Yeah okay sure, when the US was putting down mass insurrections in Detroit etc with the National Guard and there was armed combat in the streets (1960s) the US wasn’t a fascist hellhole officially. Or the entire period until the 1965 Voting Act and the multiple Civil Rights Acts (didn’t end in the 60s) that it took for “constitutional rights” to be applied to all residents because simply being a resident didn’t make you a full citizen in the “constitutional republic” if you didn’t have the right skin tone, that also wasn’t officially a fascist hellhole either.
What else? Henry Ford publishing a ton of dodgy anti-Semitic literature in the 1920s and inspiring Hitler and the Euro OG fascists? Not officially fascist hellhole enough.
Blood quantum laws, one drop rules, eugenics programs etc that also directly inspired the Nazis but were often rejected for being too extreme for them (the Nuremberg blood laws that determined Jewish ancestry are significantly more lenient than US one drop laws)? Not officially fascist hellhole.
Yeah, USA was straight up Weimar Republic or maybe the USSR or maybe anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War until Trump won in 2016.
Can people start pushing back against this self-serving center-lib romantic bs already? Because simply put, if it all got ruined because of Trump then come right out and say openly that you’re fine with everything that came before because it mostly affected natives, blacks and foreigners but not US WASPs. Or I don’t know, relax because saying it’s always been a total hellhole doesn’t mean you support Trump.
Maybe I should mention that this is Cold War era propaganda about USA representing “freedom and democracy” (the free world bs) vs totalitarianism etc back during the time segregation and putting people in jail for sodomy were supposedly freedom loving acts?
Agreed. People are forgetting how the USA was created. This isn’t new. Targeting “illegals” has happened more than once before. If things actually implode, it could hopefully become an opportunity to build a fair society; one where white (elite) supremacists aren’t actually in charge.
Honestly you can’t even meaningfully summarize just the 20th century and late 19th in a single comment. Unleashing Pinkertons on strikers for example. Prez Wilson mass deporting Italians because they were anarchists and socialists while also designing little ethnostates after WWI and creating the excuse for WWII.
But that’s where most would agree. If I said that even the liberal-leaning (not leftist, liberal) dominant discourse via mass media constantly frames US politics in terms of “stupidity” i.e. innate unchanging characteristics and not criminally underfunded public education that makes the working class more easily manipulated by bougie populists on both sides then I’m not sure most people would either get or want to admit that even the liberal dominant norms are lowkey eugenicist race science nazi shit but without calling it explicitly eugenics.
But it’s a thing that once you see it you can’t unsee it.
I don’t have to do anything. I left the US and gave up my citizenship 25 years ago because it started to scare me when Dubya signed the USA Patriot Act and started turning Gitmo into a concentration camp. I’m watching the disaster unfold from afar.
I was kind of hoping America would get its shit together, but the only thing Americans are apparently good at is voluntarily drowning in more shit. They wanted Trump once because they’re fucking morons, and they wanted it a second time after knowing exactly what he was and what he did because they’re fucking fascists.
There’s nothing good in America because there’s nothing good in Americans. I should know, I was one.
There’s nothing good in America because there’s nothing good in Americans. I should know, I was one.
That’s a level of self-awareness this country could use tbh. My man’s not afraid to admit he’s got nothing good in himself in service of making the greater point that none of us Americans have nothing good in us either. 🥂
I’m really glad they self deported. We need people who can see a future here without cruelty and fascism. Without seeing that, the fight is already over.
I lived in the states for about 6 years and left around 2005 for the same reason. Every day since, I’ve been increasingly grateful to be out of that fuckin place.
Stop advocating for violence when you don’t live here and you aren’t willing to do it yourself. You sound like a proud boy plant trying to discredit the people who oppose Trump.
The funny thing is that you ALL wanted to identify with Luigi and celebrated him for quite a long time. All the while watching democracy being destroyed.
The funny thing is Lemmy was over run with patriots telling everyone who’d listen to not vote for Joe Biden or any Democratic candidate, and now it’s over run with patriots advocating for violence to resist Trump. Seems pretty funny that all the talking points you people are pushing are right out of the project 2025 play book. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence though.
I’m saying that it’s already too late for that, because fascism is already established. The riots should have taken place during the election, and the Republicans’ election rigging should have been made an issue.
Actually, Americans should have put so much pressure on the government against Trump from 6 Jan that he should have been given the death penalty for treason etc. by then.
Well, now that fascism is here, people are getting active… useless
They’re also losing their constitutional rights and their entire republic.
Marines deployed in US cities…
And nobody does a damn thing about it…
Personally, I’ve written off America. It’s now officially a fascist hellhole.
Yeah okay sure, when the US was putting down mass insurrections in Detroit etc with the National Guard and there was armed combat in the streets (1960s) the US wasn’t a fascist hellhole officially. Or the entire period until the 1965 Voting Act and the multiple Civil Rights Acts (didn’t end in the 60s) that it took for “constitutional rights” to be applied to all residents because simply being a resident didn’t make you a full citizen in the “constitutional republic” if you didn’t have the right skin tone, that also wasn’t officially a fascist hellhole either.
What else? Henry Ford publishing a ton of dodgy anti-Semitic literature in the 1920s and inspiring Hitler and the Euro OG fascists? Not officially fascist hellhole enough.
Blood quantum laws, one drop rules, eugenics programs etc that also directly inspired the Nazis but were often rejected for being too extreme for them (the Nuremberg blood laws that determined Jewish ancestry are significantly more lenient than US one drop laws)? Not officially fascist hellhole.
Yeah, USA was straight up Weimar Republic or maybe the USSR or maybe anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War until Trump won in 2016.
Can people start pushing back against this self-serving center-lib romantic bs already? Because simply put, if it all got ruined because of Trump then come right out and say openly that you’re fine with everything that came before because it mostly affected natives, blacks and foreigners but not US WASPs. Or I don’t know, relax because saying it’s always been a total hellhole doesn’t mean you support Trump.
Maybe I should mention that this is Cold War era propaganda about USA representing “freedom and democracy” (the free world bs) vs totalitarianism etc back during the time segregation and putting people in jail for sodomy were supposedly freedom loving acts?
Agreed. People are forgetting how the USA was created. This isn’t new. Targeting “illegals” has happened more than once before. If things actually implode, it could hopefully become an opportunity to build a fair society; one where white (elite) supremacists aren’t actually in charge.
Honestly you can’t even meaningfully summarize just the 20th century and late 19th in a single comment. Unleashing Pinkertons on strikers for example. Prez Wilson mass deporting Italians because they were anarchists and socialists while also designing little ethnostates after WWI and creating the excuse for WWII.
But that’s where most would agree. If I said that even the liberal-leaning (not leftist, liberal) dominant discourse via mass media constantly frames US politics in terms of “stupidity” i.e. innate unchanging characteristics and not criminally underfunded public education that makes the working class more easily manipulated by bougie populists on both sides then I’m not sure most people would either get or want to admit that even the liberal dominant norms are lowkey eugenicist race science nazi shit but without calling it explicitly eugenics.
But it’s a thing that once you see it you can’t unsee it.
That’s how the fascists win.
“All that’s needed for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing.”
- Someone I don’t remember
I don’t have to do anything. I left the US and gave up my citizenship 25 years ago because it started to scare me when Dubya signed the USA Patriot Act and started turning Gitmo into a concentration camp. I’m watching the disaster unfold from afar.
I was kind of hoping America would get its shit together, but the only thing Americans are apparently good at is voluntarily drowning in more shit. They wanted Trump once because they’re fucking morons, and they wanted it a second time after knowing exactly what he was and what he did because they’re fucking fascists.
There’s nothing good in America because there’s nothing good in Americans. I should know, I was one.
You’re a coward. We’re better off without you.
Don’t worry - we’ll take care of it, or die trying.
That’s a level of self-awareness this country could use tbh. My man’s not afraid to admit he’s got nothing good in himself in service of making the greater point that none of us Americans have nothing good in us either. 🥂
I’m really glad they self deported. We need people who can see a future here without cruelty and fascism. Without seeing that, the fight is already over.
I lived in the states for about 6 years and left around 2005 for the same reason. Every day since, I’ve been increasingly grateful to be out of that fuckin place.
That just reinforces my point
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Good thing we haven’t given up.
Nobody does a damn thing about it? Way to pre-emptively comply you spineless cuck.
They’re just scared. Certain European shutins are confused by what’s going on, and they act out like this instead of asking questions.
These people have no idea what’s actually going on.
Thanks for drawing me back in towards empathy. I totally agree with everything you’ve said.
Cool
Stop advocating for violence when you don’t live here and you aren’t willing to do it yourself. You sound like a proud boy plant trying to discredit the people who oppose Trump.
The funny thing is that you ALL wanted to identify with Luigi and celebrated him for quite a long time. All the while watching democracy being destroyed.
lol
The funny thing is Lemmy was over run with patriots telling everyone who’d listen to not vote for Joe Biden or any Democratic candidate, and now it’s over run with patriots advocating for violence to resist Trump. Seems pretty funny that all the talking points you people are pushing are right out of the project 2025 play book. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence though.
I’m saying that it’s already too late for that, because fascism is already established. The riots should have taken place during the election, and the Republicans’ election rigging should have been made an issue. Actually, Americans should have put so much pressure on the government against Trump from 6 Jan that he should have been given the death penalty for treason etc. by then.
Well, now that fascism is here, people are getting active… useless