Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.
Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”
Did any of the Palestinians ever regret all those kidnappings? It brought so much suffering, yet no word of regret and still some hostages remain.
Eat shit, you sadistic monster
So, I am a sadistic monster for pointing out that kidnapping civilists and meístreating them instead of just getting rid of your extremist leaders led to the desaster. And not even showing regret and distancing yourself from those religious zealots doesn’t help, of course. But I am the monster, not the kidnappers. How dillusional are you???
Do you hold the Israeli forces that hold hostage without atrial or any evidence of wellbeing to the same standard?
Compare a photo of a IDF prisoner to a photo of someone who was held hostage by Hamas. And stop comparing hostages with prisoners.
https://hamoked.org/files/2023/1666260.pdf
Israel makes wholesale use of administrative detention - holding Palestinians without charge or trial, for terms that can be renewed indefinitely. These detentions are based exclusively on secret information, preventing any meaningful judicial review.
How do you define hostage versus prisoner when people are being locked up for indefinite periods of time based on ‘evidence’ that they, their lawyers or anyone outside the IDF are able to see?
I don’t understand how this makes taking hostages and mistreating them by Hamas even remotely understandable let alone agreeable.
I’d ask protest voters if they’re feeling pretty stupid right now, but the truth is they never gave a flying fuck about Palestinians. They only cared about feeling morally superior.
Trash humans.
Yeah, because Kamala was so pro-palestine lmfao. The democrat party’s policy was literally “maybe we’ll support genocide a little less than the other guys. Maybe.”
Like, any sane party would have seen how polling showed that a huge chunk of your base rejected your stance on Palestine and reevaluated. But nope, Dems went full steam ahead with it.
Like goddamn, you’re here calling other people trash because they didn’t want to support a candidate who was okay giving a blank check to a foreign country earmarked for carpet bombing civilians? Get over yourself jesus.
Yeah, because Kamala was so pro-palestine lmfao
What does that have to do with people who claimed they cared about Palestinians doing the right thing and voting for the BEST candidate regarding Palestine? Because Trump made it extremely clear he wanted Israel to steamroll Palestine and, oh shit, now that he’s president that’s the stance he’s taking. WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS!?!?!?!?
Honestly, you’re doing a great job of personifying the exact fools I’m talking about.
Like, any sane party would have seen how polling showed that a huge chunk of your base rejected your stance on Palestine and reevaluated.
You realize that a responsible government can’t just change its stance regarding allies every 4 years just to win an election, right? We would have no allies. It’ll be a cold day in hell before we jeopardize our most important ally in the Middle East. So are you suggesting Democrats should have stooped to Republican levels and lied to the American people by saying they would stop supporting Israel and then just taken that back after they won?
Like goddamn, you’re here calling other people trash because they didn’t want to support a candidate who was okay giving a blank check to a foreign country earmarked for carpet bombing civilians?
No, I’m here calling trash people trash for pretending they cared about Palestinians and then refusing to vote for the BEST AVAILABLE OUTCOME for Palestinians. I mean, I guess you could argue that they aren’t actually trash, but just really, really, super stupid people that somehow thought not voting for Palestinian’s best shot would be a smart thing to do. I’m willing to meet you in the middle on that one.
These dipshits sealed Palestinian’s fate AND put our own nation in extreme jeopardy. They can honestly go fuck themselves.
The amount of mental gymnastics you’re doing to justify the Democratic party supporting genocide is genuinely sad. And I do mean that, like it’s truly sad to me that so many people have convinced themselves that it’s a fine and normal thing that a nominally progressive party should support the wholesale slaughter of innocent people. I didn’t vote for that platform and I never will, because it’s truly, fundamentally evil. “Oh but it’s better then the other guy” so? I’m still voting to kill these people. I’d sooner not vote at all.
If Kamala had won, I absolutely guarantee you the overwhelming majority of Democrats would have conveniently forgotten how we were bankrolling these terrible crimes overseas.
The amount of mental gymnastics you’re doing to justify the Democratic party supporting genocide is genuinely sad.
The amount of mental gymnastics you’re doing to ignore the fact that these dipshits hurt Palestine more than they helped Palestine is genuinely sad.
I didn’t vote for that platform and I never will, because it’s truly, fundamentally evil.
Oh look, you’re one of those dipshits. You should go to Israel so they can personally thank you for helping elect Donald Trump.
I’d sooner not vote at all.
I’m trying to find out where your rock bottom is and I’m starting to think there isn’t one.
So noble that you don’t reject genocide on principle, only by if who does it is on your team or not
In 1940, the Nazis’ plan was to relocate all Jews to Madagascar.
Just 2 years later, they started exterminating them systematically.Population transfers aren’t unheard of. In Greece/Turkey, Italians from eastern Adriatic, German from Prussia and Silesia, Pakistan/India millions of people moved.
This Holocaust comparison is completely dishonest and betrays any knowledge of how it happened. Used in this context, it’s Holocaust relativism at best and likely antisemitic.
I found this quote useful so I’m going to put it here as well as it seems incredibly relevant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
“How could ‘forced deportation’ ever be achieved without extreme coercion, indeed violence? How, indeed, could deportation not be forced? How could people not resist? How could it not involve the destruction of a community, of the way of life that a group has enjoyed over a period of time? How could those who deported a group not intend this destruction? In what significant way is the forcible removal of a population from their homeland different from the destruction’ of a group? If the boundary between ‘cleansing’ and genocide is unreal, why police it?”
From the same Wikipedia article.
Ethnic cleansing has been described as part of a continuum of violence whose most extreme form is genocide. Ethnic cleansing is similar to forced deportation or population transfer. While ethnic cleansing and genocide may share the same goal and methods (e.g., forced displacement), ethnic cleansing is intended to displace a persecuted population from a given territory, while genocide is intended to destroy a group.
Your quote is just a bunch of insinuations leading questions without an answer. Pure bad faith.
Your argument’s defense of a nonexistent boundary between genocide and ethnic cleansing boils down to genocide denial. There is no agreed upon definition of ethnic cleansing. There is no way to peacefully forcefully relocate a group of people. An attempt to forcefully relocate a group of people is motivated by the desire to destroy that group in whole or in part.
The quote from the wiki article points out everything I have now written down in this comment. It’s written as a series of rhetorical questions with clear answers. Your argument’s effort to misrepresent the wiki page’s descriptive analysis of ethnic cleansing as an official definition is an attempt to police a none existent boundary. You argument left out the last part of that section.
Multiple genocide scholars have criticized distinguishing between ethnic cleansing and genocide, with Martin Shaw arguing that forced deportation necessarily results in the destruction of a group and this must be foreseen by the perpetrators.
A call for ethnic cleansing is a call for genocide. There is no way to engage in peaceful forceful deportation or population transfer. There is no meaningful difference between getting rid of a group by forcefully removing them and destroying them.
The Armenian genocide involved death marches, into the desert without food or water. What’s the meaningful difference between sending people to die in the desert and destroying them? There isn’t one.
https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/armenian-genocide
There is no meaningful difference between getting rid of a group by forcefully removing them and destroying them.
Please read that again. There’s a gigantic difference between dead or alive.
100,000 Armenians were ethnically cleansed in 2023 with less than a dozen civilian deaths. Compared that to the Armenian Genocide at the beginning of the 20th century with a million deaths.
Using the same term genocide for both is watering down the term. It betrays why it was coined in the first place.
Of course it’s still a terrible crime.
Luis Moreno Ocampo, the inaugural prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, has classified the ethnic cleansing of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians as a second Armenian genocide, and opined that the inaction of the international community encouraged Azerbaijan to act with impunity.[34][35]
The number of deaths has nothing to do with it. The intent is the same, the only difference between the two genocides is that they were less successful at killing people in the second one. The only people that are helped by defending a distinction between ethnic cleansing and genocide, that does not exist, are the people who want to commit genocide.
Try and tell that to the face of someone whose whole family died in death camps.
