Van Hollen and Booker showing how representatives in government should be working for their constituents. I hope their aim is to be as annoying as possible until something good comes of it, but I worry Bukele will just arrest them and further erode the numbers we have in Congress.
All of them were wrongly deported.
Trafficked*
Deportation, by definition, includes due process
This isn’t deportation, it’s internment
Kidnapping?
It is definitely kidnapping. But it’s more than that. It’s human trafficking and genocide.
Yeeted
Yeeted right into a concentration camp.
Correct, although I imagine they don’t want to risk the optics of coming to the rescue of everyone only to find out after a court case that at least one of those people were actually guilty, even though you’d have saved hundreds from wrongful imprisonment and stood up for the constitution.
Voters are just too dumb, I guess.
I mean that would be a win. You can show why due process is important and that justice is served with it.
How is it a loss to use the justice system as it was written to convict someone of a crime?
If Democrats are so worried about messaging that they’ll let innocent people rot in prison and only attempt to save one guy for a “win” that just means they actually don’t care about any of them.
I think 14 (ish) of them were actually charged with a crime, although none of them had a trial, let alone were found guilty and sentenced. And even if they were found guilty of something, I’m pretty sure locking someone up indefinitely in a foreign torture prison/slave labor camp qualifies for the 8th Amendment’s prohibition on “cruel and unusual punishment.”
There is no legal or moral justification for sending even the most hardened convicted criminal there.
Yeah, like I said it’s mostly optics because a reasonable person should know this isn’t ok in general, but the common voter isn’t reasonable. At least that’s how I interpret it. Thanks for bringing up the specific number, too.
There is also the legality of it and if it is treasonous. The one person at least the senators have some saftey nets from the Supreme Court but they still are at risk here.
They need to stop this 1 at a time thing. Get like 40 members of Congress, Senators and Representatives. Show up at CECOT with cameras live streaming and demand to be admitted. When they refuse, force your way in.
I don’t believe anyone in El Salvador, including Bukele and the goons staffing the prison, want to have a live stream of them assaulting/arresting a bunch of US members of Congress. And if they do, maybe that’ll help wake some Republican voters up to the fascism.
The Rs would celebrate the Ds getting detained in El Salvadore. Everyone going together would be risky as F. If they all get detained, there are no Ds to push back against this shit.
Uh… how exactly are any of them pushing back on anything right now?
Excellent argument. We have no constituents to begin with. Time to increase protests.
Protests? We’re less than a week from martial law. The time for beliefs of peaceful protest is done.
Peaceful demonstrations have ALWAYS played a part in every successful social movement. They shouldn’t be the ONLY thing people are doing. They should be paired with more radical strategic actions. But solely relying on violence is also a losing strategy. We should embrace a diversity of tactics, not shout down people who are out there trying to do something.
I read Donald wants to make those illegal-he wants it like Hungary.
That’s a bad move.
I disagree.
Bukele is an authoritarian asshole who is friendly with Trump. You want the entire Democrat rep crew to get held on bogus charges in a foreign country because Trump sees an opportunity?
Think.
I want somebody to do something more than a photo op. Yes, Bukele is an authoritarian just like Trump. But Trump relies on a large amount of his base thinking that he’s in the right. I don’t believe he nor Bukele want the optics of concentration camp guards assaulting a bunch of members of the US Congress. And I don’t believe that a bunch of concentration camp guards would be willing to assault them on livestream to the entire world.
Show up with bodyguards. They don’t need to be armed, but be physically intimidating and insist that they’re going to enter and find the Americans who are being wrongfully detained.
All the Democrats, or really anyone in opposition to Trump, have been doing is playing it safe. If nobody is willing to take risks then the fascists will never feel threatened. If they had the balls to try what I suggested, one of two things will happen. They guards could get violent and assault, arrest, or even kill some members of the US Congress. That would spark outrage in the US. The opposition to Trump would grow and there would be even more motivation to stop him from sending people to foreign gulags.
More likely, IMO, the guards would back down and the members of Congress would prove that Bukele and Trump aren’t as all powerful as they want to seem. They’d also get live video inside CECOT to show the world exactly how horrendous it is.
That’s not really the point though. The reality is that Trump’s psychos find loopholes, and they have one now.
We can either deal with the illegal nature of what happened to get innocent people kidnapped to El Salvador in the first place (Boasberg is working on that), or we can deal with the actual political influence of the Democrats, which isn’t much but a whisper and bet at this point.
Bukele isn’t going to budge because he feels safe with Trump. Make him less safe, and he will cave.
This:
The reality is that Trump’s psychos find loopholes, and they have one now.
Directly contradicts this:
We can either deal with the illegal nature of what happened to get innocent people kidnapped to El Salvador in the first place (Boasberg is working on that), or we can deal with the actual political influence of the Democrats, which isn’t much but a whisper and bet at this point.
The fascists aren’t going to bow down and accept defeat just because a judge orders them to or Democrats vote really hard in Congress. They don’t play by the rules. If/when Boasberg finds them in contempt and orders they send someone to El Salvador to bring people back, they’ll ignore him and probably find a way to get him out of office. Democrats have already shown all their political “power” is completely impotent. It’s not that it “isn’t much but a whisper and bet,” it’s non-existent. There is NOTHING we can do to help these people just by sticking to the rules of how politics are normally done.
I am talking about making Bukele feel less safe. You do that by directly challenging the base of his power. The base of his power is fear of getting sent to CECOT. Challenge that. Prove that people can go there and get people out of it. All they’ve been doing so far is political theater.
Your entire mindset is weak and simple about the problems at hand. You aren’t think multiple steps out.
You seem to want violence without consequences. You also just seem to want everything on a platter. It doesn’t work that way.
Your entire methodology is like this:
- Kill fascists
- ???¿??
- Win
This is a photo op. Sorry they are legislators using tax payer money to take a photo. These trips yeild no results in preventing further people to be deported. Nice try tho!
The republicans are showing videos from inside CECOT. They also came down for photo ops, their voters love it. Your not changing any minds, its a photo op for your side. You’re still going to the camp. Take a photo when you get there this fall.
What is your suggestion? Van Hollen got them to crack just by holding a press conference. I’m suggesting they continue this line of attack, but to a greater magnitude.
Get a list of everyone that’s been sent down there and get every Democrat who represents all 300+ of them in Congress, every single Democratic Representative and Senator from their states/districts. All of them go down and insist on seeing all of their constituents. Do what Van Hollen did, but on a larger scale.
What’s your suggestion? Stay at home and try the same thing they’ve been doing for the past decade?
Here’s a wild idea. How about he uses his massive platform to organize some protests and stand in the front line with the rest of us?
Ya if I was a senator, I would probably be visiting my republican colleagues districts. I encourage people to bring the protests directly to their representatives houses. Protest their free movement.
My protest sign is a picture of the Jan 6 gallows. I am calling up my Republican senator every day and letting him know that we are very angry and aware of what’s going on.
I want my legislatures legislating that’s my idea. I want them forming voting coalition in the house of Congress to stop this madness. They are not that many votes. There is no chance in hell that all 300+ Republican Congress people are in on this grift. there’s no way they have the strength to continue this grift if their houses are under siege by angry mobs
Just 1 single Senator was enough to scare them into backtracking on their previous denial and grant a face-to-face meeting with Abrego Garcia. He’s been locked back up now, but, as far as I’m aware, this was the first time anyone locked up in CECOT has ever been let out even on a short-term basis to meet with someone outside the concentration camp.
And that’s what just 1 Senator was able to accomplish. The bad PR of denying him was enough to scare them into it. So my question is, what could 40 manage to accomplish?
It will manage an international incident, and Trump arranging arrests of “accidents”. In the world we live in now, it’s not a good idea.
That didn’t happen when just 1 Senator went and didn’t live stream his visit. If they really wanted to, they could have claimed he did something violent or something. There’d have been no way to prove otherwise. And he was able to get them to crack just by holding a press conference. The bad PR from 1 guy getting denied scared them so much that they let him meet Abrego Garcia.
So why do you think they’d do that if there was a large group and the entire thing was being live streamed?
NECAUSE ITS FORTY. Dude, I don’t see why you’re not getting this. There are 45 currently sitting. Why in the hell would you send 40 and get them arrested or killed? You don’t see the flaw in that logic?
We still have allies we can call on as long as we get rid of the orange. THAT is where the problem comes. We have to deal with this shit on our own. Nobody is coming to help Americans regardless of sides. China has no interest in helping us and they have us by the balls. They know that American manufacturing is weak and we have literally nothing to counter it.
The cynic in me knows that since it would be only D’s going down there, the fascists would use their absence to cram some shit through. The smart play would be to send only congresspeople and keep the senators here to make sure that nothing Mike LovesJohnson slides up can pass filibuster and get to the Diet Coke Desk.
That’s not really a concern at all. They haven’t been using Congress to pass anything thus far. They’ve just been doing it all through Executive Orders, so it doesn’t really matter what Congress can or can’t pass.
Plus, that’s not how Congress works, either. Republicans hold a majority in both houses. In the House, if all Republicans vote together there’s literally nothing Democrats can do (within the normal rules of how Congress functions) to stop them. It doesn’t matter if every single Democrat is there or none of them are. They have the same power. And the only difference in the Senate is the existence of the filibuster, but they don’t need any Democrats there to use it. They just threaten to filibuster any given piece of legislation and it requires 60 votes to pass (technically, for cloture, then 50+1 to pass, but the effect is 60 to pass). Again, it doesn’t matter if all Democrats are present or none are. Their power is exactly the same.
Found the guy in charge of the DNC. After Elsalvador the 40 dems can go to Gaza and sing Kumbaya. Lots of great opportunities for photo ops there. Anything but writing or passing legislation am I right! Fire up those private jets its vacation time before the vacation! and then it’s time to get together and pass a 5 trillion dollar tax cut. Then no more legislating for the year, and back to those photo opportunities.
Anything but writing or passing legislation am I right!
How do you propose a party that doesn’t control any branches of government pass legislation? And what do you think that would accomplish when the regime has already shown they’re willing to ignore the law and courts whenever they want?
You want them to just sit in their offices and do the exact same thing they’ve been doing for the past decade? That’s how we got here.
Yet 1 single Senator taking a trip down to El Salvador was enough to scare the Salvadoran government to let someone out of CECOT for the first time ever, even just temporarily to meet with Van Hollen. And you call this just a photo op? Just 1 guy taking a flight and hosting a press conference was enough to scare them into cracking. And you’re saying he should have stayed home to write legislation that’d never even get a vote, let alone get passed into law?
You are a deeply unserious person.
See you’re really exposing your age here because you can’t remember a time when we did bipartisan legislation which makes you younger than 25 so maybe you can hold off on the insults for a bit until your ball is fully drop
I’m 39 years old, so try again.
Honestly, I’m done trying to work with Republicans.
Oh, I don’t think a single Republican would join in on this, and I wouldn’t want those fascists to take part anyways.
They are too busy whining that they are scared of the monster they created.
Nah. They like what Trump is doing. They are all 100% complicit in it.
Fear is not an excuse for complicity. They all have the option to resign in protest if they’re really that principled about it. But they’re not. They care more about keeping a position of power.
Yeah, that’s kinda my point.
What a strange, absurdly bad idea.
Such a dumb, American-centric idea. No Central American banana-republic dictator is going to care that they are Senators/ Reps, they’ll just mow them down with machine guns. The fact that it is livestreamed only demonstrates how powerful they are to the entire world.
Their ONLY fear would be retaliation from the US military, but HitlerPig won’t do that. He already greenlit the torture murder of Adnan Khashoggi so that it wouldnt derail his arms talks with Saudi Arabia. Not only will he not respond to killing a bunch of elected Democrats, he’d publicly praise it.
I don’t think you have a very strong grasp on international politics.
Said the guy who just wrote a delusional fan fiction. Looking for a TV win instead of a policy win. I’m not sure you understand much of anything outside of creative writing.
Van Hollen on his own going down there was enough to cajole them into giving him a face-to-face meeting with Abrego Garcia. Two days ago half the people on the internet were convinced Abrego Garcia was already dead, but just 1 Senator was able to disprove that. The government of El Salvador was so afraid of the optics of denying just a single Senator that they backed down from their initial refusal and completely capitulated.
And you think it’s fantasy that a larger number could accomplish more? You are clearly not paying the slightest bit of attention.
And then Trump opens up another prison in Venezuela and we’re right back to where we were. Needing the legislator to legislate.
…in Venezuela? One of the 2 countries in the western hemisphere we don’t have diplomatic relations with? A country Trump tried to do a violent coup in last time he was in power? You think they’re going to build a concentration camp for Trump and start taking prisoners?
You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about, and it really shows.
Venezuela is already is a concentration camp for venezuelans LMAO 🤣
You can’t force your way into a foriegn country, or prison, or force a president to do anything.
60 members of the senate can stay at home, in their office and pass a law to prevent this. What the fuck is this real world OZ TV braint rot shit i just read.
The Republicans control the Senate and they want this to happen. There are not 60 Senators, let alone a majority, who are opposed to sending people to concentration camps.
Playing by the normal rules of politics is how we got here. Staying in their offices and just voting in the Senate is what they’ve been doing for the past decade to oppose Trump, and the fascists have only gotten stronger. What the fuck do you think that’s going to accomplish?
Van Hollen on his own went down there and was able to cajole them into giving him a face-to-face meeting with Abrego Garcia. They were so afraid of the optics of just a single Senator getting denied an face-to-face meeting that they went back on their previous denial and granted it. I’d love to see what a whole crowd could accomplish.
Well then risking our Democratic senators lives for a picture. Doesn’t seem like a great idea. Does it seems like we should be pressuring those Republican Congress people to resign because they’re in violation of their oaths. How’s that for a fucking message?
I’m not talking about just getting a picture. And you think Republicans will resign because…why? Because we asked them to? Why would they? This is all exactly what they want.
Excuse me for not being realistic enough for your fantasy, I’m sure saudis will take our political dissidents. You understand my point that feeing one person does not stop more people form encountering the same fate
I never said it would stop anything. But it’s a hell of a lot more than sitting at home writing legislation that will never get a vote and pretending like politics as usual is how anything works anymore.
Well to my point it sounds like they around rounding up more people and sending them to El Salvador today. Maybe they can talk to all of them when they’re down there and get a picture of each one. Or the next 200 that they send on Easter or the next 200 they send the day after that
I have a feeling this will be the first politician to be arrested.
*By El Salvador and put into an El Salvador prison, for trying to visit a political prisoner.
Many have been arrested in the US and abroad over the years for various reasons.
Why would you think that? Just because he’s not a white m-ohhhhh right.
Yeah, no, you’re probably right. But they’re going to fuck up enough at some point. Hopefully we’ll be here to make them pay for it, and I like Booker. (yeah yeah miss me with the ‘he voted for Israel’ links, I got it, thanks.)
I have a feeling you’re wrong.
Cool.
Absolutely.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Chuck Schumer and the DNC must be FURIOUS! This TOTALLY RUINS their ENTIRE Plan of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! These Representatives NEED to stick to the DNC tactic of LETTING Americans get Deported so they can WIN the Midterms!
A Nazi at a bar I used to frequent would definitely love to see Cortez and Crockett thrown into a male prison/camp.
Look for him in this mound
We can get satellite imagery that has a resolution of 30cm (1 foot? Fucked if I know) I put in a request to get some of the site but they want $500 because I need to buy 25sq km of imagery. So I’m still looking for another vendor
You probably should ask the Covert Cabal channel on Youtube about this. They specialize in counting Russian armored assets - how many are still in storage, the rate tanks vanish, and so forth. They ought to know specialists and how to get the most cost-effective footage.
I wouldn’t be surprised if CC someday covers concentration camps, seeing as how the Trump Regime is an Russian organ.
What is that?
That’s the question! These are satellite images from the notorious El Salvadorian prison from 2024. The image is viral online with people claiming this is a pile of bodies and blood, but that’s unsubstantiated (and the image is from before Trump took office). Another idea is that it’s a pile of construction materials and clay.
Doesn’t look like anything to me.
Many stated it’s dead bodies-if you use Google Maps satellite. If you use Apple Maps-it’s very clean. But it seems like Google Maps is more updated than Apple…
Well one thing we can know: if during the next round of satellite imaging from apple/google maps in 2025 sometime, if a building or tent appears over the place, then it was definitely bodies.
El Salvador gets internet too, they have definitely seen the controversy and would move it or cover it up in the future against satellite imagery.
If nothing at all happens and the next round of imaging shows the exact same dimensions and no clearer imagery emerges from a world regime with higher zoom spy satellites, then it is likely nothing.
Assuming this guy is still alive at this point.
He was alive this morning when he met with Senator Van Holland.
He obviously needs to bring armed forces with him and extract the guy and watch El Salvador blink in 1 second
And threaten bukele within an inch of his life. Then end it regardless.
Execute Bukele for crimes against humanity, come back and execute Trump for treason
Human rights group, prison report.
Honestly, what is he gonna be able to do?
Try to do the right thing. That’s something.
I hope he is successful
Imagine 3 more senators do this, would that change things in your eyes? 5? 10? Etc. Even if unsuccessful it puts the pressure on those involved, making them look incompetent whether they ignore it or bend over backwards to justify it. It’s a smart way deal with unethical actors.
What if 5 republican senators just joined with the 50 dems and passed a bunch of laws to prevent this? Do you think that 10 dems going to el salvador and being told “fuck off” is going to save our country or more people from being sent to el salvador? Can’t we have someone else check on the prisons, someone who isn’t incharge of making laws to prevent this from happening? Really just seems like they are beating around the bush of legislating. Lets focus on 1 guy in El Salvador while 330 Million people are fucked at home.
Of course I would prefer if the majority of our political representatives acted ethically. We wouldn’t be in this situation if that was the case. But the Republicans are compromised, effectively useless in this situation and too many dems are passive to a fault (though overall still doing a much better job at working towards progress). This is already against the rights of non-citizens per the Constitution. And a judge ordered them to bring him back and they defied the courts, so what laws would need to be passed to have any actual impact on this (which already occurred in the past anyway)?
Desperate times call for desperate measures, and pushing back against a tyrannical machine will require more than begging Republicans to find their morality and respect the rights of others. And if you don’t think this is important for the rest of the citizens back home, you’re missing the point. When one group’s rights are violated, all of our rights are at risk. I don’t need to be threatened directly to understand the gravity of the situation and support the efforts any representatives are taking to try to resolve this. Others will wait until it directly becomes a problem for them in their personal life, but that latency is one of the critical factors that brought us under the shadow of this new administration in the first place.
Yesterday we find out the senator met with him. Today we find out he’s released from CECOT. Even Fox news was pressuring the AG to admit that they had no proof of any criminal record. This is why I applaud the senator for directly intervening in this mess.
I just need you to think about this. The republican establishment got a bunch of illiterate morons who don’t care about their kids… to invade and take over schoolboards across the country. In a grass root movement. They completely upended educational systems across the country. Fueled by fake news and just enough political guidance to pull it off. I can point to a million things the republicans did in the last 12 years as an opposition party. Dems 0. What the fuck the republicans wrote a whole play book on this shit and no ones going to use it? Why are we not flooding state elections with money and candidates? Why are we not pushing ballot issues in 50 states? Why are we not focusing on election reform in districts, court cases anything. Everything.
I am very aware. I don’t think these are mutually exclusive strategies forward. So focusing on drastic reform in the Dems needs to happen alongside immediately resisting actions from the new admin. I wish it were another way, because inevitably your efforts are diluted. But time is of the essence in this situation, unfortunately.
Fair enough. I didn’t realize Fox News was reporting on this issue. I’d say that is meaningful. I’m going to have to hunt that down because I hardly believe it.
He’s a US senator, the right thing for him to do would be to draft and pass laws to prevent this, form voting coalitions, you know the job we pay him for. Flying to el Salvador to take a picture with a prisoner after a Maryland congressman just did the same thing?
They are milking this for political points and allowing it to happen.
This is so far from the right thing to do, this is just trying to grasp at some headlines to make you think we’re not already to far gone.
Nothing lol he has no power over anything in El Salvador, he can talk to the president but I’m pretty sure the President has prior comittments in this matter. This is a photo op. Like the filibuster, they’re continuing to virtue signal to voters instead of leading and legislating. This does nothign to convince a handful of republicans to join them in reigning in trumps power. Pure optics. No strategy. I’ve seen headless chickens act more decisively.
The bottom line is that man will never be safe in this country again. This fascist regime has made sure of that. He will have a massive target on his back if he ever returns.
American fascism is here.
He’ll get told no and then leave.
He wouldn’t be going if he thought anything would be accomplished, he’s in it for the media attention so there’s no room for the progressives actually trying
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The Legislative and Judicial branches need their own armed forces in order to help provide a real counter to unconstitutional executive overreach.
This is giving Jonestown
He’s definitely gonna run for president again and is trying to position himself as relevant. He’ll never win.
“You won’t have to vote ever again”
If I were that man I would not want to return to the US. Send him somewhere safe.
His wife and child are American citizens. His life, job and friends are in the US.
It’s not easy for people to give up the people and places they love.
Where would he go? If he doesn’t have family anywhere else, how do you uproot your life and start 100% fresh elsewhere?
