The short Hakeem Jeffries, I can’t
I find it very funny how Americans spent like 50 years being all “we’re God’s chosen, we’re the only truly free people, we’re the good guys of the world, we’re the peacekeepers and the liberators, we beat the big bad, our nation is the greatest in the world” non-fucking-stop, year-round, but when fascism took root in their government they were all “oh no please save us, we can’t do this, we’re helpless widdle babies, somebody fix our problems for us.”
It must be hard when the bad guy is Caucasian huh?
“We need you to help us!”
“By raising awareness, raising the profile of protests by joining and expressing solidarity with them, engaging in legal efforts to block the administration, and introducing legislation to restrict the administration’s formal power; the things that politicians and especially legislators have especial power to actually do?”
“No, we want you to take up arms and take to the streets in a way that we aren’t willing to do ourselves!”
Our legislators have no legal power to stop what’s happening, or at least that’s what they keep telling us.
So yeah, i would expect them to try anything else that might work. Including illegal things. That is if they actually give a shit about trying to stop the rise of fascism, which they don’t seem to give a shit about.
Vote blue no matter who. Lol
Unless they’re an economic populist.
Then it’s all: “Nope, not like that.” from your local Democratic ideologues.
Unless we fail to ratfuck a moderate or socialist in the primary. Then absolutely under no conditions should you vote blue.
For the immediate future. Sure.
I think there’s a sentiment that we need a third party.
No - we need a second party. The Democratic Party may be corrupt, but the Republican Party committed suicide. The full downfall will be when Donald Trump dies (hopefully not of old age).
People have been saying the Republican Party is collapsing for decades. It’s kind of like how capitalism was supposed to collapse under the weight of its contradictions. Doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon.
Absolutely not. Burn the whole thing to the ground.
Oh shit, things are significantly worse now.
Maybe if we continue to refuse to support the progressive party in protest then things won’t get significantly worse again next time? /s
What progressive party?
The DNC
HA
Oh boy shortest standup routine to get me to laugh that hard.
There is no progressive party. We have two parties doing their best to support billionaires.
The DNC sure do audit and tax Billionaires a lot for their supposed supporters.
No, they really don’t. They throw more money at customer service but they definitely don’t audit more and leadership knows that.
Alright. Were you still planning on casting a vote (write in “None” or something) or were you kust planning on decreasing your voting demographics influence?
I’ll be voting for socialists. My votes will no longer go towards the people that actively work against the working class. The two right winger parties in this hell hole can go fuck themselves.
Same, and it’s a shame that the Dems can’t fail hard enough to get the ideologues to do anything differently.
As long as you’re voting.
Yes, BUT, we gotta get those conservative fuckers out first. Baby steps.
That’s been the game. Back and forth political theater. A vote for a billionaire bootlicker is a vote against the working class.
it took decades of this sort of strategy to get us here; expecting an immediate change is unrealistic.
I’m not sure where you’ve been recently, but it seems pretty apparent that if you’re a president with control of Congress, you can fundamentally change American’s culture and governance systems in mere months.
you mean like the democrats had in the first 2 years of biden’s term?
That’s exactly what I mean.
If you don’t care about breaking the law or the actual outcomes anyway.
Laws are a concept that only some of us seem to agree upon and has no real world repercussions for the wealthy since they aren’t like laws of physics and are only enforced for those that can’t afford to negate them.
Not knowing how things will go is just how the world works. We need leadership that at least tries and pushes for change and asks around for support making it, not money to vote yes.
it took decades of this sort of strategy to get us here; expecting an immediate change is unrealistic.
Nope. Biggest group is non voting. How are those abortion rights being protected? By abstaining you’ve left them able to be removed. Tankies are so unserious. No vote for minimizing harm or growing a progressive wing.
the democrats lost so many voters in this last election that there’s no longer enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference and they’ll continue to lose voters as the democrats keep shifting to the right.
Ive said before. If you are in a red state, blue no matter who is the best you can do. That should slow down the erosion of your rights and give more time to organize. If you are in a blue state you need to show up to primaries to grow the progressive wing. Tankies are unwilling to do either; hence they are un-serious.
what evidence do you have for this?
EDIT: are you expecting leftists to show up to democratic primaries. if so, why would people of one party show up to the primary of another party? if this is the case; you should see what the deomocrats did to bernie in 2016 and 2020 as well as how they’re reacting to mamdani right now.
For better or worse the dems is where the small progressive wing we have lives. Your bad attitude about voting is what got us the republican super majority and so many of our hard fought battles rolled back so quickly. None voting is still the larges block going back decades, so no this has not already been tried.
Well yeah. Just look at what happens when you don’t. Or do you think you needed to vote once?
the democrats lost so many voters in this last election that there’s no longer enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference and they’ll continue to lose voters as the democrats keep shifting to the right.
Democrats lost this election because Americans will rather slit their own throat than vote for a person who is both non-white and not a man. If there will be a democracy later, they will run another boring old white dude and win. The first woman president in US will be one of those guns-babies-jesus bimbos from the right.
Progressives of any kind will continue to bicker with each other, demand a perfect candidate, refuse to vote, refuse to organise, and ultimately not matter.
You are the problem. You got us here.
TBF the people who actually voted for Trump got us here.
Nope, only the left can ever be to blame. We alone are guilty, for betraying the fuckers who literally do not ever stop stabbing us in the back for a single second.
Its our fault, for not voting at all, unless we did, then for not voting for whoever-the fuck, unless we did, then for not being enthusiastic enough about it. They are entitled to our loyalty affection and fealty. Thats how this works.
The fascists are never the problem. They’re just the noble opposition who it woukd be so good to make common cause with. And compromise with. And honsstly, believing in nothing, why not just be a good sport and give them everything they want plus fellatio?
This has all the typos of a very passionately typed comment and all dripping sarcasm of someone very defeated.
Shit sucks.
I am so done pretending the bluemagas are people, and it sucks disregarding so many of my species, writing them off. I wish i was a sociopath so this didnt hurt, but ive ruled out every other conclusion. There’s nothing recoverable. I hate it so fucking much.
Well, you had so much time to implement your much better strategy, but you didn’t even started.
You aren’t taking this seriously because you don’t actually care. You just want to score points and look good for your team.
Oh, fuck off with this projection bullshit. You are demanding your glorious perfect solution, and refusing to compromise to achieve less suffering. If you were the one who cared, you would be all over the idea that less bad is better than more bad, instead you sit arms crossed, waiting for a ghost of Lenin to come here, murder all the libs, and install luxury space communism.
I don’t even have a team, you just assigned me one so you can put me in a box.your perfect solution
What solution am i demanding?
you people hate compromise
Whats the compromise I’m refusing? What do i get? What do you get? You wanna lay that out for the class?
im rubber and you’re glue! Ha!
I never said i did or didn’t care. Just that you don’t.
Also, I’m a fast drying metallic epoxy that just solidified in the shape of a parabolic dish, and you’re a dense egg crate patterned foam sheet. Can’t beat that, can you?
less bad vs more bad
You disassociate cause and effect and disregard any morality not your own for the sake of your sactimony. Show-don’t-tell me you want to hear what I have to say and ill explain how wrong you are. Otherwise, I’ve argued this with you before, whether you had the same name and face. I have no interest in repeating myself.
ghost of lenin tobmurder all the libs and install FALGSC
Okay, so, first off, youre thinking of trots and describing cosmists. Pretty sure lenin literalky had Trotsky killed. Cosmism is cool, but i dont fuck with math or chemistry enough to even try that one. But i wouldnt mind if lenin’s ghost did that; im pretty sure hes on either .ml or hexbear. How do i @ a user to inquire re: progress?
i dont even have a team!
Yes you do, “vote blue no matter who!”.
But im not super interested in hearing the same tired-ass talking points that were dumb and exhausting before id had them shouted at me like a hundred times.
If you really want to beat fascism, i would urge you to be less petty and divisive, and perhaps practice that spirit of compromise and solidarity by falling in line behind your allies.
Vote blue until literally anything better comes along.
I’d ammend to say vote blue in red states. Bote progressive in blue states.
Except lefties who infiltrate the party. You’re a traitor if you vote for them. Obviously.
something better has literally been around for decades; people just refuse to vote for it.
So you’re actively building the alternative right now, right? You’re gonna have another party ready to go next election cycle? Link me to your projects. Surely you at least have some promising candidates lined up? And you’re out there getting the word out about them?
Or are you just going to criticize and nitpick because it’s easier?
Oh and also, get it from 1% to 51% in a single election cycle or else I’ll fight against it.
Yes it will all be ready in due time. Don’t concern yourself brother.
the democrats have proven that they’re not going to stop this and your fellow liberals are more politically aligned w you than w me; so what are you doing to prevent it?
The bare minimum. Admittedly it’s not much, but even .0000000000000001 is infinitely larger than 0.
I’m not any less disillusioned with the system than you are. But I also admit to myself honestly that I am not going to get out there and man the barricades. At least the minimum is SOMETHING.
You don’t like the options? Fine. You should at least be building another one. What are you, a nihilist?
Democrats had options.
Remember Marianne Williamson?
Democrats were all like, nah, give me the guy with evident public dementia instead.
Every single time, it’s like a broken record.
Nobody thinks the democrats did the right thing in 2024. It’s not like you’re delivering some special message everyone didn’t get. The primary was shit and the party is shit. I’ll give you the gold star for correctly identifying that there’s a problem if you want. But identifying the problem is not a SOLUTION. What’s your plan? What have you got? Because all I see is endless harping on the problem, and that’s nothing.
There’s microplastics in the food. So what? Am I going to stop eating?
Any schmuck can sit there and complain and nitpick. Let me know when you’ve got ACTIONS TO TAKE TO SOLVE IT. Contradiction is not a plan.
The way I’m constantly hearing complaints and observations without a lick of solutions or activity, it’s like I’m listening to the mainstream media.
Jesus Christ, this must be a bot. Clearly their code must suck hard if they’re literally saying “it’s your problem, not mine, I’m doing the bare minimum, drinking my dioxin kool-aid while complaining about everyone else not doing the work for me”. What a pathetic excuse for self-justification.
Rage, you sad fuck, rage against the dying of the light. Your utter lack of conviction belies your inner paucity of self.
Also not a plan or a solution. You’re free to attack me all day - it won’t change anything one way or another. I just wish I could hear SOMETHING about what you expect people to do instead of what you expect them to NOT do.
Totally, man.
I’m the problem.
why not be significantly more effective than 1 millionth of a percent and join the 3-9% of american voters that have been trying to warn liberals that democrats are shit every election for the last several decades w a third party?
Warning them clearly isn’t doing anything. They’re not going to change. They’re not getting behind anything truly progressive. But I don’t see the 3-9% of American voters building an alternative. That’s a PRETTY big number - that’s millions of people… are they all just content to criticize and not actually MAKE an alternative? The rest of us are here - surely some of you are motivated enough to give US an alternative to the democrats? Why is it the democrats that have to make an alternative that’s palatable to YOU? This argument goes both ways, you know.
And the CLINCHER is it doesn’t have to be either/or. It’s ENTIRELY possible to both do the bare minimum AND also build the alternative at the same time.
But no, we’re just gonna ride the worst of both worlds into hell. Fine by me, I guess.
that 3-9% is the percentage of americans who have been paying attention to how shitty the democrats & republicans are and have been actively trying to build a better alternative through the green, socialist, libetarian, etc. parties. (atleast so until democrats and republicans join forces to quash them over and over and over again).
you either practice what you’re preaching here and give them your support or just sit & complain. like the other 90% of american voters, the choice is yours; you either keep voting for the 2 parties that have been cooperating w each other to bring us here or you try the only real alternatives that you’ve been willfully ignoring for the last several decades because of what the propaganda tells you about 3rd party voting and fptp deadlocking.
Okay, it’s my turn.
The democrats don’t inspire you with confidence? Fair.
The greens? The socialists? I’ve looked at Jill Stein… I’ve looked at De La Cruz… They don’t impress me either. In the same way you don’t owe the democrats a vote, progressives don’t owe a vote to a candidate just because they’re not a republican or democrat. Find someone inspiring and take advantage of the fact the internet has unprecedented reach.
I just looked at your post history. You’ve been here a year. I don’t see a SINGLE post supporting a third party candidate. You’re not stumping for Stein… You’re not stumping for anybody. Do you want them to MAGICALLY gain support?
Speaking of practicing what you preach… How am I supposed to get behind a third party candidate when the people who are ostensibly on that side can’t even be bothered?
Top two people have been AI generated, right?
AI-induced brainrot so deep you forget people exist
LOL that’s literally Eric Adams and Karen Bass the mayors of NYC and LA.
Adams took bribes and is now best friends with Trump and Bass “saved money” by cutting the budget for firefighters and then went to an oligarch cocktail party in Ghana during fire season and fired the fire chief who criticized her.Both sent the police hard after protestors and have been praised by Democrat leadership for being outstanding members of the party.
Impeccable work
What do you propose they do?
They could start with traveling with armed guards, or more specifically, law enforcement under their own lawful command. Then they can start actually exercising their authority and right to inspect federal facilities such as ICE detention centers. This is the right of every member of Congress. Any ICE or other agents that try to stop them are violating state and federal law. If ICE agents try to stop them, then they should have those ICE agents arrested on the spot.
But really, what they should be doing is stop looking for excuses, like you seem to be doing here. Republicans manage to delay and wring concessions out of Democrats when they’re out of power. But the Democrats were unwilling to use the debt ceiling or temporary budget bill earlier this year to demand concessions. They just said, “well, it would be really bad if the government shut down, guess we can’t do anything!”
Or they could use other Congressional powers. For example, they should be reading banned books, censored scientific articles, and information deleted from government web pages directly into the Congressional record.
But beyond that, they need rhetoric that isn’t cowardly. They should be in speech after speech, calling for the prosecution of ICE agents. They should be up there every day reminding everyone that there are no statutes of limitations for crimes against humanity. And in case of a pardon, they should be promising to ship ICE agents off the the Hague for trial.
And on and on. There are tons of things they could be doing. Many of these involve putting their actual persons at risk. But Democrats are leaders in name only. They have no interest in actually leading. They’re just there to collect a paycheck. When they’re out of power, they wring their hands and say, “we don’t have a majority, what do you propose we do?” When they’re in power, they wring their hands and say, “we only have a small majority, what do you propose we do?”
Or they could use other Congressional powers. For example, they should be reading banned books, censored scientific articles, and information deleted from government web pages directly into the Congressional record.
I really like this one. A “climate change report filibuster” would be an excellent way to obstruct and protest.
Where exactly is it written that members of congress can have political enemies arrested by private police on a whim, and that they can inspect any building at any time?
Hi! Good question!
In addition to it being their responsibility to be a check and balance due to being a co-equal branch of government, specifically the article 1 branch in charge of the nation’s purse, they’re also entitled to unannounced access to any DHS facility specifically from the Appropriations law passed by Congress itself as a condition to monies disbursed for the purpose of detention or housing of “illegal aliens” (legal wording, not mine).
In order to enforce this right of oversight, usually a subpoena or command would be enough, however anticipating an article 2 body preventing the exercise of legal oversight, the house would be within their right to have the US House Sergeant at Arms accompany them to the appropriate facility they were interested in accessing and could invoke detention for inherent contempt of Congress.
Your decision to witting or unwittingly strawman the argument is noted and ignored.
The thing is, the GOP majority Congress already passed their budget and once made law by the executive branch the treasury, the purse, disbursed the money. So on that front there’s nothing Dems can do. Additionally, there is no “the appropriations bill” you didnt cite anything just now you just gestured in a vague direction. If your way to win arguments is to ask the other person to go search for read documents for hours then you will never convince anyone of anything.
The Seargent at Arms of Congress is William McFarland chosen by Republicans Kevin McCarthy and Mike Johnson.
Organize protests. Bring media. Obstruct Republicans in Congress whenever possible
Literally anything?
Call upon all forces loyal to their states and districts to expel ICE and all unjust federal agencies.
And then Trump sends in the military and they start murdering people
That is the inevitable outcome. Delaying it only gives them the benefit of more time to prepare and consolidate resources, because god knows we’re not cooking up some Machiavellian counterplan to stop them.
Careful appeasement does not work in the end with fascists. People should resist while they still have assets with which to do so.
i will always advocate for whatever preserves human life the best, acknowledging all currently living humans in the equation, and i think this is the route that minimizes casualties.
Why is Jeffries there and not a Republican
Take your time sweety
Welcome to: the point.
Because Jeffries is a Republican.
