I hate that 2/3 of my fellow citizens support this, either directly or or tacitly by choosing not to vote.
I really hope the protest/non voters are happy with the outcome they chose. I can’t wait to hear them tell me that Harris would have done this too! Anything to justify intentionally causing the suffering of more people…
Distracting people from what is happening is NOT what you want.
Bombs are falling in the Middle East, but it is Americans who are in a nightmare? Lol.
I have a hunch the title might have been cynicism.
No, the Americans need to be consistently reminded of what their government is doing so that there’s at least the slightest chance they’ll put a stop to it. They don’t get to ignore the problem, it’s their job to fix it. They are not babies to be coddled.
I have no clue what to do. I’m American. I’m trans. I voted for Harris. I live in a blue state. I’ve gone to protests. I’ve talked to state senators about legislation. I’ve canvassed. I’ve talked to Trump supporters and tried to get them to change their minds.
it all feels totally useless. nothing I’ve done has had any effect. my own mom voted for Trump three times. it’s like being chained to an anvil and thrown overboard. I’m swimming but I’m still drowning.
You do know what to do and you are doing it! It’s not going to magically solve everything but you are doing more than most people.
Continue doing exactly that and convince others to do the same. It’s a slow process but the only way to fix things.
“Disteact [Americans] from the nightmare THEY are enduring”???
Well to be fair, there’s no memes in the world that distract people living under the shadow of bomb and missile strikes.
Yeah. Keep them in the memes as to distract them from the dystopia right outside their doors.
Won’t anybody think of the shareholders?
They are dragging the entire world into their insanity.
The rest of the world has to endure America.
Hmm
Sorry to anyone living in the fascist dictatorship that is the US. Its clear that youve lost your democracy.
Also sorry for all of the innocent civilians living in Iran which are about to go through hell thanks to Israel running off and crying to the US
Sorry to anyone living in the fascist dictatorship that is the US. Its clear that youve lost your democracy.
Its sad how much this sentence damages all democracys around the world. The fact these words have been made true is putins greatest victory. Putin aside, americans played a bigger role in giving up their own liberty. That is even more disgusting.
I’m not as mad at the 32% that elected trump as I am at the ones that sat at home and let it happen.
It’s liberals like you who let America become a dictatorship when you voted for Genocide Joe last year
Last year?
Honestly though, despite all the protections put in place, it has taken just one person with no morals to ignore them all and as long as he and his cronies(lets not give him too much credit) stacked the other branches with his supporters he has been able to do whatever he wanted and its been very difficult to stop or reverse the damage.
Its quite shocking how much someone can hate a country whilst being in charge of it.
No… It didn’t just take one person…
It took years of planning, a carefully chosen selection supreme court justices and appointed individuals, a ton of media cooperation, billions of dollars, and half a voting population of gaslit idiots.
Don’t chalk this up to just Trump… At least half the nation is culpable in its own destruction.
Yes, it’s definitely our fault they rigged the election.
Your elections are rigged since 1812
So? What does it change?
Cope
Cope with what? The growing evidence that the election was rigged? Trump straight up admitted it.
Cope with everything that lead up to the institution failing
What I hope for those in other countries, is that they understand that I had no control or decision of what vagina I fell out of or what dirt I landed on.
I did not choose to be American, I was just born here. And I most certainly do not agree or approve of any war.
I do hope most other decent people might agree with me.
Fuck Donald Turd.
You didn’t choose to be born American, but per your own admission in this thread you chose not to vote. So you can fuck all the way off with this sanctimonious bullshit.
I hear you, the issue for me is that a third of your country people voted for the cunt, another third didn’t care enough not to vote against the cunt, which leaves a large majority of Americans complicit in this - enough in my view to effectively use the term as a blanket reference to most people in the country.
Speaking on a more granular level, I wish you well and the best of luck - but the majority of your population can go fuck themselves.
Don’t think for a second we dont feel a strong flood emotions when we see the 66% of Americans who are a complete drain on the people around them face consequences for their actions(or inaction). The fact is, it doesnt happen nearly enough and it never changes anything.
Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind, that those of that didn’t vote, was usually because we didn’t approve of either candidate?
I never approved of orange baby, plain and simple.
Kamala was cool though, looking to help people and not deceive them, and I just might have voted for her.
But even though I have no problem with a female president, she would have too many world stage problems with countries and groups that don’t respect women at all.
So, seeing both as a risk, why would I have voted for either? Like, why did Pete Buttiguieg drop out?
That’s the real question, what forces in play made my dude Pete drop out? I sure as hell would have voted for him!
Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind, that those of that didn’t vote, was usually because we didn’t approve of either candidate?
Life is full of decisions that seemingly only have bad options, but one option was clearly drastically worse than the other.
Not voting because you don’t like either candidate despite knowing that one is a crypto fascist with the intention to burn things down is childish and, IMO, means you don’t get to say you’re not responsible for trump.
Your choice in the election is a contributing factor, you don’t get a pass because you sat out. By not voting, you tacitly endorsed trump. It sucks to hear that put in your face, but that’s the same message I had to learn after 2016. I know you won’t like the message here, but I hope you take the lesson to heart and vote for the less awful candidates (assuming we get to have elections again) instead of taking your ball, going home, and letting a Nazi take power.
Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind, that those of that didn’t vote, was usually because we didn’t approve of either candidate?
Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
“Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind that I didn’t want the 5 guys on the main track or the 1 guy on the side track to die?”
Duh. That’s the point. You act and feel guilty about a small bad thing, or do nothing and feel guilty and a big bad thing. We got the big bad ending, feel guilty.
Portraying this as a trolley problem is misleading and manipulative.
This is not a trolley problem because:
- It’s not a single decision after which there is no walking back on it, rather it’s a cyclical choice which happens every 4 years and a lot of what was done by the candidate elected in once cycle can be undone in the next (as the Republicans frequently demonstrate when one of theirs gets elected after a Democrat).
- It’s not a single person making a decision, it’s millions of people all at the same time and it’s not even the average of their choices that gets executed (that would require Proportional Vote) but it’s done using a weird mathematical formula, so there are tons of situations were no matter what one’s choice is (or even not choosing at all) it makes no difference whatsoever.
- Voters don’t actually know upfront what either choice will deliver. Politicians often promise one thing and do something else.
The closest philosophical or game theory example to an election is a cyclical “Ultimatum Game” between voters and politicians only it’s in the best interest of politicians that people don’t see it that way (because they would be aware that they can punishing politicians in one cycle to get them to do a different split the next one, or specifically in American politics they can Punish the DNC in one cycle for fielding a too rightwing candidate to get them to field a less rightwing candidate the next cycle) so instead their propaganda has pushed for decades this falacy that it’s an “trolley problem” and it’s companion: the idea that people must “chose the lesser evil”.
Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
It’s honestly quite funny and downright sad that you would quote the trolley problem. There’s a reason it’s brought up in ethics courses. The whole point of the trolley problem is that there is no correct solution to it. Different ethical systems arrive at different conclusions. But here you are, going, “fuck how it’s actually used, I’ve decided the trolley problem proves that utilitarian ethics is the correct answer!”
In a utilitarian ethics framework, you would choose to run over the 1 guy or choose to vote for Kamala. In a respect for persons ethical framework, you would take no action and would refuse to vote for either Kamala or Trump.
You’ve completely failed to learn the core lesson of the trolley problem.
What are you talking about? In any ethical framework, the trolley problem presents you with the conflicting guilts of action and inaction. The ethical frameworks don’t do anything but justify whichever guilt you choose.
https://medium.com/@ashwinjitsingh/the-trolly-problem-utilitarianism-vs-deontology-bd624a8e321e
If one were to take a utilitarian standpoint, the means are justified by the end, which from a utilitarianist perspective, is the maximization of benefit. Hence, for a utilitarianist, whatever option guarantees the outcome of the maximum benefit is what is moral. Therefore, in the trolly case, a follower of classical utilitarianism would say that it is morally permissible to sacrifice 1 to save 5.
The deontological perspective in contrast, advocates for the means justifying the end. This, for a deontologist, the morality of the action should be based on whether the action itself is right or wrong under a series of rules, rather than being based on the consequence. In this light, a follower of deontologism would argue that it is morally impermissible to sacrifice one to save five because making the choice of having to kill someone is inherently wrong.
Again, this is the entire point of the trolley problem. No one actually give a shit about the hypothetical trolley. The whole point is to explore how different ethical systems can lead to different outcomes. There is no “right answer” to the trolley problem.
That theory works great in hindsight, but before the election the orange turd was promising to stop wars, not start them.
Sure we all know he’s a liar now, but before the election, going on their campaigns, how could anyone be sure which track would actually have more bodies in the future in that Trolley Problem.
You can’t predict the future, so that’s like presenting the Trolley Problem as if the switch is 10 miles before the tracks split.
What about his first term would convince you Trump wasn’t a liar?
Fuck homie I dunno, I didn’t have television through his first term.
Uh, dude’s been a known liar for decades. He made himself known well before 2016, even more so for the next 4 years. We all said this was going to happen, no one else is surprised. You were warned.
Fuck homie I dunno, I didn’t have television through his first term.
Bruh. Everyone with an ounce of awareness knew he was a liar. Since the fucking 80s this was well known. Known then, known now.
This future was so predictable that it was outilned in back to the mf future.
Believing the campaign of Biff is not an out.
This isn’t some unknowable conundrum. And it’s not the trolley problem when you know damn well that who’s manning the switch will drift both tracks.
“I didn’t like either, so I did nothing” is such a bullshit excuse…
Like it or not, we have a two party system and this was the worst possible time for anyone to decide to do nothing. Non-voters are just as complicit in what’s going on now because they chose to do fuck all when it actually mattered… I hope the righteous objection through inaction was worth it, because people are dying as a result now.
The problem with this line of thinking is that it encourages short-term rather than long-term thinking.
From a purely utilitarian perspective, the absolute good to the absolute greatest number of people - we would have been better off if Trump won in 2020. He would have had another lame duck term in a continuation of an administration where he had a lot of restraining voices in his cabinet. He wouldn’t have had the four years to regroup and come back with an entirely different organizational structure.
A Biden win in 2020 guaranteed a Trump win in 2024. It was eminently predictable and it was widely predicted. Biden wasn’t going to do anything to address the actual causes for Trump winning. Biden was only ever going to be a temporary speed bump to fascism. He simply lacked the character to properly confront a fascist movement. He’s not morally capable of it.
Even if you stick to a purely utilitarian framework, even if you believe that harm minimization is all that mattes, sometimes voting for the lesser of two evils is the option that’s going to get more people killed.
Read my other comment, I tried in 2016, definitely wasn’t going to vote for orange. I never got to see the inside of the voting place.
After waiting around 2 hours, they shut down and cops ordered everyone remaining in line to leave at 8pm. There were probably around 200 people outside still waiting to vote…
You tried once, so you said fuck it this time…
You know mail-in, absentee, and provisional ballots are a thing, right?
Also, if you’re in line to vote and the polling place is set to close, you still have the right to cast your ballot, no matter how long it takes. They can turn new people away, but they can’t just close up and send people home if they’ve been waiting. If you were told to leave, those cops violated the law. And if they absolutely had to close, they’re required to give out provisional ballots. Know your rights dude.
Okay, good to know. Maybe I can sue the library and the cops and get to cast my 2016 vote, wouldn’t that be fucking nice if there was a time machine?
Like I said, we were in a line of probably around 200 people, and we were probably in place about 150 back towards the end of the line.
Everyone else ahead of us followed the orders first and left for their vehicles, we were towards the back of the line and were amongst the last to find out they closed as the cops ordered everyone to leave.
What the fuck you expect me to do, run around the block to get to the library door and beat on it? Get tackled and shot by cops?
You think I’m fucking stupid? If the 150 people ahead of me are complying with the cops, you think I’m gonna be the idiot to catch a bullet?
Boo. Boo this man.
What a wonderful response, objecting against someone that would have actually voted if Pete would have stayed in the running.
I may not have voted, but I know for a fact I would never vote for the diaper.
Like, why is it always a heads/tails coin decision?
And what the fuck is up with the Electoral College?
I may not have voted, but I know for a fact I would never vote for the diaper.
By not voting at all, you cemented Trump’s victory.
You don’t get to say “well I wanted it to be different” now.
Do better next time. Do something next time.
No, I didn’t cement any victory, I literally said I didn’t vote. The voters cemented his victory, not me.
What skin would it have taken for you to just pull the lever for kamala?
Maybe youre saving it for “the one”
I, like most Americans, know we only get one vote! Gotta save it for that perfect candidate!
/S obv
You gotta get in the building first. Back in 2016, me and a friend went to vote. I would have voted Vermin Supreme (legit candidate no less), and my buddy planned on writing in Batman.
We stood in line for around 2 hours. For about the last half hour of waiting it was raining. Around half of everyone knew the weather forecast and had an umbrella, including us.
They closed the voting place (library) down at 8pm sharp, and the cops told everyone in line to go home. We were probably 150~200 people back in line.
We all waited that long, even in the fucking rain, only to be ordered to leave?!
If it matters (which it probably does), our state doesn’t have early voting, you get one day to do it and that’s it.
Wait 2 goddamn hours, partly in the rain, only to get shut down with around 200 people or so waiting to vote?!
Sooo… I’ve never had a chance to see the inside of a voting facility. Not for lack of trying though.
I don’t care. You did this.
Drag every dumb American leftist that was here during the election claiming this exact thing, or that Harris’ support of Israel was too much and Trump wouldn’t do the same. Collaborationists one and all. May as well have given the order today.
You live with that now. And as it continues to get worse I sure hope someone in your life slaps the self-serving excuses right out of you so it dawns on you, because you will have to stew in this the rest of your life.
You are the enemy, just as much as the average noncommital fascist was in the mid-20th century. You are a cautionary tale for some kid studying history in a century, assuming we get to have kids studying history in a century despite your best attempts.
You sound like a toxic person. I am not your enemy, I am just an individual.
Oh, no, you’re not.
You’re a speck of the nameless hordes in a rogue superpower. A collaborationist in a fascist nuclear state.
You have zero relevance as an individual. You are, fundamentally, just a small part of a big problem.
I have no obligation to care about your “individuality”. I care about your victims. Which exist. You have real, human victims now. And I really hope if you’re being honest about your self-righteous denials throughout this thread, that it at least triggers some self-awareness about that.
There is something seriously wrong with you.
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So when the Padres got knocked out of the World Series last year by the Dodgers I was pissed. I didn’t want to put my support behind a team I didn’t love heart and soul. I felt comfortable doing that because it was a fucking sport trophy that happens every year and not who decided who held the office of the fucking President of the United States. You’re getting downvoted because you’re treating those two scenarios as exactly the same.
I voted for Kamala Harris. Never liked that orange fuck.
A third did not vote for him. The popular vote was something like 51 to 48, which is insanely close. And a record number of people didn’t even vote.
It’s more like 1/6 voted for the asshole, and then the dems gave up the win before the night even ended.
Not voting was tacitly supporting Trump.
A good chunk of Kamala’s platform was also tacitly supporting Trump.
Anybody who “didn’t even vote” is responsible for this. At least the 1/6 are trying to hide their guilt behind excuses. Eff all fascists, of course, but hey, at least that subsegment of them aren’t lying to themselves about it.
Bombing Iran and letting Israel dictate American foreign policy are two things with strong bipartisan support.
Hillary Clinton campaigned in 2008 on the promise to bomb Iran. Biden couldnt even bring it over himself to enforce a demand for Israel to no starve Gaza to death and let Netanyahu humiliate him in public multiple times. And Biden/Clintons are the ultimate Democrats establishment.
I hear you, the issue for me is that a third of your country people voted for the cunt, another third didn’t care enough not to vote against the cunt,
Okay I don’t think bombing Iran is a partisan issue in America. It’s more like a third supports this, half doesn’t care enough to act and the remaining sixth is too busy convincing itself that genocide is good if it’s the lesser evil. The guilt for this crosses party lines by a fair bit. I mean hell, the only vocal opposition to this is coming from people like MTG and Tucker Carlson, not anyone from the Dem political establishment.
That’s not relevant. The fact is this entire situation is developing this way because Trump is both extremely willing to go along with Israel and terrified of looking weak.
That he would give Bibi everything he wanted and make the situation worse was both known from his actions last time and a common warning to “the Dems are just as bad” delusional morons during the campaign, to their protests.
And now here we are. Delusional morons are still out there, still in denial and still entirely wrong.
Okay here’s the thing: If the Dem leadership had any problem at all with the situation in Gaza or Iran, they would’ve said something about it. It’s the evil Trump doing it, yet there’s not a goddamn peep from the Schumers and Pelosis of the party about the illegal and immoral war Trump is trying to start. The only conclusion one can make from this is that they’re okay with it, so they’d do similar if not the exact same things if Netanyahu asked nicely. The escalations we’ve seen since the January ceasefire are much better understood in terms of fascist progression and Netanyahu clinging to power.
hat he would give Bibi everything he wanted and make the situation worse was both known from his actions last time and a common warning to “the Dems are just as bad” delusional morons during the campaign, to their protests.
Because genocide Joe didn’t give him everything he wanted? I’ve seen Biden parrot the 40 dead babies nonsense, don’t try to gaslight me into believing he wasn’t Netanyahu’s bitch.
Hey, it would be great to be in a world where we can test that hypothesis.
But you made it not that world by electing this particular turd. So what we know for sure is this: you didn’t make it better.
So it’s your fault.
So you don’t get to go “boo hoo the other guy was Israel’s bitch, too”. Your self-righteous leftist cosplay may give your denial room to pretend you didn’t make it worse (you did), but now we know for a fact you didn’t help.
When the rest of reality dawns on you feel free to poke me again. In the meantime, deal with whatever amount of it your psyche can parse in your own time.
Resorting to guesses and assumptions so you don’t have to interact with my argument, I see. Well sorry to rain on your parade but, since I’m a non-American who lives on the other side of the world, I had exactly zero role in electing your turd. Now will you stop Trumpwashing your team’s atrocities or are you still digging your head in the sand?
“My team”? What team would that be? Cause my elected officials, that I voted for, are very much in the “arrest Netanyahu for genocide” camp, with my full support.
If you’re not American my claims don’t apply to you (unless you were a non-American peddling anti-Harris online propaganda during the elections, and then you’re as much to blame as the rest of the idiots that did this).
Very clear explanation for xenophobia, no notes.
E: won’t support bigots no matter what. Sorry, not sorry at all.
A lot of people didn’t vote for him. A lot of people didn’t vote for democrat either. A growing number of people are voting for third parties now. Not enough to sway the vote, but enough to make a statement.
I think, in my lifetime, we will see a third party finally elected. The leading parties just aren’t cutting it anymore.
Yeah, the 3rd party voters are complicit in Trump’s actions, as are those who didn’t vote in protest.
When one candidate straight up says they’ll be a dictator on day one, anything but voting against them is supporting their actions.
It’s also hard to leave. Many of us would leave if we had the means. Even for those who wish to stay and fight the blossoming authoritarianism must wage a nearly hopeless battle against powerful disinformation machines.
Yeah, no offense, but nobody cares about how you cope or whether you leave. This isn’t about you.
We’re all pretty ok with you guys stewing in your own fascist soup. You made that bed. The concerning part is how it’s affecting everybody else. If this was entirely a you problem I would be much less worried.
This isn’t a US problem, and your nation is just as vulnerable to this.
It is.
But I’m not making it worse and we’ve staved it off so far.
So I will keep trying to not make it worse.
Which American leftist cosplayers spewing self-defeating, self-righteous maximalist crap to get Trump elected can’t say.
Trust me, I would much rather be dealing with their self-righteous crap than with Trump. But since we’re here, and since we tried to tell them, at least I can pop up to go “told you so” before I go back to blocking Americans and their nonsense from my feeds and try to survive their ongoing spiraling.
Exactly. You know how many countries US trans people can get asylum in? Zero. None. Zilch. There is not a country on Earth where a trans person in the US could qualify for asylum, even considering the vast rollback of trans rights currently underway. And if a member of a targeted minority group can’t get asylum status, then forget about nearly anyone else.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a video that Trump called him after the strikes: “It was a very warm conversation, very emotional.” Speaking in Hebrew, he called Trump a friend of Israel like no one before him.
https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-war-updates#00000197-9582-d77f-a797-ffaf39a20000
Thanks guys, real glad we didn’t vote for that evil fascist Harris and paved the way for Mr. No New Wars…
It was very important for palistine.
How’s that working out for them?
Palistine? Last I saw it was going to be a trump resort so…
We saved Palestine,
RedditLemmy!
Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign
Has Kamala come out yet to denounce a single one of Trump’s Israel policies? Unlike a lot of other Democratic lawmakers, she has yet to publicly condemn the strike on Iran. From what evidence we can actually observe, it seems she supports the current strike. Or at least she doesn’t oppose it. There’s little reason to think she wouldn’t have ordered the exact same type of strike Trump just did. She would spin it as “being the tough cop on the international scene.”
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Hey now. We didn’t start THIS war. Israel did. We just immediately rubbed one out and then gleefully joined in.
So… most of the old memes will probably still work.
FUCK
Careful there, we all got a lot of “America invades middle eastern country” memes, there’s a surprising amount of themes to choose from.
Variety is rhe spice of life.
There is not enough alcohol on this planet to survive to the next election
Do we actually want to survive it?
There’s not going to be a next election. Democracy in the US died on January 20th.
Sounds like some young people who haven’t been through this before. This is not going to lead to a war. The USA has been bombing other countries continuously for decades.
I mean, I dont see how it isnt a war already, this kind of thing is an act of war after all, and the other side doesnt have to be capable of equal retaliation for the term to apply.
It doesn’t really matter what you call it. W. and Obama normalized not declaring war on the countries you bomb. Unless the US plans to invade, it won’t be a war in the traditional sense of the word.
The US hasn’t declared war since 1942. It goes back way further than W or Obama.
what was declared during korea or vietnam?
Korea was a UN “police action” and Vietnam was a “conflict.”
Crucially, Congress did not formally declare war in either case, nor did they for the Gulf war, Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, etc.
A conflict.
Oh, so a war. Got it.
No, what it is is a war. What it is declared is whatever works best for the politicians. It’s semantics, but there were no declarations by any officials.
Korea was technically a UN peacekeeping effort. It was just led and mostly done by the US. Vietnam was just the US giving South Vietnam a “little” help. It was called a troop deployment.
There are different levels of bombing. This wasn’t the US assassinating a single general. This was a strike on strategic assets comparable to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. We just did a Pearl Harbor against Iran.
Might be the toughest opponent we’ve bombed since Iraq, which technically wasn’t a declared war either.
You’re absolutely right, this won’t likely get bad for Americans. Being so far away with a huge military insulates us from the consequences of our actions abroad.
Almost like we are the baddies
Bestween this and Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Chile, Cuba, Indonesia, Timor, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea you’d almost start to think that. I wonder how many countries the real baddies have attacked. Must be way more.
Being so far away with a huge military insulates us from the consequences of our actions abroad.
Yeah, certainly. Only an utter imbecile would attempt symmetrical warfare with the U.S.
Asymmetric is the only way to go, and non-attributability would be the ideal.
yeah a lot of over reacting going on around here
…this is… war?.. you want troops on the ground? Careful what you wish for.
you want troops on the ground?
Genuinely don’t know what reality you’re living in if you are typing this question after reading my comment.
I believe their meaning was, ‘Do you have to see boots on the ground before you call it a war?’, not accusing you personally of wanting war.
Thank you for clarifying.
My only point with my original comment is that people are freaking out as though this is about to be Iraq War take 3. I see no evidence of that. It would require an invasion.
I mean how many dozens of times have we done something similar to this without anything becoming of it? Didn’t Trump literally assassinate an Iranian general during his last term?
Oh. So this is just Tuesday. I guess you should call Iran and tell them. They will be so relieved.
America did not. The U.S./Donald Trump did.
Ok
Some people see it as pedantic but I’m always bothered when people say “America” when they actually mean the U.S. government. America is a nation, which IMO includes most Canadian citizens and a lot of Mexico (marked by a shared culture). So many bad people use mixing terms between nations and states to try and manifest consent or some shit.
I can be reasonable I’ll change it.
I think you mean America is not a nation, also besides north-america there is also south-america. You can argue as much as you want about about them being separate continents or not, they definitely share a name. I also talk about Americans when I mean people from US but if someone corrects me the only argument i have is that other people also do that.
Yes, France, the country, and France, the nation also share the same name.
There’s also the British Isles, Britain, and Great Britain.
Additionally, you might want to consider South Africa, South Africa, South Africa, and Africa. (Still all different things)
America in this case, I mean the nation which predominantly exists in North America and in the United States.
Yes, France, the country, and France, the nation also share the same name.
Whenever I see people talking like this I get white nationalist vibes.
France the nation includes more or less everyone who grew up there, so. IDK if or why you seem to think I’m raciat.
