I personally feel that the historical significance of a thing outweighing its own bloody history, and believe that keeping the thing around helps us to remember its evil history, which may help us prevent it from happening, again.
Like the Confederate statues? Nah. Tear it down. It doesn’t serve as a reminder to prevent. It serves as a monolithic idol for shitty people to rally around and mythologize.
I don’t advocate burning history altogether, but keeping shitty places and statues around for shitty people to glorify serves the exact opposite of preserving the history. It just gives them hope and ideas that the “old days” will come back around. Take a picture or something and put it in a museum, at most. And make the museum about the horrific acts and atrocities, not about preserving the history of the vile.
There’s a reason the Vietnam memorial is so iconic. It lists the soldier’s names, and it preserves their legacy as a reminder of pointless war. But it doesn’t glorify the war. Same for the ground zero memorial in NYC. It does not glorify the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, nor the atrocities that occured over there despite the reminder from the Vietnam war. It serves to remind of the lives of many that were taken.
The only reason I’m okay with the preservation of the Holocaust memorial locations is that the history of the people murdered there is on display. The scratches in the walls. Their glasses and belongings. The current political situation aside, people can go there and see the evil that occured as a somber reminder. Whether they are one of the peoples that those atrocities happened to or not.
Yet still, shitty people pose on the tracks for instagram, or go there for the evil itself, rather than that somber reminder.
A slave house, plantation, or Confederate statue isn’t a somber reminder. It’s simply there because they want glorify the shitty acts and want them to come back around. They want to remind people what they think the worth of their existence is. They want to deify their generals and create some type of mythology to their history. There’s nothing there for the people who were abused or murdered in those times. It only stands currently so people now can say they want to preserve “the history,” which is the history of the abusers and the murderers.
Regarding confederate statues, I believe the only place they should be… is in their cemeteries. They should remove them from public lands and place them in the cemeteries.
This plantation house was used as a resort, so that’s a little off putting, and glorifying the history instead of being a sobering reminder of atrocity. I would have rather it be given over to the local government and turned into a museum against slavery. But, even then with how much the south glorifies the confederacy, the state wouldn’t have done a good job showing the evils of plantations like this.
Agreed on the second part. I don’t understand why anyone would want to sleep in a place like that.
But I disagree on the first part. Should all be rubble, imo. Glorifying the traitors just set us up for the current situation since the plants that have grown are just as rotten as the root imo. The only reason the man got office is because he co-opted the movement that’s been in play for at least 60 years by the likes of turtle-lookin fuckbag McConnell. Remember the Tea Party a few years ago? All of this is a culmination of years of effort by the right wings to push out progressive ideals. Trump just took advantage of the hysteria and pushed the GOP old guard out and set him up as narcissist supreme.
Remove the reminders of the old days as physical locations, imo.
No the statues are almost exclusively post civil war by like 50+ years. This house is an actual contemporary and iirc still has some of the slave quarters on property from when it was still a museum.
Ehh we gotta keep a few remnants around. Think, if none of these places existed, you’d get neo-nazis claiming shit like “slavery never existed, there is no evidence of such a thing, where are the buildings? Where are these so called “plantations”. Exactly, it never existed”.
Exactly, erasing these things threatens to erase history. Granted, this is a bad case to defend as a historical landmark of slavery, since it was being used as a venue and resort, and therefore glorifying a southern culture largelywholly made from the enslavement of Africans.
So are generalized platitudes. On the flip side somebody might feel “different” about WWII if their sweet, beloved great grandpa was a gestapo officer, but that wouldn’t be a valid reason for anyone to change their opinion.
If it ruined your families lives you might think differently.
I personally feel that the historical significance of a thing outweighing its own bloody history, and believe that keeping the thing around helps us to remember its evil history, which may help us prevent it from happening, again.
But, I also appreciate your POV. 🤷♂️
If white rich people are using it as a place to vacation and get married, it’s not a lesson and should burn.
People used that house for celebrations and weddings, not to remember its history
The slave quarters and other structures remain unburned, actually, so in fact the historical landmark/lesson is still there. :)
Like the Confederate statues? Nah. Tear it down. It doesn’t serve as a reminder to prevent. It serves as a monolithic idol for shitty people to rally around and mythologize.
I don’t advocate burning history altogether, but keeping shitty places and statues around for shitty people to glorify serves the exact opposite of preserving the history. It just gives them hope and ideas that the “old days” will come back around. Take a picture or something and put it in a museum, at most. And make the museum about the horrific acts and atrocities, not about preserving the history of the vile.
There’s a reason the Vietnam memorial is so iconic. It lists the soldier’s names, and it preserves their legacy as a reminder of pointless war. But it doesn’t glorify the war. Same for the ground zero memorial in NYC. It does not glorify the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, nor the atrocities that occured over there despite the reminder from the Vietnam war. It serves to remind of the lives of many that were taken.
The only reason I’m okay with the preservation of the Holocaust memorial locations is that the history of the people murdered there is on display. The scratches in the walls. Their glasses and belongings. The current political situation aside, people can go there and see the evil that occured as a somber reminder. Whether they are one of the peoples that those atrocities happened to or not.
Yet still, shitty people pose on the tracks for instagram, or go there for the evil itself, rather than that somber reminder.
A slave house, plantation, or Confederate statue isn’t a somber reminder. It’s simply there because they want glorify the shitty acts and want them to come back around. They want to remind people what they think the worth of their existence is. They want to deify their generals and create some type of mythology to their history. There’s nothing there for the people who were abused or murdered in those times. It only stands currently so people now can say they want to preserve “the history,” which is the history of the abusers and the murderers.
Regarding confederate statues, I believe the only place they should be… is in their cemeteries. They should remove them from public lands and place them in the cemeteries.
This plantation house was used as a resort, so that’s a little off putting, and glorifying the history instead of being a sobering reminder of atrocity. I would have rather it be given over to the local government and turned into a museum against slavery. But, even then with how much the south glorifies the confederacy, the state wouldn’t have done a good job showing the evils of plantations like this.
Agreed on the second part. I don’t understand why anyone would want to sleep in a place like that.
But I disagree on the first part. Should all be rubble, imo. Glorifying the traitors just set us up for the current situation since the plants that have grown are just as rotten as the root imo. The only reason the man got office is because he co-opted the movement that’s been in play for at least 60 years by the likes of turtle-lookin fuckbag McConnell. Remember the Tea Party a few years ago? All of this is a culmination of years of effort by the right wings to push out progressive ideals. Trump just took advantage of the hysteria and pushed the GOP old guard out and set him up as narcissist supreme.
Remove the reminders of the old days as physical locations, imo.
No the statues are almost exclusively post civil war by like 50+ years. This house is an actual contemporary and iirc still has some of the slave quarters on property from when it was still a museum.
Ehh we gotta keep a few remnants around. Think, if none of these places existed, you’d get neo-nazis claiming shit like “slavery never existed, there is no evidence of such a thing, where are the buildings? Where are these so called “plantations”. Exactly, it never existed”.
The slave quarters and other structures remain unburned, actually, so in fact the historical landmark/lesson is still there. :)
You’re drawing really strange moral lines here.
As if you aren’t.
How so?
Exactly, erasing these things threatens to erase history. Granted, this is a bad case to defend as a historical landmark of slavery, since it was being used as a venue and resort, and therefore glorifying a southern culture
largelywholly made from the enslavement of Africans.What the fuck? It was being used as a resort? Jesus fucking Christ.
Amazing show of empathy
Big jump to assume it hasn’t bud.
Doubt
Bigot.
Having empathy is being a bigot now?
Fuck off
No doubting my race is bigoted so let’s reverse that and you fuck off ya fuckin bigot.
Oh suddenly you care, huh?
Doubting you does not make sometime a bigot. It just means they don’t believe you. Especially with your comment history.
And burning it down means that you’re erasing your history and have zero respect for your family.
Yes, having an emotional stake in an issue can make people think differently, but it doesn’t make any POV objectively right.
Ignoring the context of a situation is completely useless.
So are generalized platitudes. On the flip side somebody might feel “different” about WWII if their sweet, beloved great grandpa was a gestapo officer, but that wouldn’t be a valid reason for anyone to change their opinion.