Kids were killed but the chat leak was funny and that’s what has been the people talk about instead.
Imagine being the poor family, who is stuck living in Yemen because they cannot afford to relocate, whose kid has died by Trump’s bombing. Then all you see in the news about how they joked with emojis in chat killing your kid. “Oh your kid was killed in that emoji airstrike.” Tell me why the fuck you would grow up anything but radicalized.
That’s because anyone who has been paying attention to geopolitics over the last two years knows why the US is bombing Yemen…
The amount of times Republicans said “we killed terrorists” during the congressional hearing, without even once considering that the 53 fatalities from an indiscriminate air strike likely included innocent civilians, is revolting.
With US track record a majority if not all of those 53 people were civilians
This is why the US and Israel get along so famously 👍
If you kill 1 terrorist and 52 civilians, um no you didn’t, they were all terrorists. Problem solved.
#murder #justkillin
In the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US labeled any “military aged male” casualty as an “enemy combatant” even if there was absolutely zero evidence they were.
You’ve also just cemented the idea that the West is evil in the families and friends of those 52 innocent people, thereby ensuring a steady supply of fresh new “terrorists”.
And the global war on terror continues forever, and “defense” budgets increase forever. All as planned.
Killing 52 civilians to get one terrorist seems like a bit of a fuck up though.
yeah that’s because that’s not what happened, there were multiple targets, not just one. that signal chat directly mentions “mutliple targets”, it could be 5 it could be 15. if goldberg stayed in this chat maybe we’d know how many exactly
weapons mix suggests that at least some of these were chosen to limit collateral damage (two F18 sorties, Tomahawks launched - these could be used against hardened targets, like bunkers or caves, and targeting shifted from weapons to leadership, but probably not completely - but also drones, and drones can’t carry heavy weapons like F18 can)
As proven by the fact that the young men related to those 52 people all joined terrorist organizations after the fact.
Both are really serious problems in their own right, one’s just a little closer to home
For me at this point it’s just a matter of surprise.
I expect the US to bomb everywhere that isn’t Japan, North America, European Union, or Israel
Hell I’m shocked they aren’t throwing bombs at Australia because Elon Musk sent a vaguely worded email that implied it.
The reason why I SEEM to care more about the phones than the bombs, is because “US bombing innocent people? Sounds like a Tuesday… but damn how did we elect someone so incompetent that I find out about the specifics?”
Political context courtesy of the Arab Center in Washington DC:
TL;DR: The Houthis are backed by Iran, in direct regional competition to Saudi Arabian (and subsequently US) interests, and the war in Yemen is a direct result of 10 years worth of failed intervention by the Saudis.
Excerpt:
Exactly a decade ago, Saudi Arabia announced the launch of a military intervention in Yemen, promising to lead a coalition of more than 10 nations—although some would later end their participation—against the Houthi armed group, officially known as Ansar Allah, that had taken over power from President Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi. Backed by the United States, Britain, and other Western states with arms and shared intelligence, on March 26, 2015, the Saudi coalition commenced airstrikes on Houthi-controlled areas, initiating a conflict that would drag on for years. Riyadh’s initial expectation of a swift, six-week military operation to defeat the Houthis became a prolonged and costly entanglement that has tested Saudi Arabia’s ability to impose its will on its neighbor and to force the Houthis to give up their control over a large part of Yemen. Intervention Inception
Saudi Arabia’s rationale for intervention shifted over time as the conflict unfolded. At the outset, it cast the intervention as a direct response to President Hadi’s urgent appeal to the Gulf states and their international allies that he conveyed in a letter to the UN Security Council in March 2015. Hadi called for states “to provide immediate support in every form and take the necessary measures, including military intervention, to protect Yemen and its people from the ongoing Houthi aggression.” The Saudis initially conceived of the intervention as a decisive effort to reinstate Yemen’s legitimate government in the capital Sanaa. As the situation progressed, Saudi Arabia reframed its objective as restoring Yemen’s political process within the framework of the Gulf Cooperation Council Initiative, which in 2011-2012 facilitated the transfer of power from former President Ali Abdullah Saleh to Hadi.
The core rationale behind Saudi Arabia’s intervention, however, stemmed from its perception of the Houthis as an Iranian proxy on the kingdom’s border. Riyadh feared that Iran’s influence through the Houthis posed a direct threat to the kingdom’s regional dominance and interests. The kingdom saw the Houthi takeover of Sanaa not just as a challenge to Yemen’s stability but as a potential game changer in the broader Middle East power dynamics. In this context, Saudi Arabia framed its military intervention as a necessary response to protect its own security and regional influence.
Riyadh feared that the Houthis posed a direct threat to the kingdom’s regional dominance and interests.
But while Saudi Arabia believed Iran to be the principal force behind the Houthi takeover, the extent of Iranian influence over the group at the time was, in fact, relatively limited. Although the Houthis depended on Iranian military and logistical support, particularly for weaponry and strategic advice, they were not fully under Iran’s control. Iran, while capable of advising the Houthis on strategic and policy matters, lacked the leverage to dictate their actions. Rather, local factors such as longstanding tribal rivalries in Yemen, the Houthis’ longtime opposition to the central government, and their pursuit of greater political power, were more influential in shaping the Houthis’ behavior. The Houthi alliances with former President Saleh and certain factions of the Yemeni military also played a crucial role in the group’s rise. In other words, Iran’s influence was significant, but it was not all-encompassing, as the Houthis had their own political and strategic goals. Nonetheless, Riyadh persisted in portraying the Houthis as a tool of Iranian expansionism. Paradoxically, Saudi Arabia’s prolonged antagonism may have ultimately strengthened Iran’s influence, as it pushed the Houthi armed group to deepen its reliance on Iranian military and logistical support.
This guy says that like “bombing Yemen” isn’t a de facto tradition for U.S. presidents. I’m pretty sure every president since Clinton has bombed Yemen at some point during their term. It’s old hat. It’s not news. It was Tuesday.
Like, sure, it’s terrible and no one will deny that, but we’ve been doing it for 20+ years. This? This clownfuckery? This was new.
Their flag literally says “Death to America” on it.
God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
Curse be upon the Jews
Victory to Islam
For anyone who did not click the link.
Their user name literally says “friend_of_satan” on it
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It is so normal nobody even mentioned the innocent lives being lost as colleteral damage at the hearing
Unfortunately it’s always been the case for as long as humans have had war that the civilian casualty ratio is around 50% to 90%.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
Edit: Apparently the 90% figure is a myth. According to the wiki it’s much more likely to be 50% to 60%.
Maybe we could try not doing that
That sounds like loser talk
/s
How? Armed conflicts sometimes happen, and I’ve yet to see a working plan which doesn’t endanger any civilians.
Good point. Let’s just not do war altogether
Well what are you going to do when some murderous prick like Putin or indeed Trump comes knocking? Give up?
Maybe we should only fight when we have something worth defending. If it’s our murderous prick vs their murderous prick, we should give up because who cares, what difference does it make? But if one side is actually helping people in material ways and the other is a murderous prick, then there’s actually something worth fighting for.
Or to put it another way, “No war but class war.”
We should use assassination markets to pay their own men to kill them.
Bush and Obama did it too. Historically, it’s been a targeted killing thing against Al-Qaeda (or so they have said), with whatever government they have, giving their blessing. If other sites are correct, Trump did it more, but it’s kinda hard to pick nits there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Yemen
That’s why a lot people are more upset over the lack of operational security than the action itself. They’re not conducting themselves in a way that keeps our country safe, They skirting monitoring and can’t even get that right.
There was no civil war in Yemen when GWB was in office. We attacked Al Qaeda in Yemen after Al Qaeda attacked the USS Cole in 2000. This is unrelated to any current conflict
The Yemeni civil war starts under Obama. The Houthis instigate the civil war.
Biden too, a year ago, which liberals seem very quick to forget:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics/read-biden-statement-airstrikes-houthis-yemen/index.html
Which was due to them attacking innocent cargo ships
Because it is controlled by the Houthis, Islamist terrorists threatening global trade, overthrowing a quasi-friendly government and REINSTITUTING SLAVERY.
The United States government just sold over 200 people, without trial, into slavery in El Salvador. And the US explicitly allows slavery as part of its own prison system. The US has a large number of legal slaves.
I don’t think people understand just how fucking MASSIVE that bullshit is. Any credibility that the US had in human rights is long gone.
What turn is doing is what the original filibusters did prior to the civil war. Basically considering chattel slavery such an important part of their ‘liberty’ ideal that they wanted to spread it to places where slavery had been abolished. Like the carribbean and Central America.
Yes, and how does that justify anything? I don’t understand this logic at all, the US being bad doesn’t make the Houthi slavers good. Slavery is wrong regardless of who does it.
It doesn’t justify anything. What it does do is point out the absurdity of arguing that the Huthis deserved to be bombed due to slavery. If they deserve to be bombed, so do we.
They’re not threatening global trade, they’re fulfilling their obligation under international law to prevent genocide by blocking ships of countries that are aiding genocide.
It’s a wonder people on Lemmy don’t understand why their politics are unpopular, when they openly support slave holding terrorists attacking civilian ships.
And yet I will bet you nobody supporting the Houthis will ever win an election.
No, the ICJ has ruled that it is plausible.
And there it is, Zionist genocide denial
It’s a genocide
Israel's Genocide on Occupied Palestine
- De-Gaza: A Year of Israel’s Genocide and the Collapse of World Order - Euro-Med Monitor Report see Chapter 2 and 3
Our first-hand observations of the medical and humanitarian catastrophe inflicted on Gaza are consistent with the descriptions provided by an increasing number of legal experts and organizations concluding that genocide is taking place in Gaza.
- Doctors Without Borders: Life in the death trap that is Gaza
It examines the killing of civilians, damage to and destruction of civilian infrastructure, forcible displacement, the obstruction or denial of life-saving goods and humanitarian aid, and the restriction of power supplies. It analyses Israel’s intent through this pattern of conduct and statements by Israeli decision-makers. It concludes that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.
- Amnesty: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Revealed Through Evidence and Analysis Video and Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territory: ‘You Feel Like You Are Subhuman’: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Report
On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.
The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.
An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that “Israel’s genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole” as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.
I, Lee Mordechai, a historian by profession and an Israeli citizen, bear witness in this document to the situation in Gaza as events are unfolding. The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza. I explain why I chose to use the term below. Israel’s campaign is ostensibly its reaction to the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, in which war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed within the context of the longstanding conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that can be dated back to 1917 or 1948 (or other dates). In all cases, historical grievances and atrocities do not justify additional atrocities in the present. Therefore, I consider Israel’s response to Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7 utterly disproportionate and criminal.
Nowhere in there does the ICJ label it genocide.
What lead them to be on position to be able to do such a thing?
Who helped to stabilise the previous gov & infrastructure (hospitals) … and stopped overnight destabilising the country early pre-covid?
its something that would benefit russia so it was either russia or us
That is a different topic not relevant for the current discission.
I don’t know, but I presume the answer is us.
But that doesn’t mean it is at all reasonable to just let them shoot at our boats and, I reiterate, REINSTITUTE SLAVERY.
our boats
Everyone’s boats
Not everyone’s boats, just the ones of countries facilitating genocide, as they are obligated to under international law. They’re not touching Chinese boats, Iranian boats, Turkish boats, etc.
They are targeting indiscriminately. You might hear otherwise from their statements, but the reality is they don’t seem to have capacity to distinguish
Edit: this has happened numerous times and there is plenty of evidence. Sorry it’s your heroes commiting atrocities
Boats marked with a specific country are not strictly captained, crewed, or even owned by individuals from that country.
They aren’t targeting boats based on their flags, nor their captain, nor their crew, nor their ownership, but based on their connection to Israel.
The houthis aren’t exactly the best representatives of the movement but still, this issue would be better solved by stopping arms shipments to israel and pushing them to a ceasefire towards a permanent peace. The houthis have shown that they will stop there attacks when the bombs stop dropping on gaza with this last ceasefire.
These strikes don’t do shit besides hardening the antagonism against the west in Yemen. Ask Saudi Arabia, you can’t take out the houthis with bombs. This is just a way for trump to flex his arms and act like a tough guy.
I do not trust murderous terrorist slavers to keep their word. And even if I did, the mere fact that there are attacking our people is more than justification enough to blow them to Hell.
That doesn’t solve the issue, you blow up one terrorist and five civilians then the brothers/fathers of those five civilians become terrorists. The only thing blowing them up does, besides making the leaders and the people of the u.s. feel tough, is enrich the weapons industry.
We bombed Afghanistan for more then a decade and the taliban still control Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia bombed the houthis for years and they now control Yemen, Israel has leveled gaza and hamas is still in control.
YOU CANT BOMB AWAY TERRORISTS.
So you propose we just let ourselves be attacked?
No, I’m proposing that we push our client state Israel to stop bombing gaza so the attacks will stop. That’s the only way to stop them from attacking us, because again, bombing them won’t stop them, it’ll just fuel further conflict.
Also we arent being attacked, no one in u.s. territory has been harmed, ships in a war zone are being attacked. Are you proposing that we blow the hell out of anyone that killed an american in a war zone? Because Israel has killed American citizens in its war on gaza, so has hamas, should we just carpet bomb the whole area to show we mean business?
First of all, that comparison is bullshit and you know it. The Houthis are purposefully attacking American citizens abroad.
Second of all, I disagree that destroying their capabilities to attack would accomplish nothing and I have no sympathy for genocidal, rape happy slaver terrorists, so you aren’t tugging on my heartstrings by talking about carpet bombings.
Thirdly, as I mentioned, they’re genocidal slaver terrorists. So I do not trust them.
Fourth, this is why any politician supported by Lemmy is obviously going to fail. You have no conception of what normal people think is acceptable. For example: the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think, “We should give these people what they want.”
Explain to me how Israel blowing up a food aid convoy is different then the houthis attacking merchant ships.
oh but that was an accident, they didn’t know the truck with there logo that reported there location to the idf was an aid truck. That’s not there stated policy to blow up aid trucks.
Israel has implemented a full blockade of Gaza since the ceasefire ended. So if an American tried to drive an aid truck across the Gaza border, Israel would blow it up. That’s currently just a threat, and they haven’t done that, but the houthis haven’t attacked a ship since the ceasefire, they only threatened to which is what prompted this strike.
Are all Yemeni rape happy slavery terrorists? Because these bombings are pretty indiscriminate, a majority of the people are civilians. This latest strike was on an apartment building, not some secret houthi military base. They killed a couple terrorist leaders that will be easily replaced, while killing substantially more civilians.
the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think “we should give these people what they want”
All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.
This isn’t just giving them what they want, the large majority of the world wants a ceasefire in gaza, look at the UN votes. If everyone in the world supports reducing pollution you don’t turn that around and say north Korea and the taliban want to reduce pollution, and we can’t let them get anything they want so we should pollute more. That’s the height of reactionary, oppositional politics that destroys any progress and solidarity.
Ah yes, the moderate “kill them all” approach
They attacked us. My heart does not bleed.
Hopefully it does soon.
A tankie resorting to violence in immediate reaction to a political disagreement?
Must be a day ending in “Y.”
They overthrew Gaddafi when he was the only thing preventing slavery from returning, and the allies of the West now have open slave markets in Libya.
Non sequitur.
The point: they do not give a fuck about slavery. They are in support of it.
I did not say anything about who care about what. My point what that all these professed leftists siding with slavers is bullshit.
“siding with slavers” is supporting people not getting bombed in this instance.
you people are bloodthirsty maniacs who will use the flimsiest of claims to justify your thirst for human suffering.
“They attacked us” is flimsy?
Houthis did not reinstate slavery. The “legitimate” Yemeni government that the Houthis are rebelling against reinstituted slavery
Incorrect. While the ousted government often overlooked slavery due to corruption, the Houthis have expanded as part of their interpretation of the Quran, one shared by other nutbags like Boko Haram and Daesh.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/yemen/
I’m sure the pro-genocide us state department wouldn’t lie
Whereas the pro-genocide Houthis are totally beyond reproach.
Why do you assume that the US gov is more trustworthy than the Houthis? After all the horrible shit the US gov has done what will it take for you to stop believing it when it tells you that it’s the good guy and the people it’s fighting are the bad guys.
First of all, the State Department document is just one of a variety of reports detailing the Houthi reintroduction of slavery.
Second of all, the fact you can’t actually attack the contents of the report and solely argue I shouldn’t believe it because you, personally, hate America undermines your argument.
Third, rape and slavery are not pasttimes in America, as they are in Houthi controlled Yemen.
America literally has penal slavery as legal within our constitution.
It’s not because I personally hate America, the US has been helping israel commit a genocide for over a year, apparently that isn’t enough for you to question their statements but it is more than enough for me
From the US State Department report:
Media reports referencing muhamasheen activists noted that while social castes and slavery were abolished in the 1960s, tribal justice systems reinforced historical patterns of discrimination. The most recent estimated number of victims of modern slavery in country remained the 2018 report by Walk Free, an NGO focused on ending modern slavery. Walk Free estimated there were 85,000 victims of modern slavery in the country, or 3.1 percent of the population, but that due to the impossibility of conducting surveys under conflict, data likely underestimated the problem. This broad category included forced labor and debt bondage, human trafficking, and forced and early marriage.
This is the Walk Free report mentioned, it’s referencing modern-day slavery and how vulnerable the population of Yemen is, the main being political instability. That same article shows Saudi Arabia as having over 4 times per capita more modern day slaves.
The only other article that mentions Slavery under the Houthis is Al-Awsat which is a state propaganda newspaper working at the behest of the Saudi Royal Family.
There is no mention of slavery in the 2024 HRW Report Or 2023 Amnesty Report
The Saudi puppet government that did institute slavery are what the Houthis fought and won against, and continue to face a US-Saudi genocide because of it. It’d certainly help to reduce modern day slavery if the entire population of Yemen wasn’t facing a genocide.
Quotes
Guterres put the crisis in stark perspective, emphasizing the near complete lack of security for the Yemeni people. More than 22 million people out of a total population of 28 million are in need of humanitarian aid and protection. Eighteen million people lack reliable access to food; 8.4 million people “do not know how they will obtain their next meal.”
Besides Saudi Arabia, the coalition attacking Yemen includes the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait and Bahrain. Qatar was part of the coalition but is no longer.
Based on the information available to it using open sources, YDP reports that two-thirds of the coalition’s bombing attacks have been against non-military and unknown targets. The coalition isn’t accidentally attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure – it’s doing it deliberately.
The air and naval blockade, in effect since March 2015, “is essentially using the threat of starvation as a bargaining tool and an instrument of war,” according to the UN panel of experts on Yemen.
The coalition’s genocide in Yemen would not be possible without the complicity of the U.S. This has been a bipartisan presidential effort, covering both the Obama and Trump administrations.
U.S. arms are being used to kill Yemenis and destroy their country. In 2016, well after the coalition began its genocidal assault on Yemen, four of the top five recipients of U.S. arms sales were members of the coalition.
The U.S. has also provided the coalition with logistical support, including mid-air refueling, targeting advice and support, intelligence, expedited munitions resupply and maintenance.
As of February 2018, according to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the coalition had killed 6,000 people in airstrikes and wounded nearly 10,000 more.
Yet, according to the OHCHR report, these counts are conservative. Tens of thousands of Yemenis have also died from causes related to the war. According to Save the Children, an estimated 85,000 children under five may have died since 2015, with more than 50,000 child deaths in 2017 alone from hunger and related causes.
US complicity in the Saudi-led genocide in Yemen spans Obama, Trump administrations
They’re brown and poor and our country is deep in the arms trade.
opens a post with question in the title that is lamenting that news don’t give any real answers and focus just on “trump bad” story.
all top comments are just “trump bad” and “all bad government” and has to scroll deep down to find an actual answer to the question posted.
leaves understanding much better why news don’t focus on context and give just emotional side stories.
One way to look at it: Yemen’s current conflict is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Put it another way, it’s their Vietnam
I mean, Houthis have been striking passing civilian ships with missiles and kidnapped people. Not terribly concerned they got shot back tbh.
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They’re not exactly bastions of freedom-fighting rebels against tyranny, they are a dark-age group of bigots and legitimate threats to worldwide infrastructure by attacking shipping lanes. Shipping lanes keep food and medicine moving around the world, it’s not just about the USA, most developed nations are supportive of responding to the Houthis with force.
edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no “good guy” in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don’t have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.
They stopped the blockade when there was a ceasefire in Gaza, then they started it up again when the ceasefire ended.
They are doing whatever they can to stop a “a dark-age group of bigots” (israel) from continuing it’s genocidal actions
My friend, that was between US and Iran and had NOTHING to do with Gaza, the Houthis were proxy players and as a result were treated like pawns. Seriously, read up on events and understand that what we’re told is never the truth.
Then why did the blockade stop and start at the same time ceasefire started and ended
Also: iran also wants the genocide to end
The real “dark-age bigots” are the people who don’t want to end the genocide
Read up on the “blockade” and Houthis’ history and you will see a performative stunt funded by Iran and Houthis willing to do anything to get international attention.
NONE of them care about the genocide, if you believe they do, you’ve fallen for the whole pile of bullshit. There is a naive desire to seek out allies in the face of a horrific situation, but there are no allies. (I mean, unless all Americans decided to work together and marched on washington demanding action and removal of our current so-called administration, but we can’t even get our own progressive side to stop arguing about if the Houthis are “bad or good” so I don’t have much hope that anyone is going to do more than bitch at each other on the internet while people continue to die needlessly for no other reason than humans are too easily swayed by emotional appeals one way or another.)
If you translate any of this as anti-semitism you are a moron who belongs on Trump’s cabinet.
Then WHY did the blockade stop and start at the same time ceasefire started and ended.
Doing anything you can to bring international attention to a genocide is not only a good thing, it is every country’s duty under international law
Because Iran was paying them. Please read the actual story. I cannot be a current events professor here, repeating the same shit doesn’t change the story, Houthis are not your heros.
This mf spittin.
Then why did the blockade stop and start at the same time ceasefire started and ended
LITERALLY specifically to fool low-information people like you.
Source?
Oh, honey
US and Iran and had NOTHING to do with Gaza
Iran is US enemy only because it objects to Israel policies.
That’s not really true. The US staged a coup in Iran in the 50’s to take their oil and give power to the shah, and during the Iranian revolution, Carter allowed the same shah to take refuge in the US (against the advice of foreign policy advisors like Kissinger). This outraged the Iranians who assumed that the US was preparing to reinstall him in another coup, leading them to seize the US embassy and take hostages, causing a breakdown of relations. The US went on to support Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Israel is a major factor, but there’s a lot of bad blood besides that, mostly because of the CIA’s actions (which were motivated by oil).
Yeah the reason Iran hates us is we killed there democracy and overthrew there very popular president. Because of Communist Allegations which weren’t true in the slightest.
100%.
Iran had no problem with America, it only had a problem with Britain, since they had been exploiting them as a colonial power. Truman actually forbid the CIA from doing what it wanted because he understood it to be a democratic, anti-colonial struggle. But the CIA and Eisenhower just had to wait for him to leave office, and Eisenhower came in not really understanding the situation and with both the CIA and Churchill asking him to sign off on it. It ended up being a bargaining chip, the US would overthrow Mossadegh to protect BP’s profits, and in exchange the UK would join NATO and support the Korean War. The Iranians got completely fucked over, just for trying to get out from under the thumb of colonial exploitation and reassert control over their own resources (and they weren’t the only ones). Part of the reason the coup succeeded was because Mossadegh trusted the US, and they exploited that trust to stab him in the back.
And nowadays, Americans are not only completely ignorant of that history, but even have the audacity to say things like “Islam is incompatible with democracy.” Like, motherfucker, you are incompatible with democracy.
The current US-Iran relationship is independent of that history. It is PNAC neocon origins, and pure Israel designed policy. History has little to do with the sanctions and axis of hate towards Iran, and it is disingenuous to suggest that Iran’s resistance is based on long irrelevant issues.
Chill. I don’t disagree with you that the current tensions are heavily impacted by the conflict with Israel, but I’m just supplying additional context that relations have also been bad for decades, for reasons not directly related to that. There’s nothing “disingenuous” to providing historical context, and just because tensions currently are related to something else doesn’t mean that history is irrelevant or that supplying context is “disingenuous.” You don’t get to just declare things to be “independent of history,” that’s not how anything works. If Iran was neutral on Israel, the bad blood would not just disappear overnight.
I’m on your side here, I’m just trying to be accurate about things.
I promise you, there is a lot more between the US and Iran than Israel.
Iran is US enemy only because it objects to Israel policies.
My god the lack of historical awareness in this generation is going to give me an aneurism. I deeply hate you all. Get better.
https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-iran-1953-2023
Edit: don’t bother replying with your nonsense, just read and learn more. I already blocked you and like, half the people here who have learning disabilities.
The disingenous harrassment on this issue is that “The US must continue to hate Iran because of their successful coup on the Shah, and Iran never congratulated the US for the favour”. Hate against Iran today, since 1999/2001, is pure and simple, part of service to Israel agenda.
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I know they have done horrible things and continue to do bad things but if the US would stop propping up all the other bad guys then this situation would resolve itself. We keep sticking our nose in that business and it will never bring about a resolution. The US hasn’t won a single war since WWII. They didn’t defeat the north Koreans the Vietnamize or the Taliban. They didn’t win the domestic ‘War on drugs’ They won’t win their war on freedom of body choice either. The truth is the US is losing and only ones winning are our enemies. Especially the ones we are helping.
Wow crazy how they just attack shipping lanes for no reason other than that they’re bigots, also crazy how their attacks just randomly happen to correspond with Israeli violence towards Palestinians and primarily target Israeli shipping. Almost as if they’re rational actors acting in retaliation - but no, they’re just crazy bigots doing terrorism for no reason other than “they hate us for our freedoms.”
It’s wild what a childish picture of the world people have.
I am against Israel’s government also, but “anyone who attacks israel is my friend” is an even more childish picture, I am providing realistic nuance, not mindless hugboxes ineffectual armchair political strategists. You don’t HAVE to have a black-and-white picture of the world, I promise it’s okay to NOT take a side about some issues.
I promise it’s okay to NOT take a side about some issues.
Is that what you think you’re doing? Not taking a side by justifying one side bombing the other?
No, I’m saying the reality is more nuanced than you or I know, and if you’re out cheering every time a Houthi sinks a shipping vessel you’re as dumb as the right. The situation is complicated and not as cartoonishly simple as most people in this post are making it out to be. Don’t view this as “good guys and bad guys” or you will be another mindless drone complicite in the agendas of powerful assholes.
No, I’m not doing back and forth about it. Have a good one.
They’re attacking ships in international waters, killing sailors.
They’re not the good guys.
To add, this particular region isn’t a country as that term is understood by anyone. It is lawless, unincorporated territory without anyone in charge.
It’s finders keepers. First country who can bring law and order to the territory gets to keep it, and the Republic of Yemen, has proved either unwilling and incapable.
To be clear, it would be fine if the people in this territory wanted to live like it’s the year 600 and kept to themselves, but that’s not what they want. They want to be part of a new Islamic caliphate and rule the entire world.
Not gonna happen ✅.
Isn’t that a bit… Islamophobic and colonialist? You’re also making a lot of assumptions about Yemen here.
There’s a handful of very vocal posters on here that are just cooked. They think that anyone fighting the US is automatically the good guy, and life just isn’t that simple.
They think that anyone fighting the US is automatically the good guy, and life just isn’t that simple.
Actually, it kinda is. For the same reason the US, the UK, and the USSR were all allies during WWII, and were all “the good guys” in that conflict, despite having drastically different ideologies. Because the other side was committing a major genocide, and had to be stopped above all else.
The genocide must be stopped, and neither US political party is willing to offer us a chance to vote against it. Therefore, it can only be stopped through military force, and we don’t really have the luxury of waiting for some faction to suddenly emerge out of thin air that has the strength to fight and win while also being perfectly aligned ideologically. The very least we can do is offer our verbal support to the anti-genocide side, regardless of their reasons.
But if I’m wrong, then enlighten me. How exactly do you envision stopping the genocide?
The allies fought together in WWII because the axis attacked them. The genocide not only had nothing to do with it, war decisions were explicitly made to leave intact the concentration camp system (for example not bombing railroads that took people to the camps) because any whiff of supporting Jews would have damaged political support for the war. The people in the camps were only freed at the very end of the war.
The allies were the same countries that crippled Germany’s economy after WWI, leaving its society vulnerable to the demagogery of Hitler. I don’t believe they can be black-and-white described as “the good guys”.
Yeah, that’s the point. Many of the countries who were part of the Allies were doing it for their own interests, as world-dominating colonial powers. But whatever their motivations, they’re still correctly regarded as “the good guys” because the other side was the fucking Nazis. Likewise, Ansar Allah and similar groups may have their own motivations, their own problems, their own sins, but the other side is committing genocide.
And the reason that literally every single conflict from Korea to Vietnam to Iraq and so on is justified by comparing it to WWII is that virtually everyone was and is on the same page about it, for different reasons. Yeah the leadership was motivated more by maintaining power, but that doesn’t mean that everyone fighting at the time or that everyone looking back on it supported/supports the Allies on the same motivation.
Once Israel and the US have been defeated and the genocide has stopped, then sure, let’s look at Ansar Allah’s position on gay rights or whatever. Until then they are some of the only ones doing anything to keep Israel in check, and we desperately need someone to do that, because again, the genocide must stop.
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Exactly what nazis would say if asked about why they tried to exterminate the jews.
Good god you’re broken beyond repair.
Except my solution is not to exterminate Israel. Fighting genocide by supporting a different group of genocidal maniacs is lunacy. Hamas is bad. Israel is bad. I can’t even say who is worse, morally. Israel just happens to have greater capacity for inflicting their evil right now.
Sometimes, there are no good guys.
You didn’t answer the question. The genocide must stop, how do you envision stopping it? If you denounce every actual, practical solution without offering any other option, then how is your position meaningfully different from just outright supporting it?
That same line about how “they’d be even worse than us if they ever got power,” has been used by virtually every colonialist project on earth. It’s wild to watch an old school, 1800’s style colonial project playing out in 2025 and to see all the same rhetoric being used, it’s like getting in a time machine.
I don’t have an answer. I just know supporting Islamists is not the answer.
We don’t owe you an answer to that question.
til fighting against a genocide doesn’t make someone a good guy
we have to be respectful i guessIf you still believe in slavery, treating women as property and making it illegal for them to have an education etc, then you’re not the good guy.
Awful people do occasionally end up on the right side of an issue.
Child marriage is still legal in 38 states, you people kidnap students for having an opinion.
Your rapist president is dismantling your department of education and slavery is still legal as per your constitution.
You guys have killed millions and destroyed dozens of countries in the span of 50 years for economic gains, you have torture camps and trans aren’t even recognized anymore.
stop with all this righteousness… maybe if the US stopped meddling in other countries things would change.
The US would still have chattel slavery if the slaves never resisted their chains. Women would still be the property of their husbands and not be allowed to vote or work if they did not fight for their rights. There is nothing about western “values” that made these things happen, they were not granted upon us by our holy and just rulers or even decided on by the masses in a vacuum. They were hard fought through decades of collective struggle and civil war.
It would be a lot easier for the people of Yemen to do the same if they were allowed to experience the same peace as is experienced in the west, and their efforts weren’t constantly thwarted by imperialist powers.
you describe a decent chunk of the usa and its leaders if you just change “education” to “abortion” (although that’s probably not far either), so it’s kind of a not good guy doing a good thing vs a not good guy fighting the not good guy for the bad guy
They are attacking Norwegian boats. The majority of the boats they are attacking aren’t even from the USA or going to the USA…
They have not been operating with honesty for some ships but as someone else pointed out, the majority had ties to the US and Israel. They’ve also been very clear about why they do this. I’m not saying they are admirable, but they are not that wrong.
I don’t think it’s bad to admit that they are generally doing something good while also committing bad mistakes.
JD Vance was just quoted saying 90% of the traffic was headed to Europe. I’m sure he’s exaggerating as much as you. Not too long ago the United States had good sounds intelligence so…. Idk not my business anyway. Don’t fuck with civilian vessels. Hit real military targets and get hit back with military assets. All I see is a bunch of fucking terrorist and terrorist supporters to be honest.
I can see why you think I might be exaggerating but at some point I checked the wikipedia page listing Houthi attacks on ships and spent a good amount of time checking each one more carefully.
Also false. The majority of boats when the US blockade was active had direct ties to the countries on the blockade list.
Notable example True Confidence was owned by US Oaktree Capital until it was sold right before passing through the Red Sea. https://www.ft.com/content/7968438c-ec7c-424d-aaed-42d99e2a51a7
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If I was a sailor, I simply wouldn’t work for a ship associated with Israel.
They’re not attacking Chinese ships, they’re not attacking Turkish ships, they’re not attacking South African ships.
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That is where they are but not where they came from. If we didn’t bomb and kill every person who opposes us and prop up the governments who kill and torture them then perhaps they wouldn’t be attacking others. Millions of americans in the coming years are going to finally figure out what the rest knows. When the government treats people like criminals many will become criminal. Don’t kid yourself about the brown part. If they were white there would be more talking.
Why are they doing it?
lots of warmongers trying to whitewash US and israeli war crimes in there.
Interesting thread.
