want to be able to be comfortable at home and have money for maybe a modest vacation once a year.
I make way less, but it would be nice to be able to afford to travel at least once a year. Not worry about car repairs setting me back etc etc.
Don’t forget any shot at a reasonable retirement too
I’m planning to die to reduce my spend.
That is, most literally, my plan. Not going to suicide, but either the environment or shit politics will take me out before I’m too elderly.
And I’m not being snarky. No healthcare and seeing the ecosystem collapse has done me in. And for the young, you haven’t seen the shit I’ve seen. Our systems are racing towards a cliff. You’d be even madder if you had lived my young life and seen where we’re at now.
I’m either going to die in the water riots or I’ll be shot dead by a Google Amazon compliance assistance team for using an adblocker.
Who cares what people “feel”? It has nothing to do with “feelings”. Just calculate how much it actually costs to live comfortably, and you’ll find that $150k works.
You can’t define “comfortably” without feeling.
You can, though. At least to the extent of saying that “comfortable” means that all your basic needs are met, and you have money left over for more than that. How much more, is a matter of preference…but as long as that basic minimum is met, the rest is just different degrees of comfort.
Read the article. It tells you the numbers, and has an alternative definition of “comfortable”: financially secure.
Make sure to read before telling people what’s meant.
Well, then I can say that $40k is definitely “comfortable.” That’s $1500 rent, $300/month food, another $200 gas/elec/internet, a thousand left over for odds & ends and another couple hundred saved.
Pretty much my budget in a MCOL major metro.
What about taxes? Health Insurance? Car insurance or transportation budget. You can live comfortably on $10 a day for food?? $3.30 a meal? That eats up the rest of that $1300 a month and leaves nothing for entertainment, savings, gifts or dating. Nothing left for meeting that health insurance deductible so you still can’t go to the doctor. Survivable? Absolutely! Doesn’t sound comfortable to me though.
Don’t really have taxes at that income level. In the US, ACA pays full insurancne premium (currently, that will change if the billionaire tax cut passes), and ‘wellness checkups’ are $0 out-of-pocket by law. Most of my dinner recipes are around $2.50/serving at 900 calories. I’m able to walk most places I go, but car insurance is $100/month. Don’t feel like dating, raising kids, or making big vacations. I average something around $7-800/month on ‘entertainment’ like video games & hobby materials, which leaves $300-400 savings. $350/month is 10%, which is around 2x the US average savings rate (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PSAVERT). Savings for emergencies like insurance deductible and for retirement.
But that’s my point: my housing probably isn’t everyone’s idea of ‘comfortable,’ my diet is pretty carb-heavy and probably not everyone’s idea of ‘comfortable.’ I like it, though. It feels comfortable to me; I don’t consciously restrict any of my spending - all the numbers I’ve given you are post hoc analysis. I’ve been doing it for a decade.
I don’t dispute people feeling like they need $150k to live comfortably. Lots of people want kids. Lots of people want to take a nice vacation time-to-time. There’s a massive propaganda machine out there trying to convince everyone that they need just a little more than they have right now to feel good about themselves, and I believe that propaganda starts wearing thin by the time you get to $150k, $200k. They’ve got to live their life; I can only live mine.
You don’t have kids? Plan to retire? Have an emergency savings amount? No credit card debt? Car loans? Student loans?
I probably should have been more clear when I said “minimum basic requirements”. I wasn’t talking “survival”…I was talking about “comfort”. The point at which you are no longer living paycheck-to-paycheck.
I was also assuming household income…not individual…so I should have been more specific there, as well.
I make about twice what you calculated, and my bank account is consistently at zero after all my household expenses are covered. That’s for my family…not just me. I have no emergency savings, which means if anything in my life breaks down, I go into debt just to pay for repairs…and it takes months to finish paying it off. That’s not “comfortable”. It’s eternally stressful, since emergencies like that usually come up more often than I can pay off the last one.
My point, though, was that it’s all quantifiable. Even the differences between individual circumstances can be calculated. Everyone can look at their life and “know” the number that would get them into that “comfort zone”.
That’s what I said: “Comfortable” depends on feelings. Once you know what feels comfortable, then you can quantify.
Feelings are important because without them, there would be a concrete number of dollars at which a person starves to death. One more dollar and they live. Once we know that number, the right wing will begin pushing everyone towards it.
Feelings are important because I want to enjoy a twinkie every now and then. I want to be able to afford a day off for mental health, or a friend’s birthday. There should be healthy ambiguity in the number of dollars it costs to live because without it there’s just near-starvation.
Wanting a Twinkie here and there and a new iPad/car every year is very different. What you want is found pretty much anywhere that isn’t touched by imperialism and war in general, lol. But maybe the average American can’t be happy and comfortable without many expensive toys? Or life is just expensive AF invariably there, idk.
The article mentions “living comfortable” as “financially secure”. Financial security generally means having enough money to comfortably cover your current living expenses and future financial needs, without undue worry about money.
Mmm. I guess academic and medical debt are scary by themselves, and that’s a very American experience I completely forgot about…
