And his mom is a police officer.
And he used one of her unsecured guns.
In a system where we want to discourage this we need to hold the parents accountable.
I think a life sentence for each life her son took is fair, for her and her son.
irresponsible gun owning parents, who literally put firearms into the hands of their homicidal children, need to be held accountable for these tragedies.
dozens of mass shootings in recent years, especially school shootings, were absolutely preventable. if only these fucking lazy stupid ass adults would stop fetishizing guns for 2 seconds, long enough to store their weapons securely like a sane responsible person. or they could, idk, maybe steer their mentally disturbed crotch goblin towards a more pro-social, harmless activity?
firearm ownership is a responsibility too few take seriously.
Maybe just less guns?
No. We’ve been having too many random fires lately. The obvious answer is MORE FLAMETHROWERS! Yeah! That’ll fix all the fires!
Fight fire with fire! That’ll surely work.
This is kind of a bad example because, rhetoric aside, in various situations you can fight fire with fire and in fact it’s the best way to do it. I.e. controlled burns of areas subject to wildfires are used to lessen the amount of tinder lying around the place that could later go up in an uncontrolled manner. You can also put out an oil well fire by blowing the flame out with dynamite.
So to stretch the analogy further, maybe we ought to start focusing on what (who) ought to be controlled burned.
Very good points. I didn’t know about the oil dynamite thing. Interesting. My previous comment was also slightly sarcastic. Just going along with the post I was responding to haha.
That last sentence though, agreed. (I’m also not an American, so there’s less guns where I’m from).
The analogy of controllably burning the right people seems an effective way to restore the democratic order (although it could also be used to tighten the fascist grip I guess).
Maybe more dynamite actually is the way. Ukraine uses IEDs in mailboxes to take down important people in Moscow for example.
Not a fan of Luigi’s violent means, but maybe we (or actually they since I’m also not American) have start fighting fire with fire.
The NRA has entered the chat.
Why not life sentences for grand parents too? Uncles and aunts? Doctors, teachers…
If a gun owner’s gun is used in a murder, the owner should be charged with second-degree murder, full stop. When you own a gun, it is your responsibility to keep and secure it properly. I don’t care if it’s stolen or whatever, that gun is ultimately the responsibility of the owner. That’s the social contract when acquiring a device whose sole purpose is to kill.
I think stolen is too far as long as the gun owner acts responsibly following the theft and reports it to the police but otherwise, I completely agree. Owning a gun should come with personal accountability for that gun.
If the gun owner did not properly secure the weapon, and this led to theft, they should definitively be held responsible. In some areas in the US, when you steal a car, you get a free firearms collection with it.
Guy I grew up with had his truck broken into outside a hotel a couple years ago. They stole a bunch of his tools from the cab and tool box in the bed but left a pistol that was sitting on his passenger seat, another one that was sitting on the case of his diagnostics tool that was sitting on top of his center console, which they stole, along with the ammo and a rifle he had in the toolbox in the bed of his truck. I agree storing shit like that is irresponsible and should also be met with consequences, although some establishments you can’t take a gun into so having it cleared and in a locked gun case in the vehicle I believe to be a reasonable measure. Only reason I can imagine they left all his guns and ammo behind is that there must be more significant charges and/or investigative resources that go into a situation where firearms are involved where he lives.
In my country, burglers usually avoid stealing weapons. If you break in and steal some money or jewelry, your case comes into the pile with the others. If you steal firearms on top of it, your case is put on the top of the stack with a bunch more people assigned to it.
But your case just proves it: American gun owners are rather neglient when it comes to securing their weapons. Most likely because the both the training and requirements as well as the question on responsibility is basically just not there.
In some countries, if you own a firearm and it gets stolen or lost, or someone else takes it, you simply lose your licence or ownership permit.
I’m sorry context is such an issue for you
It must be hard
I don’t even check anymore.
It’s entirely clear to me why these happen too.
Once you get into the headspace of a MAGA disillusionment is inevitable. In fact, i probably went through it and called it my fuck up phase.
But you know what. It takes real energy to hold up that reality. It’s also trying to starve you out, denying you any sound advise from anyone ever, treatments for serious mental illness, and ever increasing weight of more and more responsibilities: career, student loan debt, children, mortgage, personal health. It’s not even trying to break you, it wants to crush you. And if you’re losing at capitalism you’re going to spin out.
This is a weird way for me to find out about another shooting
It wasn’t as bad as some (2 dead, 6 injured).
He originally started with a shotgun but it jammed without firing a shot. He grabbed a pistol from his vehicle and fired into the bystanders.
Police were on scene quickly (FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars) and shot and wounded the shooter.
That pistol he grabbed from the vehicle…
…was his Mom’s old service pistol.
His Mom was a school resource officer and later deputized into the Leon County Sheriffs.
https://www.newsweek.com/fsu-shooter-leon-county-deputy-phoenix-jessica-ikner-2061301
In a news conference hours after the first reports of the active shooting were announced, Leon County Sheriff Walt McNeil identified the suspect.
“The shooter is 20-year-old Phoenix Ikner … and he is the son of a Leon County sheriff’s deputy,” McNeil said.
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According to Revell during the news conference, Jessica Ikner [the shooter’s mother] is a school resource officer in Leon County. The county sheriff’s office website lists her as a “middle schools deputy.”
Deputy Ikner was awarded law enforcement employee of the month in March 2024, the sheriff’s office posted on Facebook.
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[The Shooter] was “a long-standing member” of the Leon County Sheriff’s Office Youth Advisory Council, McNeil said during the news conference.
“He has been steep in the Leon County Sheriff’s Office Family,” McNeil said, adding that it is “not a surprise” that Ikner had access to weapons.
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(apologies for possibly paywalled link, try internet archive if its blocked for you)
Phoenix Ikner, a 20-year-old son of a sheriff’s deputy whom police accuse of using his mother’s gun, is in police custody after being identified as a suspect in a shooting on Florida State University’s campus Thursday, which killed two people and injured at least six others.
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Jessica Ikner, a beloved Raa Middle School student resource deputy, was the 2023 law enforcement officer of the year with the Leon County Sheriff’s Office.
She also practiced shooting with her stepson, Phoenix, at a firing range, but “not in an official capacity,” according to LCSO.
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Yeah so this guy was trained to shoot by his armed-with-a-firearm, middle school guard / county deputy mom, and he then took his mom’s service pistol to shoot up his own school/uni.
I can’t find more details on the shotgun, but it could also be the case that that is or was a service weapon as well… but that is barely informed speculation on my part, I just know that a lot of US cops also have a shotgun in their cruiser.
The headline is using ‘was’ as a weasel word.
They know it’ll be click bait because it will be read as:
“The weapon used is a weapon that is the service weapon of a deputy”, and not:
“At one point, in the past, the weapon used was a service weapon but isn’t any longer”.
Him using a service weapon implies that there was a lapse of security on his mother’s part. That’s why it’s being mentioned in the way that it is because, if it were true, it would be outrageous.
The fact that an adult Florida man was able to access privately owned firearms isn’t news. But making it seem scandalous by implying that he killed people with a weapon issued as the service weapon of an active duty cop gets clicks.
The shotgun story is based on first hand accounts that I’ve heard from the FSU students that I work with. I’m obviously just a random Internet person, so don’t believe it until you see other sources.
Oh, what a fucked up world we live in that we see a school shooting as “not so bad, all things considered”…
It’s only “not so bad” in America.
‘No Way to Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
There is a really fucked up silver lining to this which is every nation not the USA can point to the USA whenever someone wants to loosen gun regulations. In a twisted way the US might be helping other nations by being such a “good” (bad) example.
Rest of the world also has a right-wing problem. It’s seeping into our culture and everyday life because they have found out how to sell fascism to the everyday, uneducated moron. Sadly, that’s half the world.
Absolutely! I’m not in Germany but I hope they can use the US as an example of what not to do and absolutely destroy the AfD before it reaches critical mass.
Politicians around the word: we need to ban guns and assault rifles.
US policy makers: we need to tell the good guys they need to
buycarry a gun.Also US policy makers: We refuse to do anything about the low wages, crushing debt, inaccessible health care (physical and mental), and other problems I can’t even think of right now.
Plenty of countries have lots of guns. Virtually none of them have any significant number of mass terror shootings, even the ones with otherwise high rates of gun violence.
America is built different.
The rethoric of the people in power seems different, but I don"t know enough of other countries with lots of guns.
Local law enforcement was having a training session very close by. That and the fact the shooter was the son of a Sherrif deputy are the reasons you could hear them blowing themselves over their fast response the whole time. Not that the fucker was putting up all the red flags for fucking years while being heavily involved in local law enforcement and constantly around guns.
Not that the fucker was putting up all the red flags for fucking years while being heavily involved in local law enforcement and constantly around guns.
There is a reason DeSantis & the fascists in the Florida legislature are about to get rid of the red flag laws.
If that happened in my country it would be huge news and all anyone in the country would talk about for weeks.
This is America. Don’t catch you slippin’.
It would appear that we have standardized school shootings here in the States.
This one wasn’t that bad. Remember that other one?
You going to catch The Game later?
FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars
Wait what the fuck?
I’ve seen a full on homeless man, with dreadlocks and scruffy blanket (urban Ghillie suit) sitting outside of a Waffle House. The local clubs were letting out and there were gunshots in the parking lot.
Dude stood up and radioed in shots fired and pulled an AR from the bag he was sitting on.
Tons of unmarked cars around campus with lights mounted in the grill and illegally tinted windows.
It’s a heavy security presence that you wouldn’t notice unless you were around it a lot.
We really are a police state.
Thoughts and prayers
Definitely not my first time finding out this way, which is even weirder
Weird how that keeps happening.
I want to stress that it has absolutely nothing, I repeat, nothing at all to do with gun “culture” and easy access to guns.
Nothing at all. Promise!
/s
Unfortunately I think it runs deeper than guns being around. As people point out, nearly every house in Switzerland has a gun, but they have little gun violence.
Though you’re right that America’s loose gun culture makes the underlying problem ten times worse.
nearly every house in Switzerland has a gun, but they have little gun violence.
Totally different situation because most of these guns are from reservists in the army which are stored without ammo. So they are literally unusable unless you happen to get ammo for it.
And they are held responsible for the weapon. And they leave it in a secure storage until they need it for training or to defend the country.
Right, that’s one reason why it’s different.
Yes culture is a big part I think too, and the availability, can you just go up to a stand at a gun expo and buy a gun in Switzerland? I don’t think so right?
No. That gun is government issued, and you are responsible for its secure storage. It it not for playing around, and you don’t get any ammo with it. The ammo will be distributed in case the country needs to be defended.
That makes the whole idea that “there are lots of guns in Switzerland, but no shootings” worthless if you can’t buy bullets.
“Nothing we can do about it, says the only nation in the world where this happens regularly”
The Onion should copy the White House and just start scribbling through the mass shooting article headline they repost each time with red crayon.
the word is ‘terrorist’
Um, actually, the tweet clearly says “Florida State University” not “Tesla Cybertruck” so no this wasn’t actually an act of terrorism, it was just a peaceful protest instead
you mean ‘troubled young man’ ? /sarc
“He’s just a bad apple”
“Lone wolf”
“Let’s talk about mental health”
“Okay, what can we do for mental health?”
“Nothing or genocide/restablish the patriarchy, fuck you lib”
“We need Jesus in schools!”
No joke, I’ve heard people say that exact thing in response. That taking God out of schools is what started all this, so if there was more prayer in school, we wouldn’t have shootings.
Yeah, because nobody does mass shootings in religious places.
The poor kid was clearly driven insane by the wokeness surrounding them. Better ban pronouns.
Yep. I bet the poor man once saw a trans person when using a public bathroom and was TRAUMATISED
Unironically how millions of people in America see the world.
“He should have gotten a job with health insurance so he can afford therapy!”
Bad apple from the 250-year-old Southern Orchard.
I was recently thinking it’s says a lot about a culture, where kids shoot up schools regularly, but immigrants getting a terrible treatment never seem to shoot up an ICE office or other government building.
I think both are part of the same culture to be honest, they are just in very different positions both pushed to an extreme situation (the kids shooting up schools and the government officials threating immigrants like crap). Personally I believe you get what you give and this is the result of a society that is getting what it has been giving (or not giving, really). Really sad situation where a lot of people get way less than they deserve (the parents of the killed kids, the children of the deported families etc)
People in US culture want to think this is a product of white christian men getting hurt and isolated to the point that the poor innocent souls wander into committing a school shooting.
The negative mental health is only part of the equation and isn’t even critical to it, what IS critical is teaching christian white men that they have the inherent right given who they are to commit violence and nobody else does.
This is why you see that “incongruity”.
Curious that this is still happening even though Musk has killed the woke mind virus and these guys have won forever.
They were saying he was an illegal all over MAGAtard social media. Until the facts came out. Then they started deleting in mass to cover up their lies.
“En masse”.
Which is French for in mass.
Le niceeeeee
Unfortunately, you’ve misunderstood the nuanced meaning that the phrase “en masse” has acquired in the English language:
Cambridge Dictionary: En Masse
However, you can take comfort in knowing that you are not alone in this misunderstanding:
The truth was busy putting it’s shoes on.
Not gonna lie I thought your username was Copaganda at first.
No, I do not have dyslexia lol
I like that. I’m def going to use it.
Gonna gloss over this one, just another day in paradise
I was gonna say don’t you guys have like 1-2 mass shootings a day in the states? Not trying to be facetious here, genuinely asking. Because if it was like that in my country I’d have to become numb about it or go insane.
Well we don’t know because the republiQan party has maintained for a long time that the government explicitly not track them.
Who knows why? It’s a mystery!
I don’t think it’s quite 1-2/day. But for a tiny bit of context there was one at a high school in Dallas either yesterday or the day before.
Mass shootings yes, school shootings specifically no.
"There have been more than 488 mass shootings across the US so far in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places.
For each of the last four years there have been more than 600 mass shootings - almost two a day on average. "
The definition for a mass shooting is an “incident in which four or more people were killed or injured”.
I stand corrected!
With about 600 events to be called mass shootings a year, 1-2 a day is correct.
Not like this, where random people are targeted by someone lashing out indiscriminately. Most of the statistics on mass shootings are gang related. These ones hit a little different so they are much bigger stories.
I am absolutely numb to the shootings to a degree The amount of gun crime in America you would think we should all personally know someone who has been shot at before.
Yes, but you also can’t compare Netherlands to the USA apples to apples. You could maybe compare 2 New Jersey’s to the Netherlands in terms of density and size, and yeah Netherlands would easily win, but I guess I’m just trying to say that the USA is closer a group of countries in a continent, than a bunch of states in a country.
What a pile of bullshit.
Add up mass shootings in all of Europe then. Guess what? The numbers will still pale in comparison.
Yeah, I agree. Compare Europe to the US, that makes sense. Europe wins hands down.
Netherlands also wins hands down, but it’s not a fair comparison to make.
I’m in Canada. I’m comparing green apples to red apples.
I’ll trade you some rotten red apples for one drop of syrup.
Suc
He was one of the “homegrowns”. Any bets on him going to CECOT?
Nah, he’ll become a brownshirt.
Agreed they’ll have him pardoned, kidnapping people and dragging them into unmarked cars as soon as possible
You mean silver shirt?
With a golden Trump pin
Young white men are being indoctrinated with 24/7 propaganda telling them they are the real victims
What/Where is this propaganda?
Check Adolescence https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/adolescence for a drama on the topic.
Warning: VERY dramatic.
Social media, podcasts and media
I’m sorry, I try to keep my media intake low, but what is being said that makes these white men feel like victims? Or, portraying them as the victim?
Are you really fully unaware of incels, the manosphere, and the alt-right pipeline? This shit is all over social media.
There’s a strong encouragement for men to fall into this “redpill” philosophy that casts everyone who doesn’t look like them, especially anyone who ends up on the less-privileged end of any measure of intersectional privilege, as an aggressor attempting to steal their place in society and “replace” them.
Have you heard anyone complaining about how you can’t make jokes anymore or can’t compliment women anymore? They’re echoing a hallucination of white male oppression by queer feminist socialists. In response they elected Trump and spend their days rumbling around in their massive coal-rolling pickup trucks that have never seen a speck of dirt or a heavier load than a few groceries or maybe a couch.
I see you’ve never heard of Fox News.
What if one doesn’t watch fox news?
“Homegrown criminal” off to El Salvador with you! Right Donny? Right?!
Can’t wait to hear them say “well he donated $5 to the democratic party 10 eyars ago”
They’re asking if he was on anti-depressants. Everyone else is a murderer, terrorist, what have you. When it’s one of theirs? Just a misguided kid on SSRIs.
Contrast with keying a car and being labeled a terrorist. By scratching a cybertruck, you become an enemy of the state—something a republican school shooter could never dream of.
Or they find a post where he said something nice about Bernie Sanders.
He once made a tweet that vaguely criticised a Conservative figure. wOkE aGeNdA KiLLs AgAIn
almost like the groups mentioned are scarecrows for their rhetoric 🤔
