Trump literally spouting hate, absurd deportation rhetoric, and insane tariffs while on the campaign.
I didn’t know he would do that!
It wasn’t supposed to ruin my life just the other Average American people!Republicans are the stupidest racists on the planet, they can’t even recognize when they’re about to get robbed after being told they’re going to get robbed by the robber.
Seeing a Hispanic Virginia citizen that voted for trump get arrested by ICE without warrant is the full circle stupidity that I’ve attributed to uncle Toms and log cabinors in the past. You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
It’s the same shit I see when “moderates” get all surprise Pikachu faced when the “fiscal conservatives” they wanted, piss on them with trickle down economics.
You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
They wanted to be a pick me; they were picked to be deported.
Yes, but don’t let your self righteousness turn a budding class war back into a culture war.
If Republican voters are suddenly waking up and thinking “this isn’t right” smacking them down with “this is what you voted for” is not going to help your cause.
“Yes, you’re right, this shouldn’t be happening and we should work together to stop it.”
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“A nazi walks into a bar, and is welcomed at a table by his nine friends. How many Nazis are at the table?” Anyone who sides with fascists, even tentatively or for differing reasons, is themselves still a fascist.
The German Nazis didn’t gain power purely from support of other nazis; they gained power largely from various other parties, business leaders, and wealthy elite, who thought the Nazis would be a useful tool they could use and control to their own ends. The “why” of their support is far less important than the fact of the support itself, and the fact those people were responsible for helping the Nazis commit their crimes.
There is a difference – his nine friends can still be shown the light.
No, they knew what it was. They just didn’t think it would affect them.
This right here. Dumbasses thought they were not on the list but it turns out they had just not gotten that far down the list yet.
Farmers didn’t realize they were the E in DEI
I never thought the leopards would eat my face!
after WW2 and the horrors of the Nazis came fully to light…people kept asking…how did the German people let this happen? how did they let it continue until disaster fell? how could they have allowed such cruelty and degradation to occur?
THIS was how. by not paying attention. by ignoring the growing inequities and terror going on in their midst. BY PRETENDING EVERYTHING WAS OK.
and now WE are doing the same. it’s easy to ignore right now…it isn’t TOO bad…not TOO many people are being affected…yet.
we need to stop ignoring and start paying attention to exactly what they are doing.
For real. And yet some ppl still thinks he’s 4d chessing even after all this sht.
I also blame the 90M eligible voters that abstained from the election. Think about that for a second. There were 13M more people that did nothing, than all of the people that voted for Trump.
Welcome to adulthood. Make a choice or one will be made for you. If you stand for nothing, then you’ll fall for anything.
I wonder what made the majority of those people not vote at all.
Ignorance. Willful or otherwise, there is no excuse when Trump was broadcasting his plans of dismantling our government to drive inequality and white supremacy.
Couldn’t have been successive gerrymandering, anti-voting laws, Democrats becoming Republican-Lite, increasing inflation, steadying wages, Democrats actively touting policies against the popular public mindset, Democrats failing to advertise their wins, Joe Biden going back on his word and waiting too long to drop out, Joe Biden and establishment Dems muting Kamala’s & Tim’s popular, progressive agenda, Joe Biden dropping out to force the least liked Californian politician to be the presidential front runner, Kamala literally saying she’s no different from Joe Biden, that we don’t have a federal holiday to allow all people the freedom to step away from the lifeline that is work to exercise their civic duty, on and on.
Nah, it wasn’t the system. People are just dumb.
And they are! Hell, I remember seeing interviews on Election Day where people still thought that it was Biden v. Trump. Even Trump forgot he wasn’t campaigning against Biden.
Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They could have accounted for all of these social issues, but establishment leadership doesn’t care for the working class if it means they still get their paycheck and their spotlight in Congress.
the yougov poll showed that it was because they didn’t want to be complicit w the gazan genocide
Which is pretty self-righteous, knowing full well that Trump has done for Netanyahu in his first term, and how he openly stated that Israel just needs to “finish the job.”
Trump: ‘Let lsrael finish the job’ in Gaza.
That was before the election. Also, everywhere I looked, experts were saying Trump would be worse for Palestinians. And now here we are. If people say they care about this issue, they had a duty to inform themselves about it. I just saw 2 articles about how Palestinian medics were handcuffed and executed. The 2nd was about Israeli snipers shooting children! Harris’ administration would have been far better for Palestinians. Plus, unlike Trump, she actually has the capacity of empathy and introspection. We could have pushed back on a lot of Pro-Israel policies and changed a lot. Guarantee it. Trump is worse.
Probably go a long way making the days we vote federal holidays.
Apathy? Laziness? Or are the evil Democrats that kept people from voting against fascism in the room with you right now?
Ill respect someone that voted 3rd party or drew a cock and balls on the ballot over someone who didn’t bother.
Honestly I don’t think I would. That means it’s someone who’s informed as well as has the means to vote, and decided to let trump take over again.
The democrats support the FPTP system as well, if they lose because of it I feel they deserve it.
Not American though, I voted for a 3rd party candidate in the UK election. I don’t think anything will change until we make them lose too many votes to other parties.
Meh, blame the game, not the player. If someone wants to vote third party that’s their democratic right under the system. If you don’t like it fight for change to runoff voting.
Edit: hate it all you like, your system allows you to vote third party, so don’t be surprised when people do.
Inb4 people come here to defend their self-righteousness. No, nephews. You made a stupid choice for stupid reasons, and it’s time to accept your core values are obnoxious and self-centered, and then shape up.
Same phrase applies to non voters and trumpanzees alike. You were lied to and you fell for it … simple as
100% agree. I don’t really care what their reasons for not voting Harris was.
If they abstained from voting because of Israel, or her affiliation with the prison industrial complex, if it was something ignorant like skin color or gender, or if they voted against her because they either supported Trump, or just always voted Republican no matter what.
Trump voters and non voters decided that the worlds largest military should be long to fascists.
I have no respect for people who whine that this is not what they voted for, because it was. Ignorance is no excuse.
If you regret your actions, NOW is the time to make up for it. Become politically active, speak up, inform your friends, do SOMETHING!
If you didn’t vote for Harris in 2024, and you are not yet politically active against republicans, you deserve the bullets coming in your civil war.
So fucking glad i am not American.
nonvoters, tautologically, decided nothing.
Non-voters decided it wasn’t worth it to them to vote against fascism.
That makes fascism very much their fault too.
the democratic party decided they wanted trump to win the primary in 2016, when do they get blamed?
I blame them all the time too. The chair of the DNC had to step down because of their corruption in Bernies primary, but the courts ruled it wasn’t technically against any laws, so Hillary Clinton straight up hired her to run her campaign after that.
Its grotesque. But it doesn’t change the fact that anyone who didn’t vote for Harris in 2024 voted for fascism.
You should really ask yourself why so many people just didn’t see the point in voting.
Voting doesn’t always mean you 100% agree with the party you are voting for. Sometimes it means that you vote for the least bad option to prevent system collapse. I say this as a South African whose only voting goal for years was to prevent the ANC from getting a sufficiently high majority to be able to change the constitution. We came insanely close a few times but made it through.
Not voting in the US election was a choice, a choice not to stand against Trump. So anyone who didn’t think Trump was bad enough to vote against, doesn’t get to blame the GOP for what’s happening.
All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.
That is a fair point, but for this to happen, there must have been a fair few who just didn’t see much difference between the two parties.
If they honestly thought both parties were equally bad, then they’re getting what they expected - an untrustworthy political party that doesn’t represent their values. I trust they’re feeling sufficiently vindicated.
And then think about how the Democrats could have campaigned those people rather than chasing Republicans by adopting anti-immigration policies and platforming people like Liz Cheney, for example.
But they didn’t.
Welcome to adulthood. Establishment politicians, whether Republican or Democrat, are beholden to the rich and neoliberalism. We’re even seeing this with how establishment Dems are pushing back against populist, progressive figures like Bernie Sanders and AOC in favor of Cory Booker and Chris Murphy.
AND then consider how Joe Biden is coming back from the brink of death by saying that he and Jill will build back the Democratic party, thinking that people will forget how Biden shot down Bernie’s chances in 2020 or how he said he’d be a single term president, waiting until the first presidential debate with Trump months before the election to show just how fucking incompetent he is.
Maybe more people abstained from this election because the two biggest parties didn’t look any different, so who cares about the outcome!
here’s another useful one
It was never a paradox.
You just need to acknowledge that there is a limit to how tolerant the world can be. Maybe it is at 100% but there is a limit.
Then you just need to show that tolerance towards e.g. Nazism result in less tolerance than being intolerant to it.
Lol. The Paradox of Tolerance is on par with the Libertarian Non-aggression Principle. Purely academic, purely subjective and, ironically, a moral imposition.
the paradox of tolerance is […] Purely academic
Yes? That’s kinda the point of a thought experiment ? Do you think the trolley problem is less than “purely academic”? Or that Schrodinger actually put a cat in a box?
There are many people, like OP, that see things like the paradox of tolerance as some nouveau morality. It presents itself under the guise of being peaceful and tolerant when it is really a moral subjectivists justification for violence. It is dishonest and so are it’s proponents.
The people who voted for Trump are only angry that they are being hurt. Even if they read Project 2025, they’d assume they’d be exempt and that it’d only hurt the right people.
There is no reason to engage in smug gloating to shame them into repenting or trying to gently reason with them. You shouldn’t even be talking to them. You should seek to undermine them at every level possible. They need to be kneecapped.
Always discuss topics with unlike-minded people. Every one persuaded even a little is a win. Discussing only with like-minded people is an echo chamber.
I do discuss and argue with unlike minded people. I just do not do so with MAGA people.
Not because I think MAGA are hopeless, there might be a very very small portion of them that is swayable back to sanity via discussion. I refuse to talk to them and advocate more people do the same because I think doing so legitimately does more harm than good on average. For every MAGA you convert to moderation you further legitimize the beliefs in 99 other MAGA by engaging with them in good faith and even put your own safety at risk on multiple levels.
Admittedly, I also legitimately really fucking hate them. I’d be lying if there wasn’t a void in me that couldn’t be filled with MAGA people suffering or even dying at this point. The antipathy I feel is extraordinarily and irrationally intense.
It’s not so black and white. Hear me out: I’m strong against the MAGAs and not impressed with the reps either but I’ve been noticing something interesting happening:
I think there’s a difference between people who voted republican (conservatives) who legitimately believed a lie or just saw what they wanted to see(single issue voters) and MAGA who knew it was a lie and deeply corrupt.
You can see more refined polarizing on the level of what is happening right now on the judiciary branch. It is Republican judges that are holding Trump at bay in the crazy executive orders and illegal and constitutional crisis at the moment.
These judges were Republicans appointed by Bush.
And it’s the MAGAs that are screaming “DEM JUDGES” without first checking the flags on their trojan horse before doing so. Which is really just outing themselves to the republican voting base. I think the republicans are realizing they were a shill. and yes, i am with you that they shouldn’t be all “leopards ate my face” about it and so much of that is that they were complacent while the MAGAs were making open insults to minorities right in front of them.
That said, I think icing them out is not useful. I’m liking how the Dems are stepping up in the ruby red states and flipping seats. They are not icing them out and instead, using the strength of vote. Cuz yeah: republicans do vote. They just need to be led. at this point it’s to be lead away from their own slaughter and detriment and lessening the impact of damage that this caused(for everyone). Cuz like it or not, their votes do change the tide along with the Dems who vote.
There’s also those who whine but refuse to vote over casual excuses that hopefully this is a wakeup call for. I still hate them more deeply than anyone else for this happening. Well maybe on par with how much I hate MAGATs who spew pure toxicity at anyone who gets in their way of blindly “hurting libs” to everyone’s detriment. Cuz sitting by and expecting everyone to save their asses while they doomglare about everything and take up space is passing their self burdening as someone else’s problem.
I think there’s a difference between people who voted republican (conservatives) who legitimately believed a lie or just saw what they wanted to see(single issue voters) and MAGA who knew it was a lie and deeply corrupt.
I honestly don’t think we should differentiate. Republican leadership in the house and senate have done nothing to stand against Trump and MAGA, and have completely facilitated this mess. Differentiating between “MAGA” and “Republicans” just gives them an out later. MAGA is Republican, and Republicans are MAGA, at least at the policy level.
The Republican party needs a dramatic shift away from utterly insane and corrupt politics and behavior, and that’s only going to happen with a heavy amount of pressure from their base and elsewhere. They don’t deserve leniency in this.
Not only did they vote for this.
A lot a lot of them only voted for trump on the ballot and no downticket names or state questions.
They literally voted for specifically this.
A lot a lot of them only voted for trump on the ballot and no downticket names or state questions.
Very typical voting pattern, nothing out of the ordinary there…
Yeah there’s a very specific district in Nevada that had like 30% drop off on down ticket. Oh weird swing district.
you’re preaching to the choir.
Even if they didn’t read project 2025.
Just like covid, we had the 1/3 sane portion of the population that tried to warn the idiotic 1/3 while they refused to listen.
It’s one thing to be uninformed, it’s another to demonize (yes they did) people who are trying to help you.
And then there’s the 1/3 that didn’t even bother to get off the couch and participate.
What about the idiots who chose to stay home and not vote at all. They may not have voted for it, but they weren’t voting against it either, and ambivalence in the face of fascism is tacit support.
245 millions could’ve voted, 90 millions didnt vote, 77 millions voted for trump.
68% of people either didn’t care about fascism or wanted it.
Dear americans, wtf happened. Where were you.
They were programmed through the magic of Designer Outrage™ that unless there is zero genocide happening in Palestine¹, they and everyone else should abstain from voting.
¹ Ukraine was not mentioned because they couldn’t give a shit about the atrocities committed elsewhere as long as they could disrupt the election in America.
That was a very small percentage of voters. Most Americans didn’t care about Palestine and just believed Trump’s promises to fix the economy.
They are every bit as responsible as Trump voters.
only the people who voted for a candidate are responsible for electing that candidate.
If you saw someone about to get raped on your sidewalk, and you just went inside without defending them or calling 911, don’t you realized you helped FACILITATE the rape? Not voting is facilitating the other votes to matter more.
so by not voting, they made the Democrats votes worth more, too.
Correct, but you can make the “better side” votes count more than the “worse side” votes by participating. Sitting on your couch and not absolutely includes you in fault of the worse side winning, just like the rape scenario you didn’t comment on.
I am not responsible for the bad behavior of others.
no, you’re just responsible for not standing against the worse side, or can you still not tell which side is worse?
As a citizen, hopefully of good conscience and morals, you ARE responsible for NOT doing good when you can. We all are, no matter how many downvotes you collect by arguing against this common sense fact.
I and many others have tried to explain this to you people so many times that I don’t have the patience for it anymore, so I’m not going to take the bait.
But you’re wrong.
saying doesn’t make it true.
Cool! And denying it doesn’t make it not true.
it’s tautological that votes for a candidate are what elect the candidate.
Denying it doesn’t make it untrue.
Don’t worry, you can take the path of the president you didn’t vote for, yet helped elect and deny responsibility for your own actions. Like at work when they ask you if you’d rather work all weekend without pay or with pay, and you don’t want to work the weekend at all so you just let everyone else decide for you. It may not be the best move, but it’s the best move you can bring yourself to commit to.
I and many others have tried to explain this
And you all fail every time because you’re just wrong
Tell me, the millions of people who didn’t vote in California, who did they “vote” for by being silent, given the fact the electoral votes of that state went Dem, as everyone knew would happen?
If non-voters are equally as responsible as voters (a stupid notion to begin with but let’s roll) then you have to take into account where those voters were or you’re obviously just looking to blame people
Did you miss the part where I said I’m not taking the bait?
you don’t know that the nonvoters aren’t doing something, possibly something even more effective than voting. at least you seem to be acknowledging that they’re likely good people, anyway.
They should at least give us a sign, that they are doing something, by now, I mean, would appreciate that, hope is needed now, more than ever, not?
given the vitriol I’ve seen here, I don’t know why they would want to talk to Democrats at all
those damn democrats, yelling about how tmurp’s going to destroy the country, then telling everyone who voted for them they voted for a guy who’s destroying the country. Damn their eyes, don’t they see that our symbolic gesture made us feel like we were above it, all the way until inauguration day?
Hu? I was not talking about democrats??
I mean he’s a convinced felon. I do t get why anyone would any need to read anything else
convicts can reform and become better people.
that said, he has never shown the abilities of remorse, regret, empathy, integrity, or public servitude.
don’t judge a man on what he does, because outward appearances are what they want you to see.
judge him on things he doesn’t do.
he doesn’t tell the truth, he doesn’t help those in need, he doesn’t stop corruption, he doesn’t protect the constitution, he doesn’t protect America.
if you have family that supports him, ask them why he doesn’t do these things. then ask them if they believe these are qualities that every American should strive to emulate.
we need to start treating them like they treat us. lie, cheat, and steal from them. their kindness only deserves to be returned in full.
Given that most felons are people convicted of drug crimes and targeted because of their race, I’d say that many if not most don’t even require reform. I’d probably rather spend time with most felons than most CEOs.
We should forgive drug “use” crimes, but not drug “distribution” crimes. Those people destroy families and communities.
Gifting a friend a gram is a distributing crime as well…
You’re correct but, I like to use both what they do and don’t do 🤷♂️
Wait- aren’t those the same thing in a way? 🤔
Yes, those are the same thing. The person you’re replying to makes some good points, but in a word-salad way.
They’re confusing something the president didn’t do as a non-action, but “not telling the truth” = “lying”.
I think (hope) what they were trying to say was the common saying, something like, “Judge someone more on what they do than what they say.” For example, if a president says “protect America”, like who wouldn’t want that? But when what they “do” is deport legal, non-criminal immigrants who have valid work and school visas, that is what you should be watching.
they are but they aren’t. for example.
two people stand in front of you.
person A tells half truths.
person B tells half lies.
which will you trust more?
technically both are doing the same amount of lying but person B is actively lying to you by including false information while person A is not telling you the whole truth by omitting it.
I think the “half truths” make it a less apt comparison but I think using that riddle is a really good way to think about it!
“Trump’s all talk. He’s not going to do that.”
“Oh shit. He’s doing all that stupid shit.”
If the US is following Project 2025 that means they really will have 3% cap on money supply growth?
The goal on the tariffs is really to erode foreign tariffs and allow unadulterated actual free trade between countries?
I read it and those two stood out to me the most.
