Work from home, buy less stuff, eat less meat, and most importantly throw all billionaires feet first into a wood chipper.
The problem is real. the past few years it’s been raining as much as snowing during polar night in northern Norway.
There was the theory I read last year about billionaires not giving a shit that the world is getting worse because they were building bunkers and yachts and hoarding resources.
Knowing what I know about religious folks who also actively push for the end of the world to fight with angels or some shit, it checks out.
1 billion people doing a major life change would move the needle in fixing the world. But you can also get the same results with a few billionaires.
Sure but walking home is gonna do jack shit, we gotta focus on the wood chipper part
Work from home. You know, naked from the waist down during zoom meetings, etc.
When it’ll be too bad they’ll say something like: “you mean poors! YOU have destroyed climate, so NOW we do not allow you do own anything and we’ll monitor and restrict your use of everything to make sure you live in misery and stay unimpactful, while we can chill on our yachts and SAVE the WORLD. Be THANKFUL to us, the world would BURN without our action.”
The line can’t go down, and if climate itself dare to stop the growth, they better stop climate change.
The problem is that ordinary people can only do so much to prevent climate change, any real impact can only come from above, by goverment regulations and the ultra rich following those regulations and doing their part, unfortunately the filthy rich control the government and they would rather take 16 min flights in their private jets, the planet be damned
The problem is deeper: I doubt any single government can stop the climate change, and any international agreements are doomed to fail because someone would say they are getting the short end of the stick with green stuff and nothing in return. Plus there would be no accountability for not meeting the targets.
The rich decided they will just relocate to cooler zones and leave climate refugees to die. That is why the US is trying to take Greenland and co-opt Canada. Also why border security is getting so much attention. Climate refugees will be a major issue in the future between rising seas and unlivable heat zones.
“Global warming” was always a weak formulation of the problem, and “climate change” is even weaker. I prefer “Anthropogenic runaway global heating” which has the handy acronym ARGH.
In german the term “climate catastrophe” (Klimakatastrophe) is used more and more often.
I like it when people use ecocide. Like ecological murder, destruction.
Words are important!
Good word, but needs more connotation of “suicide” as well.
“ignore it until you can’t anymore”
Lol. A few years ago we watched conservatives ignore COVID until they were literally dead.
So they ignored it until they couldn’t anymore.
No, brother. The dead ignore everything. Not even the death of our sun will wake them.
Ignoring something requires intent.
Does a mountain ignoring a man mean that the mountain has the capacity to take notice?
Ignorance is simply entropy by another name. Information is energy, and ignorance is the absence.
Definition of ignore: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally.
A mountain doesn’t ignore anything because it doesn’t have the capacity to be aware of anything to then choose to ignore it.
How do you know? Have you asked the mountain?
Is this a Game Of Thrones quote?
Not that I know of.
Or it at least requires awareness
The harrowing thing for me about “Don’t Look Up”, was that you couldn’t tell if it was about climate change, or Covid, or basically any other far-right political denialism.
I assumed it was covid at first, but then I realised how long it takes to make a movie and it came out too soon… It was just that accurate.
Funny how a lot of criticism was about how it was “too on the nose”, but really, it still seems to have gone over people’s heads
The ending is what really got me.
They all just sat down and kept trying to live life the way they always had, like going back and making everything the way it was just for a little while was all they could do in the face of obliteration.
I don’t know about anyone else, but the way that scene is drawn out, as the viewer, I was just expecting some deus ex machina shit to happen, like a volcano would divert the shockwave, or they would survive under the rubble, or the whole thing was a fever dream… And they all just get obliterated by the disaster they all knew was coming and no longer preventable. It’s how I feel living in a house with AC, and having two cars in the driveway. I’m contributing to the climate crisis, but as an individual, I have zero impact in what is happening. The people with the power to cut back and actually make an impact on the climate won’t, because they only have that power though greed above everything else.
Anyway, sorry if you’re depressed after reading it. When we hit +1.5C, all the cool people can come over to my house for a nice dinner before the food supply collapses and the famine sets in.
Yea, it’s the ending line
“We had it good”
that really got me. The resignation that there’s just things out of your control even if you go down fighting.
If that’s your attitude, why are you waiting until later to open your home, share meals, or lend your car to people?
Theft, money, insurance.
I wanna change the world, but I still have to live in it first.
I don’t get that criticism. Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful. I mean look at Bong Joon-Ho’s movies. They are all extremely on the nose. It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful
Right, but it can also be obnoxious to beat over the head with the same concept over and over. ]
It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
I don’t know why you ascribe smugness to it, someone that watches movies for a living is obviously gonna prefer films that don’t waste time telling the audience something more than necessary.
Since the audience seems to miss the same point over and over again, it might be less than necessary
Or they might be the wrong audience, a little of column A and B. Of course the arts are about communication, which requires effort on both parties, so each side bears some of the blame. But “we need to create something so obvious that nobody will miss it” just ends up producing people who are more oblivious. The computer simplification trends of the 2000s and 2010s resulted in a generation that knows even less about technology.
More horror than dark comedy, hard to laugh after watching it. Such utter helplessness after all other attempts to stop extinction from happening fail.
Makes you wish you first have to raise a revolution – deal with those elites awash in absolute power and then get rid of them from ever ruling – before taking on the task of combating the actual horror about to happen. But right now and what is infuriating is that those bastards in power are trying to squelch the voices rising up to pull them down.
I was sure that would decimate their voter base, between those who died and those who were left to see the fall out.
Let’s not forget they were all, and still are, shitting their organs out on horse dewormer
Nah but we’re getting rid of the NASA satellites that monitor this so we won’t see climate change anymore
“If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Trump asserted.
He’s so smart
I’m surprised there has been so little ecoterrorism in response to climate change.
I was expecting some kind of analog to the terrorist groups of the 70s in Europe for sure. But all the violence is coming from the other side.
Even though I understood what you meant and think you mean well, I have to say that I hate this word. Terrorism refer to “mass killing innocent civilians” to terrorise everyone. Those referred to by that word are not killing anyone, they are merely destroying inanimate objects or blocking roads… Nobody is terrorised by them, nobody fear for their life after their actions. We should call them “ecoactivists”, or something like that.
Have you read The Ministry for the Future? Pretty much that plot line. People just get fed up and take it into their own hands. I liked it.
Just north of Seattle yesterday I was in my living room and the thermostat was 81 degrees. I was dying. I thought for a sec…if this gets to 100 we’re just going to cook. But then I realized its still Fahrenheit. But wow! 50C is just such a crazy temp to even try staying alive in. That’s fly away weather right there.
I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don’t care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
“The Earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses.”
~Utah Phillips
Inb4 pedant quibbles that “the planet itself is not dying.” Yeah, but we and our fellow creatures are. It should be understood that is what Mr. Phillips meant.
The ruling class is feeding us all into a planetary autoclave, just so they can hoard more wealth. And they KNOW it.
I think we also should consider the machine of civilization can’t be stopped once started. Steering it is a monumental effort. My best guess is they don’t care, or simply can’t alter the course we are on.
We are absolutely fucked.
Oh, it’s worse than that. We may have fucked the planet and all life on it.
Anything that is in motion - like the climate - has an “inertia”.
In past warming events, the planetary ecosystem was able to migrate across thousands of kilometers to provide “resistance” to that inertia, because said climate changes were happening across tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years.
Our current changes are happening in 0.01% of the time.
That means it has massive inertia, and there is far too little time for carbon-sequestering ecosystems to migrate in order to survive. That even if we stop pumping out CO2e - and no, our output is still accelerating - the feedback loops that are kicking off across the planet will push us into +12-16℃ of warming without any more input from us.
You know what happens at +12-16℃ of warming? A Venus Scenario.
And we are now discovering credible evidence that warming has kicked into overdrive in the last 2-3 years, in that we will see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50. Think +3℃ by some time in the late 2030s, and +4℃ by the 2050s.
And you know what will happen at +4℃? The extinction of megafauna - anything over 45Kg - planet-wide. Including humans.
Fun times.
I’m well aware that things are going to get dire. Venus by Tuesday, if the fish can be trusted.
Yeah. The future is dark, no matter what angle you look at it from.
I don’t think humans will go extinct. We’re very persistent and very good at surviving. But I think there’s going to be mass death and forever wars over resources. I think our total population size is going to plummet.
We just don’t have what it takes to get enough of our species working together to address these large scale problems the future presents. Too much greed. Too much selfishness. Too much ignorance.
Watching that sub collapse from the influx of people realising something was wrong with the world always amused me, I tried my best to stop people blowing up over Sam Carana posts, doomsday apocalypse predictions, the newest fad political posturing/doomsday devices.
There was a lot of great information there; it was pretty much the only reason I kept reddit around. Thanks for modding.
I wanted to go to school for this stuff, but conservative “values” have infiltrated every aspect of society is ways even most progressives take for granted and you get smacked down if you want to change anything. The only value they care about is Dollar Value.
I read collapse for a good while. Same story. Just spiraling into depression and fear for the present and future. The worst part is not really knowing how quickly it will all go. If it was quick I’d just prepare for a life not worth living as things implode into anarchy. Starving or being killed by marauding thieves isn’t a great place to be. If it were longer term maybe buying a piece of land and preparing for intermittent utilities and food supplies might be an option. The not knowing is the worst part, and yeah, the willful blindness to just “get mine” while they can and ignoring how worthless it will all be when it collapses is mind boggling. No good having a million dollars to buy an apple when there are mo apples to be had.
I used to main hanging around and shitposting on /r Collapse. They had so many useful resources.
We’re trapped on a burning planet with superstitious dictators committing holocausts in broad daylight and there are forum mods/admins who find it within themselves to stop you from advocating online to ixnay a few fascists or billionaires
Fuck retards who vote for fascist lunatics.
Okay but why the r-slur
Eh, at this point can we just agree that word doesn’t apply to people with actual disabilities? It hasn’t been used as such for decades. Maybe we just agree to only use it to refer to morons, the same way “moron” was once a medical term.
Didn’t the words moron and imbecile follow along a similar line of etymological evolution that the r-word went through? Yet imbecile and moron are considered acceptable offensive words to use. To be honest it’s why I don’t really care that much about the r-word itself.
Soooo many other words, just pick a better one.
Seriously why are you acting like using words is so frigging hard.
There’s so much worse shit going on in the world as is the entire point of the discussion and this is the hill your choosing to die on here? Mere inconvenience of learning to just use words?
There are many hills to die on, but I have standards and those standards are important. Just pick a better word next time and move on, it’s not that difficult.
How about you just ignore it and move on, instead of asking everyone to pander to your standards? Not to be rude, but no one on the internet gives a shit about your standards, and no one is going to try to comply with them. Use the downvote button if you don’t like the word
But why? Some people are still hurt by it’s usage, we have other words.
Are people actually hurt by its usage or is it another case of “protecting” people who don’t really mind?
I mean I know people hurt by it personally so I don’t use it, to each their own I guess. Surprised that’s a hot take though
speaking about hot takes…. So Why are you still going on about the inconvenience of just changing words? Just learn new words and be done with it. Can’t be that hard. Kids can learn new words every day. I believe in you.
I think about 5% of the time it’s someone who’s actually affected, and 95% of the time it’s performative moralising. Of course there’s no way of telling which time is which…
This is something I’ve been wondering about.
The r-slur is one of the few words that actually bothers fascists.
If you call them a “fascist” they don’t care. If you call them a “nazi”, they don’t care. If you call them a “traitor”, some of them care a little bit. These are not insults that get under their skin.
But if you call them a “retrd" or a "fggot”, it can really rustle their jimmies. In their minds, these are actual insults.
So if using the slur hurts the fascists more than it hurts the marginalized group, would that usage be justified? Wield the word as a weapon against the fascists, in a way?
I’m not sure, leaning probably not. But if I see ICE in the street I would like something to yell at them that actually bothers them. Maybe “Trump is a kiddie diddler” will work for a little while.
I heard Cartman say it’s ok to use it now and he is my moral compass.
Reddit is a dumping ground of hate generated by AI eating fuel to wreck the planet further
I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
“Its a natural solar cycle” is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn’t make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the ‘grand solar minimum’ of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
At least one of the conservatives I know believes the dinosaurs died in a great biblical flood. This is powerful “you can’t reason somebody out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” energy.
We need to do a better job teaching kids physics. Imo since trump laid off so many scientists my thought would be to send them all to schools and churches as guest speakers for science.
What we actually need is classes on critical thinking - basic formal and informal logic as a mandatory part of school cirriculums at whatever age it is appropriate.
We also need to move away from the hierarchical top-down mode of education we use today.
I agree and Science is inherently a subject that teaches critical thinking because of the scientific method.
I do feel like our society also suffers from most our society being run by business majors and lawyers who build careers on ratfucking and storytelling.
It’s called math.
All the boomers who retired in Florida are paying the price.
Love watching videos where they cry about their special assessments due to insurance spikes exposing how under funded their HoAs among other idiotic behaviours they are known to engage in as “property owners”
There is some justice in the world.
Social security Queens ain’t rich enough to take these hits… They assumed they were in the club 🤡
“It’s only going to get worse.”
That’s the theme going forward for humanity. The older I get, the more I realize humans just aren’t intelligent enough, as a whole, to adapt to a world changing at an ever increasing rate, requiring a larger percentage of humanity to work in unison to accomplish goals.
It’s looking more and more like we’re a failed experiment.
Our selfish survival instincts that allowed us to get to where we are now will also be our downfall.
We didn’t get here through selfishness though. That’s the saddest thing. Human development has always been inherently cooperative. The tribe survived what killed the individual.
I’m not denying humans can be selfish. But societal selfishness on the scale we have now has to be enforced on some subliminal level in my opinion.
We’re cooperative with our tribe, but selfish with everything else. What an individual’s tribe is varies from person to person.
Behavioral, not subliminal. Interacting through a market selects for individual, atomized behaviors from people and corrodes social spaces that used to exist outside the exchanging of money and goods.
It’s not about intelligence, it’s about mass manipulation starting from the youngest age. Intelligence isn’t an inherent trait, it is taught. And the system has been perfected to ingrain fear and ignorance or apathy and tiredness in our minds.
It’s not about the species being “stupid”, that narrative is part of the poison that manipulates us, and is ultimately, an incredibly stupid thing
If I put my hand on a stove. It hurts. I learn not to do that again.
If I live in a region that has been controlled by a specific party for generations and life sucks, and I keep voting for that party, then I’m stupid.
If I’m suffering the effects of global warming after professionals have spent decades telling me it was happening, and I choose to continue ignoring it, I’m stupid.
You’re trying to absolve ADULTS from the responsibility of self-education. Of learning from experience.
There’s a lot of misinformation out there. But adults shouldn’t be waiting for someone to tell them what to think. It’s their responsibility to learn from obvious mistakes. There are plenty of people in history that have left organized religion because they learned, through experience, that it was bullshit. That means anyone that isn’t willfully ignorant can do the same.
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Maybe this is just my media bubble, and I’m not saying I haven’t seen any articles about it, but I feel like remarkably little attention overall is being given to how many fucking people are dying in these heat disasters. Not just this one, but over and over.
It is just a common thing that it doesn’t make interesting news. Same for how many traffic deaths there are.
In that same vein, frearms are now the leading, primary cause of death for children and teens, in the US.
Boomers largely do not believe this, I’ve argued with several even here on lemmy about this, provided data, studies, they never admit they’re wrong.
Absolute explosion of mass shooting events, victims are far more likely to be Gen Z or Gen A.
Again, firearms have killed more children in the US than car crashes, cancer, etc, for several years in a row now.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens
Just checked this, you’re right. It’s a useful clarification that what the school teaches nowadays is also right but a different methodology. Schools often teach that accidents cause the most deaths, then health, then homicide, then suicide, and that car crashes are the most common kind of accidents. This is true.
On the other hand, if you group by both mechanism and intent (still among ages 15–19, though 10–14 is similar but at a smaller scale), you have unintentional car crashes in the lead, ahead of firearm homicide by about four hundred. Combine this with undetermined and accidental firearm deaths, and the lead shrinks to about three hundred. Meanwhile, there are over a thousand cases of suicide by firearms, and (nearly?) no logged cases of homicide by car.
You say that, but infuriatingly I’m always amazed by how much above the fold top national news story reporting gets allocated to traffic deaths.
“4 year old girl dies in crash on the M1”
Okay, that’s terrible, but is it really a good use of the nation’s time to read about how lovely this child was and how tragic the crash was? Are there not maybe more informative and educational and useful news stories you could be pushing to the top of the news, rather than this?
You’d think it was some backwater news broadcaster but no, this is from the likes of the BBC. Wild.
Fact right here. I used to work as a paramedic in a city with a couple of large bridges. So many people suicided off those bridges that it never got reported. It was too common and not shocking enough.
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No its not just you.
Climate coverage drastically diminished roughly during Covid, never came back, despite us blowing through the 1.5C limit 2 years ago now, insurance companies in the US more or less abandoning roughly the southern third of the US due to their own climate models, despite the AMOC destabilizing, despite us recently realizing the SMOC has actually been destabalized for a decade and is actively deteriorating.
Yes, there is clearly an active push to just ignore it, it’s been driving me insane.
Our media has a lot to answer for
Yes, but they’re poor and brown and far away, so who cares, right?
Most Americans thinking in Fahrenheit are gonna think this doesn’t look so bad.
Just multiply by 9/5 and add 32 and the horror becomes apparent.
EDIT: added rest of formula because I’m an idiot
I usually just multiply by 2, subtract 10%, and then add 32. Usually easier than 9/5 and gives same result.
Don’t forget to add 32 afterwards
And right there, that’s why I should look things up before I open my mouth. I remembered the 9/5, and forgot the last part.
Yeah 50 degrees still seems kind of chilly
50 is “cook an egg on the hood of your car” weather, lol.
To me, 72 degrees is standard room temperature.
