I think there’s a sentiment that we need a third party.
No - we need a second party. The Democratic Party may be corrupt, but the Republican Party committed suicide. The full downfall will be when Donald Trump dies (hopefully not of old age).
People have been saying the Republican Party is collapsing for decades. It’s kind of like how capitalism was supposed to collapse under the weight of its contradictions. Doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon.
Me laughing proves the DNC is a progressive party? I don’t think that logic is very robust.
I think it makes you feel more confident in disregarding the arguments of others which is the point you want to conclude but it’s unrelated to your previous point and that’s searching for evidence to back your preconceived notion which is also bad science.
Plus this isn’t science or a polling sample it’s a conversation.
So much wrong with how you interact with others.
They audited less than 40 times fewer than smaller businesses? You realize that small businesses and billionnaires don’t exist at the same scale, right?
Heres my evidence, the Biden administration increased federal revenue, and at the same time the rate of audits for those who made less than $500,000 declined.
They audited less than 40 fewer than smaller businesses?
What?
I think you misread the article or I am having a hard time parsing the meaning of that sentence.
During the 5 year gap from 2019 to 2024 they only flagged 22 ultra wealthy companies cases vs 848 flags for small companies and that doesn’t mean a full audit was done just referred. And that’s the 40 times fewer, the number of flagged criminal referrals.
I really don’t think you read that. I think you really are looking for bias confirming items and even gloss over presented data.
Take a second and breath and think that it might be ok to progress your views beyond what you already think you know.
Or please point out to me your evidence?
Alright. Were you still planning on casting a vote (write in “None” or something) or were you kust planning on decreasing your voting demographics influence?
I’ll be voting for socialists. My votes will no longer go towards the people that actively work against the working class. The two right winger parties in this hell hole can go fuck themselves.
I’m not sure where you’ve been recently, but it seems pretty apparent that if you’re a president with control of Congress, you can fundamentally change American’s culture and governance systems in mere months.
Laws are a concept that only some of us seem to agree upon and has no real world repercussions for the wealthy since they aren’t like laws of physics and are only enforced for those that can’t afford to negate them.
Not knowing how things will go is just how the world works. We need leadership that at least tries and pushes for change and asks around for support making it, not money to vote yes.
it took decades of this sort of strategy to get us here; expecting an immediate change is unrealistic.
Nope. Biggest group is non voting. How are those abortion rights being protected? By abstaining you’ve left them able to be removed. Tankies are so unserious. No vote for minimizing harm or growing a progressive wing.
the democrats lost so many voters in this last election that there’s no longer enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference and they’ll continue to lose voters as the democrats keep shifting to the right.
Ive said before. If you are in a red state, blue no matter who is the best you can do. That should slow down the erosion of your rights and give more time to organize. If you are in a blue state you need to show up to primaries to grow the progressive wing. Tankies are unwilling to do either; hence they are un-serious.
EDIT: are you expecting leftists to show up to democratic primaries. if so, why would people of one party show up to the primary of another party? if this is the case; you should see what the deomocrats did to bernie in 2016 and 2020 as well as how they’re reacting to mamdani right now.
For better or worse the dems is where the small progressive wing we have lives. Your bad attitude about voting is what got us the republican super majority and so many of our hard fought battles rolled back so quickly. None voting is still the larges block going back decades, so no this has not already been tried.
For the immediate future. Sure.
I think there’s a sentiment that we need a third party.
No - we need a second party. The Democratic Party may be corrupt, but the Republican Party committed suicide. The full downfall will be when Donald Trump dies (hopefully not of old age).
People have been saying the Republican Party is collapsing for decades. It’s kind of like how capitalism was supposed to collapse under the weight of its contradictions. Doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon.
Absolutely not. Burn the whole thing to the ground.
Oh shit, things are significantly worse now.
Maybe if we continue to refuse to support the progressive party in protest then things won’t get significantly worse again next time? /s
What progressive party?
The DNC
HA
Oh boy shortest standup routine to get me to laugh that hard.
Thank you for being exhibit A in my argument, you’re doing great to make my point for me.
Me laughing proves the DNC is a progressive party? I don’t think that logic is very robust.
I think it makes you feel more confident in disregarding the arguments of others which is the point you want to conclude but it’s unrelated to your previous point and that’s searching for evidence to back your preconceived notion which is also bad science.
Plus this isn’t science or a polling sample it’s a conversation.
So much wrong with how you interact with others.
There is no progressive party. We have two parties doing their best to support billionaires.
The DNC sure do audit and tax Billionaires a lot for their supposed supporters.
No, they really don’t. They throw more money at customer service but they definitely don’t audit more and leadership knows that.
Lmao
They audited less than 40 times fewer than smaller businesses? You realize that small businesses and billionnaires don’t exist at the same scale, right?
Heres my evidence, the Biden administration increased federal revenue, and at the same time the rate of audits for those who made less than $500,000 declined.
What?
I think you misread the article or I am having a hard time parsing the meaning of that sentence.
During the 5 year gap from 2019 to 2024 they only flagged 22 ultra wealthy companies cases vs 848 flags for small companies and that doesn’t mean a full audit was done just referred. And that’s the 40 times fewer, the number of flagged criminal referrals.
I really don’t think you read that. I think you really are looking for bias confirming items and even gloss over presented data.
Take a second and breath and think that it might be ok to progress your views beyond what you already think you know.
Or please point out to me your evidence?
Alright. Were you still planning on casting a vote (write in “None” or something) or were you kust planning on decreasing your voting demographics influence?
I’ll be voting for socialists. My votes will no longer go towards the people that actively work against the working class. The two right winger parties in this hell hole can go fuck themselves.
Same, and it’s a shame that the Dems can’t fail hard enough to get the ideologues to do anything differently.
As long as you’re voting.
Yes, BUT, we gotta get those conservative fuckers out first. Baby steps.
That’s been the game. Back and forth political theater. A vote for a billionaire bootlicker is a vote against the working class.
it took decades of this sort of strategy to get us here; expecting an immediate change is unrealistic.
I’m not sure where you’ve been recently, but it seems pretty apparent that if you’re a president with control of Congress, you can fundamentally change American’s culture and governance systems in mere months.
you mean like the democrats had in the first 2 years of biden’s term?
That’s exactly what I mean.
If you don’t care about breaking the law or the actual outcomes anyway.
Laws are a concept that only some of us seem to agree upon and has no real world repercussions for the wealthy since they aren’t like laws of physics and are only enforced for those that can’t afford to negate them.
Not knowing how things will go is just how the world works. We need leadership that at least tries and pushes for change and asks around for support making it, not money to vote yes.
Nope. Biggest group is non voting. How are those abortion rights being protected? By abstaining you’ve left them able to be removed. Tankies are so unserious. No vote for minimizing harm or growing a progressive wing.
the democrats lost so many voters in this last election that there’s no longer enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference and they’ll continue to lose voters as the democrats keep shifting to the right.
Ive said before. If you are in a red state, blue no matter who is the best you can do. That should slow down the erosion of your rights and give more time to organize. If you are in a blue state you need to show up to primaries to grow the progressive wing. Tankies are unwilling to do either; hence they are un-serious.
what evidence do you have for this?
EDIT: are you expecting leftists to show up to democratic primaries. if so, why would people of one party show up to the primary of another party? if this is the case; you should see what the deomocrats did to bernie in 2016 and 2020 as well as how they’re reacting to mamdani right now.
For better or worse the dems is where the small progressive wing we have lives. Your bad attitude about voting is what got us the republican super majority and so many of our hard fought battles rolled back so quickly. None voting is still the larges block going back decades, so no this has not already been tried.