I see a lot of people complaining that the Fairphone 6 doesn’t have an Aux jack.
Just use an adapter cable.
A 3.5mm Aux jack takes up a significant amount of space just to connect a few wires that could be connected through USB-C anyway, that space could be used for a bigger battery.
Even if there was a good enough reason to keep Aux it should be 2.5mm Aux and not the usual 3.5 as it does exactly the same thing but uses less space
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Aux jack is much more reliable than usb-c and can be plugged into any orientation. It is a superior connector. The size difference is negotiable and phones should be made a few mmm larger anyway to fit peoples hand better.
My 2yo phone is still virgin on his aux jack port.
it should be 2.5mm Aux and not the usual 3.5
true
that space could be used for a bigger battery
for what? for like 10 minutes of extra time?
Even if it’s 1% that adds up.
10x 1% increases is a big jump
Counterpoint:
External DACs on multiple recent generations of Pixel devices frequently experience severe distortion and Google seems to not give a shit about fixing that.
I literally cannot use wired headphones or speakers with my phone even with relatively high end equipment without horrific audio glitches.
I ended up bying a phone without a jack. I got 2 dongles that split into a jack and a charging port, so i can charge in bed while watching videos. One of the jacks has static noise and whine, the other has i think some kind of digital to analog interface that cuts the sound conpletely when the audio is too low.
So i hear static or when i watch a video or listen to an audiobook, when there is a pause in speech i hear the sound cut out completely, or if a video has soft background music on it, it might not pick up on it at all.
It’s very distracting.
And if you go online to buy a dongle, they dont really say what they have in them, or you dont know how your phone handles the conversion etc.
So I don’t think “just buy a dongle” is the solution. It works but now i have all these problems i didnt have with my old phone that had a jack…
My dongle that supports charging and analog audio for my car has a whine that changes pitch with the motor speed (guessing it’s very sensitive to the voltage or frequency of the alternator or something). Though at least it’s low enough that it’s almost unnoticeable when actual audio is playing.
It also requires the phone be unlocked to start sending audio through the USB interface. And maybe about 10% of the time whe I get it all set up and music/podcast playing, the motion of hitting the lock button on my phone to turn the screen off also bumps the usb port enough for it to briefly disconnect, which stops my audio and forces me to unlock my phone again to get it playing through the cable.
The phone needs to have a DAC anyways if it wants to drive its speakers. I could live with a smaller analog jack, but hate having to use a separate device with its own DAC that is probably way cheaper than the one already in my phone plus they probably don’t even isolate the audio signal from the charging signal because the main selling point is just the ability to play audio and charge at the same time.
I disagree. My phone has perfectly acceptable battery life and a 3.5mm jack, I use it all day and get home with over 40% left every day. I need the jack to use my earbuds at work, and to listen to music in my car - and I’m gonna be honest with you something as small as an adapter WILL get lost by me. Everyone’s got a different use case, and it might not be important for you, but your use case isn’t everyone’s.
Extremely misinformed post. Upvoted.
Not enough room for a 3.5mm audio port, but we absolutely must have a 50MP dual camera plus TOF sensor!
It’s more that it’s redundant and takes up a lot of space, you can just use USB-C
Show me an affordable dongle that supports full speed passthrough charging and clean audio simultaneously. Then, I’ll agree on redundancy.
I’m with you.
I don’t understand how people like Bluetooth earbuds.
You have to constantly clean them because of ear wax for starters, and they’re much more uncomfortable if you’re sweaty. Not to mention all the years of doctors saying don’t use Q-tips because it pushes ear wax into your ears just for everyone to start shoving buds in there anyway. To bad the younger generation didn’t get to learn about wired clip-ons or flat cables. Wish they still make them but I suppose bonephonesoike Shokz are safer for when cycling.
Then there’s the battery issues. That just feels like a downgrade. Not only is it yet another thing you have to remember to charge, but they can run out of battery. Aux version literally never runs out of battery. Maybe if we had a new gen of battery that lasted months sure, but we don’t yet.
And lastly battery on phone isn’t an issue. I have an Xperia 1 V and can easily use the phone all day without running out of battery, and it has a headphone jack.
Yo I love my bonephones
Not all Bluetooth earbuds are in-ears.
And I prefer charging than having to deal with a cable all the time and the jack is a real dirt magnet.
Idk how you’re getting your jack dirty. I guess if you go mudding outdoors, but then your USB C port would have the same issue.
Also, if the earbuds aren’t in-ears, aren’t they just clip-ons or headphones? I think buds by definition go inside your ears
Idk how you’re getting your jack dirty.
Dusty warehouse environment. Even with my phone staying in my pocket most of the time; it collects dust in the ports and has to be cleaned regularly. I’m glad I only have one port to clean now.
Also, if the earbuds aren’t in-ears, aren’t they just clip-ons or headphones?
Sure, but nobody said you can only use wireless buds. If you don’t like in-ear style headphones/buds try a different style.
These used to by my wired earbuds of choice; I swapped the replaceable cable with a usb c one. There’s also a bluetooth cable/adapter you can buy.
I haven’t actually used them much though because I primarily switched to some wireless Raycons 2-3 ago years now. They’ve been fantastic and I’ve gotten so used to being untethered from my phone that I don’t think I’d ever go back.
8-10 hrs of runtime and only about 20min to charge; More often than not, I’m only wearing one anyway, so one charges while the other plays audio. Swap as necessary or listen to both and take an occasional break (which is good for you anyway). They charge in the case whenever not being used, and the case wirelessly charges whenever its on my bedside table, or from usb c if you ever needed it. I’ve yet to kill all three batteries, even with continuous use all day long.
Dusty warehouse environment. Even with my phone staying in my pocket most of the time; it collects dust in the ports and has to be cleaned regularly. I’m glad I only have one port to clean now.
You might want to look into these for the USB port:
https://www.amazon.com/usb-c-dust-cover/s?k=usb+c+dust+cover
They also have them for aux jacks and other ports, for those using headphones.
Hope you’re masking up too
Edit: the Sony’s are wired. Thanks either way since I’ve been looking for something like that but wired, didn’t know they were still made
Edit2: nvm, they indeed don’t make them anymore
Depends on what you’re doing with them. If I’m listening to music and want fidelity, I use wired headphones (also with my Xperia 1 v), but if I’m at the gym I much prefer my Bluetooth headphones as they’re generally easier to keep in my ears for long periods of time. Just a point of reference though, I’m not recommending the airpods style of Bluetooth headphones, I’m talking the older style wired connecting the two earpods and when you’re not using them, they magnetically join together around your neck. They’re actually pretty decent with Bluetooth 5.2, can get a couple of days of battery life and charge quickly over USB c if they’re low.
Yeah the sports clips make more sense to me than the buds tho. Or in general, because they have at least better battery life
I disagree, truly unpopular well done.
Fuck you, well done.
This is something only the nerds complain about. The general public prefer Bluetooth buds. If there was significant demand for phones with AUX, someone would build them.
The general public is full of morons. Demand has nothing to do with it, most people just follow like sheep and have no idea what is going on around them.
These companies don’t give a shit what the public demands. The public just gobbles up the newest model regardless of what features it offers.
Wouldn‘t a second USB-C outlet make sense? One for charging, one for audio/data/external devices. Or is that still too much space wasted?
There are “gaming” phones that have two USB-C ports for the purpose of not obstructing the hands while gaming, but they can also be used as you describe (iirc). It would be a nice feature on mainstream flagships.
Now I’m picturing a docking station!
Even when I had a phone with audio output, I almost never connected more than one wire. The only likely use case is charging and listening at the same time, but there’s already a lot going wrong if that has to happen…
Idk I often forget to charge my phone in the evening, so plugging it in 1x and still having an UsB-C connection for headphones or a controller would be cool. Also imagine running linux on your phone and having an external monitor.
Well, that’s definitely an unpopular opinion.
For me, there are two reasons losing the aux port sucks. First, it means I have to pay extra for functionality I want. It’s not like the phone is cheaper without the aux port so it’s just more money out of pocket for me. Second, it means I have to keep track of a dongle. Something I’d be using nearly everyday.
The funny thing about battery size; they could make the phone 1mm thicker and you’d get way more battery capacity from that than removing an aux port.
Also, wireless sucks dick. May as well give my own unpopular opinion.
I used to be a big fan of rhythm games on android, but the loss of the headphone jack has completely killed it for me. Bluetooth latency is still like 200ms, it’s insane. I can’t stand to even watch video with it
You can have wired USB C headphones with no latency.
Also any good headphones should compensate by delaying the video a bit. At least on iOS with Airpods the audio and video are almost perfectly synced. Same with any other bluetooth headphones I’ve used. I did have a REALLY old BT speaker with like a 500ms delay and that was very noticeable. But that speaker is over 10 years old and cost $20.
Also any good headphones should compensate by delaying the video a bit
Video yes, but that doesn’t work with games. New Bluetooth devices are a lot better than older ones when it comes to latency, especially Bluetooth 5 devices I’ve noticed, but they’re still not very good. Wired or dongle-based wireless still have way, way better latency
The fact that codecs like aptx aren’t ubiquitous on all android devices is one of the biggest reason why it never switch back. Aptx when the two devices support it is beautiful. Low latency, high quality. Perfect. But even nice devices don’t always support it (I’m looking at you google) It’s a solved problem, but manufacturers can’t get their shit together.
Then you have manufacturers like Sony who produce butt loads of Bluetooth paraphernalia, but can’t make Bluetooth on their phones work for shit. Bluetooth key for his Tesla doesn’t work for him unless his wife turns off BT on her phone first.
The funny thing about battery size; they could make the phone 1mm thicker and you’d get way more battery capacity from that than removing an aux port.
Z space is not at a premium, X and Y space are. A 3.5mm jack takes up a TON of space in all dimensions. The PCBs of modern phones are TINY compared to the phones of old.
“a TON of space” Give me a break, older phones that were quite literally a small fraction of the size of modern smartphones were able to house them just fine. The space is minimal and everyone knows it. The reason that Apple got rid of it was mostly so that they could push their first party wireless headphones and make a killing. And it worked out very well for them. Everyone else followed suit because… Apple did it!
Z space is at a premium too, because consumer studies (according to Fairphone) show that people want slimmer phones. More so than functionality like 3.4mm TRRS.
