seeing alot of transphobia in the comments, light and probably accidental but yes deadnaming caitlyn is transphobia even if she fucking sucks.
it shows the trans people here that your acceptance is conditional on us agreeing with you.
you can call her out for her bs without deadnaming her
The reply to her tweet is on point, though. Any more deadnaming is just deadnaming.
Anyway, I would gladly provide her with HRT and send her to a labor camp as an enemy of the people.
Oh noes, the target of the insult is insulted in a way the target would not approve. It’s like the insult is meant to inflict abuse on the target. Logic circuits breaking down. What will society do?
Insult Caitlin Jenner about everything else she’s a horrible person about. She killed a person, she supports a fascist, she’s an adultular, a narcissist, was on the Kardashians, seriously take your pick. I could talk trash about Caitlin Jenner for a long time without ever bringing up her transition. I don’t need to be transphobic to “inflict abuse”.
is conditional on us agreeing with you.
Not exactly. If anything it’s conditional on you not selling your allies/kin down the river.
Except that by misgendering her you’re causing harm to the trans community as a whole. We don’t misgender cisgender people when they are bad people. Misgendering transgender people who do bad things only shows that respecting transgender identity is conditional and can be revoked by other people. It’s not. It’s who we are. Even if someone is a trash fire human being they still should be gendered correctly.
Transphobes will read comments misgendering or deadnaming Caitlyn and cheer along. There are far, far better ways to vocalize disapproval of her. Ways that don’t hurt other trans people.
I appreciate your point. A few months ago I was in a discussion with someone on Lemmy about the strategy of maliciously complying with someone that has insincerely stated a preference for neo-pronouns. The example in the discussion was Elon Musk claiming “prosecute/Fauci” as pronouns, but insincere pronouns aren’t necessarily so easily spotted. (My position was and is that it’s okay to maliciously comply with someone’s professed pronouns to demonstrate that person’s insincerity)
If you’re not tired of tutoring ignorant allies I’d really appreciate your opinion on that dilemma.
I’m not disagreeing on morality of misgendering. I’m disagreeing that the misgendering is conditional on agreement.
I don’t want to sound mean with this I’m sure you mean the best but this isn’t a debate
Deadnaming and/or misgendering someone purposefully is transphobia and doing it because they’re a bad person is still transphobia
As a trans person I’m saying that if you are transphobic to someone even if they’re bad is conditional acceptance whether you mean it that way or not
People were deadnaming her in the comments, that’s transphobia not an opinion
What’s the difference between transphobia and bigotry?
I think you might mean bigotry, albeit a very specific kind.
I think you might mean bigotry, albeit a very specific kind.
Yes, and that very specific kind of bigotry is called transphobia…
I thought the “phobia” part was relevant but in looking up definitions of transphobia and homophobia I see that, etymologically, the phobia part seems to be irrelevant. TIL!
A great litmus test for transphobia is what pronouns people use for Christine Chandler.
I doubt 99.99% of people here have any idea who Chris Chan is.
I’d say either an obscure character from Friends, or Jackie Chan’s sister?
Nope, obscure infamous internet person. Both relentlessly bullied by 4chan, which is terrible, but they’re also a terrible person in their own right, including raping their elderly mom and going to prison for it. Famous for “Sonichu”, a self made fan character that’s sonic and Pikachu mixed together.
A few years ago they came out as trans, but even that’s been very contentious on whether or not it’s real as faking/lying about that for attention is perfectly in line with their character. I prefer to just use neutral pronouns, some refuse to acknowledge (or just have no fucking clue that the trans thing ever happened, which is why my initial comment was worded in the way that it was).
The Chris Chan saga is vast, if you’re curious just throw that name into YouTube and there’s hours upon hours of content.
And take away your passport.
Yo Google is not doing its part, alert the authority or your citizenship may be at risk.
Ugh that’s disgusting, I sent a report to Google that his Name is Bruce.
Hot take: she came out as trans to cover up the story of her hitting and killing someone with her car
maybe. maybe not. In the end not for us to decide.
But tbh, if that were the case, she wouldn’t have “stuck to the act” for so long.
I’m not saying she’s not trans I just think it’s convenient. Like Kevin spacey coming out as gay, right as the allegations happen
Blatant transphobia here. Caitlyn Jenner is a horrible person but transphobic attacks help nobody
Nothing about my statement is attacking her as a trans person. Shes still trans and was planning to come out. She came out as trans to dilute the news when she KILLED SOMEONE.
take a step back and really read what I stated.
This is gonna be one of those ‘oh, my transition was done during the previous administration, so THIS administrations rules rules don’t apply to me’ cases.
That’s because Caitlyn Jenner is rich.
It’s really simple, friends.
I’m not your friend, pal!
I’m not your pal, dude!
I’m not your dude, goober.
I’m not your goober, mister.
I’m not your mister, buddy.
Instead of properly debating the issue at hand (the sanity of this schizo), commenters fight on whenever or not she’s getting misgendered in the comments. Never change Lemmy
