The Republican party deserves to die for allowing Donald Trump to rise to power. The Democrat party deserves to die for being useless to stop them. America needs a whole new fresh start with new parties
or better yet, no parties at all and force some of our morons to actually learn their candidates beyond just party lines.
Idk, I’d totally be in favor of ranked voting; with several parties that correspond to music genres where people could identify the party’s values based on vibes. Ex: Acid Polka Party, Nu Delta Blues Party, Hyper Uplifting Metal Party, etc.
That will never happen.
We were within 2% of stopping them. If you bastards had got on board, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Let’s blame the voters instead of our shit policy and campaign that promises them nothing much more than republican lite
No fuck yes. Blame them.
Are you saying that trump won because his policy and campaign was stellar.
Trump won because his base acted instead of passively watching. They took over everything and all the left could say was “don’t roll with them something something pigs”
I blame the owners of news and social media. How can people make good decisions if they can’t perceive reality?
Would that not be better than full fascism?
Either way leads there eventually. You’ll see it soon enough.
I don’t understand what you could possibly mean by this comment. We, as in the American electorate, directly chose fascism. What the fuck do you mean that we will see it soon enough? We didn’t take the path you say also leads there eventually, the only way to tell where it leads is theory. We are never going to see the real world impacts of the choice we did not make.
Why not both.
The voters and especially the non-voters are to blame along with the politicians. Why shouldn’t they be responsible for voting against their own interests or sitting it out after having seen a Trump presidency?
Chaotic evil is more showy but that doesn’t mean that lawful evil isn’t also evil.
Na. It’s the Democrats politicians fault. Send more money to Israel.
See, they thought they could control him, like they did Reagan, and Bush Jr. Bush Sr. went along willingly.
But Trump is an overgrown 5 year old, and needs to feel he’s in charge. Like any typical narcissist.
Part of me wonder if this is worth saving. We need to start over.
All things end.
I just wish I wasn’t alive when it happened.
Where’s Thanos when we need him
A quick snap death would be preferable to what’s coming.
But bruh if u vote for third party, it’s a win for Donald Trump bruh.
It needs a new electoral system too.
Yep the one that farmers does not select president for whole United States and 6th largest economy of world aka California.
I think they bumped up to 5th recently
It’s a nice catch 22 innit
That was correct. Until the day the voting system changes, voting third party for anything national will be the same as not voting at all as far as results go. This isn’t good, it isn’t right, but it’s the world we live in and the system we are operating under.
It literally was.
Or, better idea, no parties like the founders intended
Man if only he could like vote to get rid of them or something. too bad he’s literally powerless and can’t do a thing to stop this. /s
He did vote against the Canadian tariffs actually. It’ll pass anyway though.
for the 2 decades, mitch mcconnel had the senate gop under his thumb
I might be excited if the Dems would do anything with their power.
If the 1920s really are repeating then, if we survive the Trump administration, we’ve got a modern version of the New Deal on the way.
And then an epic ass-whooping - only this time on the receiving end since we’re the baddies now.
Just give me high speed rail, dude. I want high speed rail SO BAD.
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They’ll help the rich as usual, how do you think we got here?
They’ll give the rest of the world a breather which will allow us to finish forming a new economic and strategic structure where the United States plays a substantially diminished role. After that it won’t matter whether the Republicans or Democrats are in power; at least not to most of the world.
What power? You fuckers didn’t vote them INTO power
Clearly you didn’t read the headline. Or reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit
Both you and Mitch McConnell are the reason he’s here
It’s insane to think that the same two partys remain in control in the US. Yet they call it democracy.
- I’m referring to the voters, and their lack of action when their main party ha proven useless. The ‘swing voters’ never seem to swing between anything other than those two.
Truman’s campaign against the “Do Nothing” Republicans is not the cause, but it’s when these huge majorities for Democrats got cemented in place for decades:
Isolationism is not dead. Far from it. Even if the Republicans get a presidential candidate with a good record in foreign affairs, he will not be able to drown out the raucous isolationist outcries of the rest of the party. And that prospect is beginning to scare the voters–and it ought to scare them.
Now, we can always rely on the Republicans to help us in an election year, but we can’t count on them to do the whole job for us. We have got to go out and do some of it ourselves, if we expect to win.
The first rule in my book is that we have to stick by the liberal principles of the Democratic Party. We are not going to get anywhere by trimming or appeasing. And we don’t need to try it.
The record the Democratic Party has made in the last 20 years is the greatest political asset any party ever had in the history of the world. We would be foolish to throw it away. There is nothing our enemies would like better and nothing that would do more to help them win an election.
I’ve seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn’t believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don’t want a phony Democrat. If it’s a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don’t want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.
But when a Democratic candidate goes out and explains what the New Deal and fair Deal really are–when he stands up like a man and puts the issues before the people–then Democrats can win, even in places where they have never won before. It has been proven time and again.-Harry Truman, Address at the National Convention Banquet of the Americans for Democratic Action, May 17, 1952
Sorry, best we can do is folks who hold up little signs that say “lies” during speeches.
But when a Democratic candidate goes out and explains what the New Deal and fair Deal really are–when he stands up like a man and puts the issues before the people–then Democrats can win, even in places where they have never won before. It has been proven time and again.
I wish that were true. I might have been in the past, but we have a full third of our population that will not vote for anyone but Trump and a full third that were told over and over about Project 2025 and the Drak Enlightment but stayed home for whatever reason. That left the rest of us yelling till our voices were hoarse.
Please the Democratic leadership, the DNC, the DCCC, the defacto “party leaders” like the Clintons and Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, RAHM EMANUEL…This element, these people, are at best conciliatory and at worst collaborators. Call them “phony Democrats”, call them whatever you want. I want them to fuck off.
There is a reckoning coming, I think, and neither the Republicans nor the establishment Democrats are going to like it much. There is already an apparent sea change in some critical contests, and the polling data and turnout has been literally unprecedented.
There’s a reason the only candidate drumpf is scared of is Bernie Sanders. My man does exactly what Truman suggested and it works.
Cute you think he’s scared of Bernie
I wish that were true
Besides the lame masculinity part (history is surely full of far more men who were cowards as leaders than women) it is true.
There are many reasons turn out was crap, primarily people didn’t want Biden shoved down their throat again and Harris didnt have the time or space to differentiate herself.
Would it were so.
Republicans hurt the country and our reputation more than help it.
It’s bad enough the only way America can save face now is to stop this.
He doesn’t give a shit about the mass starvation, shantytowns, global economic depression, and rise of Nazism into the largest war in human history that left hundreds of millions dead. No, he’s worried because his party wasn’t in power.
Fuck yourself with the largest, sharpest cactus that exists on the planet, you slimy, snivelling pathetic excuse for a fucking human, Rand Paul.
The largest war in human history, so far…
Oh no, what if democrats gain power and give us all healthcare and actually take care of the sick and poor. Wouldn’t that be terrible?
Oh no, what if democrats gain power and give us all healthcare and actually take care of the sick and poor. Wouldn’t that be terrible?
It would be unexpected.
Means they will have another go at undoing all that, is the circle of shit life.
The circle of sociopathy.
He doesn’t have a party, he follows money and his popularity with his crazy fuckin base. The Republican party bought him just like they bought Reagan and I’m still not sure how anyone could be fooled by the exact same playbook.
I read your first paragraph as a prediction of the future, until l realized that you were talking about the Great Depression and WWII.
“Those who ignore history, are doomed to repeat it” is supposed to be cautionary, but MAGA sees it as a game plan.
I wish American Voters had memories longer than 4 years. But they don’t.
They got pissed at Bush and the Republicans in 2006 for the war and in 2008 for crashing the economy.
And 2 years later in 2010 they voted in a red wave not seen since reconstruction.
Donald Trump tried to overthrow the government and 4 years later they gave him another chance. If Trump shot a crowd of people on 5th avenue the kids of the victims would vote for him 4 years later.
And they have the gall to say they’re voting that way “for the economy”
There were massive voter suppression campaigns in both those election cycles. And it doesn’t help that the neo Liberals highjacked the democratic party, marginalizing labor. People are not motivated to vote for the lesser of two evils.
People are not motivated to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Neoliberals and centrists need to get this through their firewall of condescencion towards leftists, no matter how much y’all hate leftists (and laugh at leftists with your more conservative friends) you need to understand the average person in the US hates you and your leaders far more than than they hate genuine leftists that actually fight for the working class instead of spitting on them and publicly calling them stupid.
Neoliberals and centrists need to get this through their firewall of condescencion towards leftists
It won’t. They benefit from corporate greed as much as the right does. They are enablers of fascism.
Leftists in America are a tiny minority that happens to be in a kingmaker role because the Dems and Repubs are nearly evenly matched. There is no vast silent majority of Leftists. You’re in an internet bubble.
YOU need to get onboard with OUR ideas.
Your ideas got us here. With democracy hanging by a thread because both the corporate Democrats and Republicans spent decades weakening the lower classes to enrich themselves. How many 70-80% approval rating policy idea have the Democrats spurned over the years because it would mildly inconvenience their mega donors in the short term?
Can you name any?
Democrats haven’t been in power for decades.
Decades? They had the presidency and both halves of Congress for the first two years under Obama and all they gave us was Mitt Romney’s health care plan. And again during the first half of Biden’s term.
The Democratic leadership keeps actively stopping attempts to corral the ability of congressmen to get rich off inside trading. They spent the whole campaign season last year supporting and assisting in a very public genocide. Trustbusting has basically been forgotten - we only have the illusion of choice in our much each industry from the media to even our food products are dominated by like 3-4 companies within it.
Whenever they do happen to get power, they do nothing with it, and then act surprised when they immediately lose it again.
They had the presidency and both halves of Congress for the first two years under Obama
They had a majority that could override Republicans for all of like 2 months
And again during the first half of Biden’s term.
Never had a supermajority, even though they did get a few epic bills in through some brilliant legislative maneuvering.
and all they gave us was Mitt Romney’s health care plan
Obamacare has saved literally thousands of lives and saved countless more from poverty inducing medical costs and you act like that’s nothing. It’s the single best piece of legislation in the last 50 years at least. And we did that with just a few months of power.
Anyway. For your actual specifics
The Democratic leadership keeps actively stopping attempts to corral the ability of congressmen to get rich off inside trading
Biden calls for ban on congressional stock trading - never taken up by Repub led Congress
Democrats make last-ditch effort to ban stock trading by lawmakers
- Opposed/blocked by Republicans in Congress
Trustbusting has basically been forgotten
FTC Sues Amazon for Illegally Maintaining Monopoly Power
United Health Lawsuit Named Among FTC’s Biggest Wins
Big Pharma Braces for More FTC Suits Over M&A Bound for Approval
Gaza I’ll give you. That’s really the only hugely popular (among non-republicans) issue they refused to support.
So I’m assuming you’re a liberal? Let’s hear these ideas, seriously.
Sure!
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All people are equal before the law. Discrimination is abhorrent, and people’s personal freedoms should be respected until they harm others. Liberals and Leftists pretty much agree 100% on this so I won’t spend more time on it.
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Capitalism is the most powerful social engine for beneficial progress that the world has ever seen, but we need to keep it under control. It’s like an engine - harnessed, throttled, and controlled explosive power to drive us forward at a manageable pace. Strong regulations, strong unions, progressive taxes, and heavy government incentives are the ways we keep capitalism under control. Currently, it is OUT of control and is doing far more harm than good.
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Taxes on the rich should be higher, loopholes should be closed, and enforcement should be stepped up. There’s no consensus on exactly how much higher, but they all agree they should be higher.
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At the same time, we recognize the potential economic effects of taxing the rich. If we’re not careful, they’ll just move their money elsewhere. So we want to raise taxes to the extent possible without triggering flight of the wealthy.
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Everyone deserves a minimum standard of living. Food, shelter, and healthcare are human rights and should be free for those who can’t afford it.
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Immigrants are good for the economy. Even the illegal ones. We should be making immigration easier.
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Climate change is real, is man-made, and it is our duty as humans to do our best to fix it. However, we can do so to a large extent without causing hardship among everyday people, by making intelligent changes upstream from consumers. We can have economic growth AND tackle climate change, if we’re smart about it.
Obviously, left-leaning liberalism is a wide-ranging ideology but these are the main ones that came to mind immediately. The biggest difference between liberalism and Leftism is that Leftists want to tear down capitalism and Liberals want to control it.
I’m into it. I do think capitalism has far overstayed its welcome. I agree with everything you’ve written here, I just see it as a stepping stone to socialism rather than an end goal.
Fair enough. I think a lot of Liberals view socialism (like no shit real “own the means of production” socialism, rather than European capitalist-lite socialism of today) the same way as me: it sounds nice, it just doesn’t seem to work very well in practice. But hey if we can get it to work, neat. In the mean time, let’s get capitalism under control.
This is what a lot of young leftists hand wave away
Everyone deserves a minimum standard of living. Food, shelter, and healthcare are human rights and should be free for those who can’t afford it. - Immigrants are good for the economy. Even the illegal ones. We should be making immigration easier.
Taking in infinite immigrants and providing food shelter and healthcare for them and their lineage until the end of time ALONG WITH all of the disadvantaged citizens is not economically sustainable. You’d effectively be turning the U.S. into the world’s homeless shelter. At some point, likely sooner than later, all the raised taxes in the world on the businesses that don’t leave won’t be enough to care for everyone.
I’m all for compassion but it has to be reasoned compassion. You can’t just look at what your version of Utopia is and say that’s what we should do. Humanity is not perfect and neither will any society it builds be. But at the same time we can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good, and so we engage in these discussions.
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Democracy will not save us. People that won’t vote unless they fall in love can fall out of love much more easily.
Do vote, it’s low effort and it can make a marginal difference. Just make your plans assuming you party will lose and if they win they will disappoint.
Your treating this as if the same people are voting different ways. It’s usually much more along the lines of voters staying home one election and voting in another.
Edit - autocorrect got naughty!
Keep in mind that the voting system itself is rigged. States with lower populations tend to have more representation per capita due to the Electoral College. This biases everything towards red states.
And that doesn’t even get at the decades of gerrymandering…
EC needs to go away, too.
I’ve stopped believing there is anything that will make people stop voting Republican
Lack of elections could….
How’s that for government efficiency?! Don’t even have to vote anymore.
I’m thinking the breadlines will probably manage.
Breadlines?.. Have you been paying attention to the actions of the last decades? They even arrest church staff for feeding homeless people.
No. They just want people to die in the gutter.
Yeah, this time around there will be no government assisted breadlines cause this government is ineffectual at best and outright malicious at worst.
With the current price of bread? Nah, it will be Soylent protein bars this time around (the green ones are the best!).
How does it taste?
Breadlines ? That’s socialism. Can’t have that…
Certainly not for the folks who just think they are Republicans like it’s a racial identity or something. That’s some shit I can’t understand.
Notice that’s their top concern. Not hurting Americans, not pissing off allies, not a recession, not handing off the title of World Superpower to China, but losing their jobs is their top concern.
*losing power over others not just theor jobs
not handing off the title of World Superpower to China
They put in the hours. Maybe they’ve fucking earned it. But if it makes you feel any better, most of the BRICS are rocketing upwards and positioned to match or eclipse the US by the end of the century. That’s just what happens when you implement modern industrial policies under a more egalitarian social system. Spreading the wealth engages more of the population in high value productive activities that benefit the national economy in the long run.
After you’ve built a broadly productive economic engine, the only thing holding you back is the size of your productive population. At that point, policies like universal health care and efficient mass transit really start paying dividends.
It’s not like they needed us to fumble in order to take the trophy, but all the same we didn’t need to just hand them the ball and walk away.
Don’t threaten me with a good time!!!
Also, it’s a wheel. The Cons ruin the economy, voters get mad and vote Democrat, Democrat fixes economy, voters don’t like the spending even though it’s improving everything so vote Con, the Cons ruin the economy, ect ect so on and so forth
The Democrats get penalized for not fixing it fast enough or good enough.
This could be a super duper long play hustle. Where after 4 years they just lay down and then in 12 years they slip back in and really fuck shit up after the left can’t fix anything they have done.
By then AI will be in control, everyone will have elons chip in their brain and president baron will be choking kittens on the Whitehouse lawn to a stadium crowd while hologram kid rock plays the classics.
Look out for project 2037 mark my words
That’s the same everywhere, not just the US.
The right destroys what the left/center build so the left/center rebuild it and then the right destroys it again.
This is so true it hurts to read it.
Yeah, I find it kinda funny that the “great again” era that is constantly referenced is actually this era of loosing the House and the Senate that is specifically being refrenced now. Mate, you can’t have it both ways; do you want the house and the Senate and the House or do you want it to be “great again?”
Wouldn’t that be nice.
Nicer would be the utter destruction of the Republican Party, followed by a split between the Corporate Democrats and Progressives into two parties.
Or if the current R leadership becomes irrelevant, the Dems win for many terms in a row, and the new generation of Rs decide to appeal to the left by doing another party swap
So we’ll have like five progressives and the rest will be liberal corporate heels. We still won’t get anything useful. But at least we wouldn’t have republicans, so it’s better than nothing.
Corporate Dems need to go away too.
Sure is telling that his biggest worry is republicans losing power and not the sort of fucking depression that was the cause last time.
