Meanwhile on Openstreetmap:
name Golfo de México
name:en Gulf of Mexico
official_name:en_US Gulf of America
Showing just enough acknowledgement to confirm they’ve discussed the executive order, but they aren’t going to follow it.
Surely that is following it? Change the name in American. Leave it the same in English.
It’s kind of a malicious compliance thing. The new name will not show up on any map renders, moreover it’s not likely to be shown in most apps even if you select the object (because
official_name:*is not supported by most apps).
Ooh I would LOVE to do it and I did that with 2 places but I don’t like:
- The fact it doesn’t show you the best match of your search based on distance by your location (or is because)
- It doesn’t show the 2 places I sent ~1 month ago or they’re hard to find (available on site, not on organic maps)
The fact it doesn’t show you the best match of your search based on distance by your location (or is because)
That highly depends on the search engine you’re using, OsmAnd for example sorts the search results by distance to your location.
It doesn’t show the 2 places I sent ~1 month ago or they’re hard to find (available on site, not on organic maps)
That’s an Organic Maps problem, they only update the OSM database once a month, and you have to click the update button manually when they do so.
I kinda recommend against Organic Maps at this point. It’s a dumbed-down app with bad routing, bad search, and slow updates. The only thing it has going for it is that it has the best UI/UX (especially for new users) compared to other FOSS openstreetmap apps. If you’re ok with proprietary nonsense, mapy.cz is a lot more fleshed out, and otherwise you should just learn and configure OsmAnd for yourself.
I use Organic Map and both my locations are on the site and if I open the location through the app, I see it but searching lead to no results. No idea why, maybe I can see them because I’m the author?
That’s an Organic Maps problem, they only update the OSM database once a month, and you have to click the update button manually when they do so.
I thought was more. But it’s up to date and I still can’t see the place I uploaded more than 1 month ago, sadly.
Eh I strongly prefer FOSS apps, OrganicMap was a cool project, can’t find a Google maps alternative FOSS and reliable
Google maps was exactly like that before it became the defacto navigation software for most of the planet and we all started answering innocent little questions for our new overlords. I really feel like OSM is on the verge of becoming top tier, we just need a bit more momentum to push it there. And unlike their competitors, it’s highly unlikely you will see anything in any media publication to push users towards them. Google had multiple ad campaigns for maps before it replaced things like Garmin GPS and in car GPS. Garmin and TomTom sold millions of dedicated GPS devices before Google killed their business model.
Its a great app but has some problems I can’t just ignore, the ones mentioned above are what I need and I can’t get it working
I’m gonna download StreetComplete, it’s a neat incentive for exercise.
That’s pretty cool, I didn’t know about that app before you brought it up. Downloaded already!
It’s even weirder because America doesn’t mean just the United States
Geographically, America is too ambiguous of a name for the Gulf of Mexico
Wouldn’t the Gulf of California also qualify as being the Gulf of America?
The Caribbean Sea?
Basically every river system from the Mississippi and and the Amazon are also “American” from northernmost point of North America to the southernmost point of South America, it’s all “America”
Naming the Gulf of Mexico “America” is almost as bad as naming a country “earth”
Question for all non-US natives. When somebody tells you they are from America do you think the continent or the USA?
Saddly the US because those fuckers are just so loud and never shut the fuck up.
And that’s the point of my question, and this change. Trump feels like he won, because he took something away from Mexico.
Yes, agreed. He seems to regard life as a zero-sum game, in which he can’t win unless someone else loses, so he doesn’t understand the concept of win-win. It’s a kind of cognitive bias which is a serious weakness in someone who apparently imagines himself to be a master of ‘the art of the deal’.
Everyone knows what you mean if you say you’re American
Hey since America is the center of the earth, we should change it to the Gulf of Central America!
Really, we could just call it the Gulf of the Americas. That would be perfectly correct in every way.
…but it’s not in any way contiguous with south america; that would be the caribbean sea…
Hmmm, good point. The Caribbean Sea will now be known as the Sea of the Americas, lol. Idk, I was trying to unite everyone.
Mexico’s full name is ”The United States of Mexico", I think they should rename their map’s version to Gulf of The United States just to add to the confusion and make the point these things, like all facts, are useless when people suffer no consequences from making them up.
Organic Maps:
Organic maps updates its dataset once a month or so. It will eventually be updated to the gulf of America, as it is now, technically named the gullf of America in America. See discussion here: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571
Organic Maps is really cool :-)
Yeah, it’s even better than GMaps for me, because GMaps doesn’t have bike navigation (where I live) while Organic Maps has all the bike lanes marked and navigatable.
Yeah it’s way better for biking and walking. I also find the map a lot more coherent, with GMaps I often had to resort to the satellite view to see what’s going on.
IIRC Google shows different names and borders depending on the location you’re accessing it from. They just follow whatever the local government thinks is right.
There’s no thought in our government, so they’re already messing that one up. Also, it’s just the president who cares (and I guess some people who voted for him).
I’d imagine a majority of people here aren’t calling it the new name (or even know the name changed).
In Portugal, it appears as “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”
In Germany, it is still “Golf von Mexiko”.
Edit: when you zoom in, it is the same as in Portugal.
Same in Canada.
Slow your horses there partner. That sounds an awful lot like facts and logic. We don’t do that stuff here, so quit using that brain of yours. Take the outrage bait and join in on this circlejerk.
Yes, big international companies bowing down to local authoritarian governments… nothing outrageous going on there in the world. This definitely hasn’t helped dictators remain in power or target citizens, jerk away!
Use that logic to form sarcastic, misconstrued, and dangerous viewpoints and throw facts out the window! How fun!
Lad. Google has always done this.
You access Google maps from different locations and you’ll see names and border changes.
Because, and this might surprise a sheltered yanks such as yourself. There’s a whole world outside your borders, and different cultures call different locations different names.
You guys have got way bigger fish to fry than this.
Live in the south Bud, your yank shit can go out the window. We have bigger fish to fry than the worlds largest company that influences elections and controls our data and produces algorithm’s to ensure our behavior?
The point is Google has always done this shit, just because someones been pissing in your cornflakes every morning doesn’t mean you can’t get upset when they eat asparagus. Or better yet, maybe care they’re pissing in your shit to begin with?
It’s not about “bigger fish to fry”, ain’t no one frying fish in this fucker. We’re just talking and spreading awareness, idk wtf you’re doing here besides complaining about people being aware (this is a degoogle community after all).
(this is a degoogle community after all).
And there’s way more important thing to complain about when it comes to Google then something as routine as this.
The only thing you are spreading awareness about, is how sheltered you are.
This same thing has been done for the Persian/Arabian Gulf, something that I can’t help be suspicious that it’s never been brought up.
Holy hell, talk about projection with your sheltered remarks. Did you try searching for persian arabian gulf before commenting? “I haven’t seen anyone complaining about one thing, so no one should be complaining about this thing.” You’re seriously saying this?
“I deem anyone not agreeing with me as a sheltered yank, I am definitely not a sheltered southerner with a bias”
I wish I could actually add anything to this conversation but your last response was just a “nuh uh!” with more insults sprinkled in (I guess to make you feel better about yourself? how’s that going?). You’ve wasted time proclaiming this is a waste of time. Glad you got bigger fish to fry, can’t wait for what great subject we should be focusing on with our comments.
I guess everyone would benefit from seeing your comment history and all the great fish frying you’re doing. Us plebs talking about such mundane things is such a waste since you’ve highlighted it for the community. I imagine there’s a whole plethora of comments you made about Google that will help lead us into a better future.
Typical sheltered yank. Only complaining when something affects you.
great subject we should be focusing on with our comments
Something actually relevant to Google? And not standard operating procedure.
I would hate to see what would happen when you learn about how Google maps handles all the disputed borders in the world.
You’re right. No more braining!
Yes, Tim Apple bent the knee, but the company seems to be holding steadfast.
Edit God dammit, they changed it. Cowards.
Where are you located? I’m still seeing the correct name and I’m in the USA
Not sure if memeing or serious
ecosia all the way
Poop. I was hoping I could leave a review but can’t
This is pathetic and reeks of insecurity big time. Hope that this debacle improves your QoL, Americans.
Seems like all the high-visibility, internet-focused corporations are rushing forward to bend the knee.
I guess it would be pretty interesting to see one of them do the opposite. As in, how easily and quickly would the exec and other branches be able to attack them, maybe even to destroy them?
What’s funny is the rest of the world gets “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)” which ups the insecurity I expect.
American here. It’s freaking embarrassing. Not as much as all the other shit, and certainly not as sad and tragic. Our neighbors elected a cartoon villain and his best buddy, another cartoon villain.
Eh I’m on the opposite side, despite being a massive lefty. Why would an american company not follow an American dictate just for America? (It’s still called the Gulf of Mexico on Google in every other country) It sets a wild precedent where private businesses refuse to follow the fairly inconsequential requests of their government.
“I’m such a massive lefty, I see no issue with a mega corporation bending the knee to a fascist regime and helping them virtually take over territory that isn’t theirs” 🙄
(also no, it isn’t only showing in the states, and this being an expected part of capitalism doesn’t make it any less of a problem to be taken seriously)
The Mexican president asked for the US to be called Mexico Americana or something like that. I haven’t seen if google complied yet, but if they don’t, would you support them not?
🙃
Look at this, even Australia is laughing at us from the other side of the globe!
I just did literally the only thing I CAN do, which is rate it 1 star and call out their spinelessness. I’m sure this token, irrelevant act will be ignored at best or manually removed at worst. But until they drag me off to the gulag I’m absolutely not going to shut up and play along.
Fuck Trump, Musk, their MAGA cult, and anyone who enables or colludes with them or fails to fight back.
I wouldn’t worry too much. Trump is old, he can just drop dead of a heart attack or a stroke at any point. I mean, it’s like he’s alway pissed, so his at rest HR has to be above 100BPM at it’s lowest 🤣 Then the US falls on the hands of JD Vance. I’m just sitting here waiting for that to happen and see what course that “country” takes.
Unfortunately there’s no way to predict it with any accuracy. IIRC his family history suggests a long lifespan. But that doesn’t matter because if Vance replaced him, that limp sausage will do whatever he’s told to do by his fellow cult members. The only hope then will be watching MAGA dissolve into infighting because nobody will have the charisma to hold the movement together. In that case it’ll lock up unless somebody can slap them around enough to restore order, but who’s gonna pull that off? Most Republicans have less charisma than moldy fruit.
I don’t see any review bombing (“newest” is a month ago). People care but know it’s a waste of time, and so is submitting product feedback, but I did both.
Using the website from outside of the US shows it with its proper name, but then the asshat version in parentheses.
I have no use for a map service that isn’t sure about the names of places.
Same in the US when you zoom out.
Might be caching though, those tiles are probably cached.
Yeah, same here in Australia.
Anything but google.
Apple?
No, they’re just virtue-signaling goodness while being so closed that they can never really be trusted. Their maps will silently fall in line during the next big unrelated news cycle. Their “Find My” location spy network that tracks everything in America will then be put to task, among other evils one will never know about due to the OS and chips all being so closed to external observation.
No better time than the present to switch to OpenStreetMap
For Android, I use OsmAnd~ which uses OpenStreetMap data and allows you to download maps to calculate routes offline, something Google Maps couldn’t do for routes by foot and by bike last time I tried.
It also has better coverage for some small paths in natural areas like forests. Give it a try!
I’ve been using it and evangelizing it for some time now. I don’t have a data plan and it works. My data, location, preferences or anything is not sold to anyone.
It can be a little overwhelming at first. It can be difficult to use at times (the search isn’t great), but in using it, I feel like I’m a part of something good and I can rest better knowing that.
In OSM ″Gulf of America″ is added under official_name:en-US tag so if any app uses this tag to display names, it will show up.
Here is the link to OSM object for Gulf of Mexico. And here is a thread that discusses naming.
Any country/language can call any object as they want. This change of course was dumb and petty and doubt it will be adopted by other regions, but this is nothing new or special. Google Maps currently show ″Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)″ for me. When checking in another language it shows same naming standard.
OsmAnd is a nightmare in terms of user experience! I dropped it 8 years ago because it was a horror. I gave it a try again last month because, you know, maybe people have done something about the useless navigation, the totally overpacked UI, the sluggish behaviour etc. Guess what? It’s the same terrible (!) app it was 8 years ago!
FCK Google, but if that’s all that there is as an alternative, well…
I use Magic Earth. It’s not Open Source afaik but they claim they dont collect data (…🤔). I don’t believe this so use these apps as little as possible.
Greetings, an open source enthousiast
Agree with you, OsmAnd is practically unusable for me due to the ancient UI. I hated it every time I used it.
I found Organic Maps to be a decent modern alternative. It’s open source and uses data from openstreetmaps as well, but it’s a million times less cluttered.
The OsmAnd~ app, from fdroid, is the premium (and paid) version og OsmAnd, also known as OsmAnd+.
If you use the fdroid version, and enjoy the app, consider donating to the developers through other means.
Is using alternative maps even worth it if you have google’s Android and location has to go through google play services anyways?
you can use gps without play services.
How?
Disable “(improve) location accuracy” in settings and location history in Google settings (I think)
google play services would still periodically query your location, even when on gps only. it’s a privileged app so you can’t even block it from doing so. MicroG (on lineageOS or calyxOS), or GrapheneOS’ sandboxed play services can help with that
It won’t prevent Google from tracking your location, but it might help support these alternative maps by increasing their popularity on the PlayStore and whatnot.
