Why do so many people talk like this post is about whether or not you should burn these down or not? Or how they should be maintained?
Girls saw the burning plantation and took a selfie for the symbolic value of it. I don’t see them argue that people should destroy the historical evidence, or anything. They just took a strong symbolic Image and if you don’t like the symbolism in it, you are a weirdo.
Can we just appreciate their picture? Think about its symbolism?
And maybe then we can have the discussion about what to do with these things. People with no knowledge could start with listening. And if needed, they can add their perspective afterwards.
More burnt plantations please! We can put them out with confederate tears.
too late I drunked em’ all 😔
Hear hear, I will drink to that yes sir!
The lead in the paint and who tf knows what else (eg covered up arsenic paint or wallpaper) is in that smoke. Seriously avoid breathing in smoke from home fires, it has unfathomably deadly stuff in it
Generally speaking it’s best to avoid inhaling any smoke be it from a fire or even a cigarette.
Dude a place that old? Prolly has everything in it. Wouldn’t surprise me if a renovation in the 50s gave it some cadmium.
Yeah, fuck the south. Enjoy, ladies.
This is so incredibly stupid. We might aswell cripple most of the food production and burn down entire cities since most of the America and farms used to have some form of slavery or racism. Was that building still used for slavery, or did they just attack innoncent people and damaged their own food supply + economy? Like… why? What is one good thing you accomplished while causing 5 bad things?
EDIT: Note that I’m not from US so might be missing more context, but where I live, we usually don’t burn down historic buildings or museums because they host bad history. In fact, they’re protected by law as a culturally significant objects so others could learn.
Its as if auswitch administrative building was preserved in its peak state, had all its history scrubbed and added an option to host weddings with era approperiate costumes since the people weren’t actually gassed there.
It wasn’t a museom, it was whitewashing slavery.
And besides this is america. There are business signs in europe older than that building.
Using historical objects where peasants were banned from, to now allowing those that were banned to explore and utilize said objects freely? The horror. What do you think happens in every historical castle around the world? Should Chinese burn down forbidden city? The building isn’t even owned by the same family anymore, but some attorney and was added to historical buildings registry. The owner already said he hopes to rebuild it as it was both a reminder of brutal history of chattel slavery and economical drive (tourism) to the region.
Good job fighting the history, you really showed them, I’m sure the people in graves feel very insulted.
Are you under the impression that the girls in the photo burned down the plantation, or are you unaware of the history of such buildings in this nation, what they symbolize, and why the descendants of those brutalized in the shadow of those white pillars might be happy to see it burned down?
Nobody went and burned down the plantation because of its history. (Unless this turns out to be arson, which I would find entirely justifiable.)
The plantation burned down, and some folks are rightly rejoicing in the destruction of a nexus of brutality and harm.
If rich young descendants of nazis were getting married in auschwitz on the regular, I think that wouldn’t sit well with some folks, so I’m certainly not going to shed any tears about all the rich young white women who will have to find a better place to serve as the backdrop of their weddings.
Or is that that you don’t know what “early” means in this context? It would have been even more satisfying if it had waited a couple of weeks to burn down.
Note that I’m not from US so might be missing more context
This was a great film, and might lend some needed perspective.
I mean, if millions of people were killed as part of genocide in that building, I’m sure no one would think of hosting events there, but you’re comparing two vastly different things. The abuse that happened in that building is awful, but stop comparing it to genocide you goofball
EDIT: And no, I never said the girls themselves burned it and then took a selfie of the crime lol. I’m talking about people who do not see the problem with burning down historical places and are expressing their will to do it or support towards it.
As a german i am rather sure there are enough nutjobs that would like to marry in a historic concentration camp in ss uniforms
Ok. Really happy for you. Or sorry that it happened.
If it was a museum about the horrors of slavery you’d have a point, the problem is this was a resort. They were still literally profiting off of slavery…
Wait till you learn about half of the hotel resort histories. Many of them use castles and palaces that were just as mean towards slaves.
Transforming something with bad history into a hotel or resort is something that happens all the time, everywhere.
I mean, there is literally haunted hotels tourism, and those buildings have commonly seen some really dark stuff.
In my country, there is a prison hotel where I can spend a night in a building where my kind used to be… well, it’s history, so people like visiting those places, including me.
Should we burn them all?
IDK maybe? Are the people and political structures that committed those horrors still in power?
What? No, lol. I mean, modern slavery is a thing, but it’s not really a race thing anymore, neither it’s done by the government, but human trafficking and exploitation in general by criminal groups.
Sorry man you don’t know shit
Good and well thought out argument, your comment definitely made me support burnings of historical places. I had to check if Im on reddit
those smiles
those smiles make me smile
Daigle wrote. “The loss of Nottoway is not just a loss for Iberville Parish, but for the entire state of Louisiana. It was a cornerstone of our tourism economy and a site of national significance.”
Fuck that guy
I mean I like old houses and would have gone specifically to dunk on some asshole not owning their slave built home.
I don’t like religion but I don’t advocate burning them down either for the same reason.
Were it an actual museum of sorts, I’d agree. This wasn’t a place people went to learn about the horrors of slavery, it was a fucking resort
Yeah, visiting that should have been like visiting fucking Auschwitz, not a vacation.
Ahhh that’s why the US is such a shit country. I get it! It’s because of the genocide of the indigenous people. So the entire US is kinda like Auschwitz. It’s just not a place you want to live.
Contrasting the Plantation vs Auschwitz is about a living celebration of evil vs. a living reminder of evil. Which, I mean, I totally get it if you want to paint the whole nation with a brush like that, but I hope you at least apply that logic to all destruction of indigenous peoples and cultures, not just in the US.
The more accessible point to be made in this context is that Mt. Rushmore should be like Auschwitz. Given the nature of the Six Grandfathers and the Black Hills - yeah, absolutely.
And this here is why capitalism is good, it prevents the masses from forcing the horrors of history to be dull and gloomy just because the vast majority of people want it to be.
Oh thank God for the people working to make the horrors of history less horrible
Edit: oh shit, did I eat the onion? Imma feel bad about that downvote if I missed the implied /s
I almost missed it myself, but I’m quite confident it’s peeking out from behind “the vast majority of people want it”
Oh yeah that’s exactly what was happening there.
🤡
Wow, this was the strongest case of Poe’s law I’ve seen in awhile. Well done.
It literally was a museum it wasn’t profitable so it was sold and made a resort.
Well, people aren’t specifically advocating for this to be burnt down, they’re just happy to see a remnant of slavery gone away.
You can not advocate for something to happen but be glad it did.
I am specifically advocating for this to be burnt down. These monsters gleefully ignore the torture and murder that went on here when the building was made. Imagine modern Germans throwing parties and getting married at Buchenwald. Imagine if Dachau’s website made no mention of the 40,000+ people murdered there.
Historical sites shouldn’t be preserved just because they’re old. They should be preserved with context, and when the context is taken away, the reason to preserve them is as well.
You can not advocate for something to happen but be glad it did.
Agreed. I never advocated for violence against CEOs, but Luigi has already saved hundreds of lives (United healthcare started approving more claims immediately after BT died) and he revitalized the debate for socialized medicine so I am very glad he did was he did.
And the quoted person wasn’t for advocating or glorifying the history of the house or property and yet somehow you’re ok with insulting them personally.
It should have been bought by the fed and turned into a museum of shit Sherman didn’t burn.
turned into a museum of shit Sherman didn’t burn.
Shame they didn’t do that beforehand, then someone could’ve finished what Sherman started.
In Louisiana, they call their counties “parishes.” It has nothing to do with religion lol
Louisiana’s usage of the term “parish” for a geographic region or local government dates back to the French colonial and Spanish colonial periods and is connected to ecclesiastical parishes.
lol
Yes, it means “geographical region” in this context because we are not in French and Spanish colonial times… It is not religious any more.
The origin of the word ‘county’ is:
The term is derived from the Old French comté denoting a jurisdiction under the sovereignty of a count (earl) or, in his stead, a viscount (vicomte).
It no longer has anything to do with feudalism, just like parish has nothing to do with religion anymore.
I’m aware but if we’re talking about buildings built in the backs of inhumane acts then religion tops all but race and I’m pretty sure there would be a different reaction if it were a church burning down.
Oh I thought you were saying previously that it was burned due to a religious affiliation with the parish, I misunderstood your last sentence
If it ruined your families lives you might think differently.
I personally feel that the historical significance of a thing outweighing its own bloody history, and believe that keeping the thing around helps us to remember its evil history, which may help us prevent it from happening, again.
But, I also appreciate your POV. 🤷♂️
If white rich people are using it as a place to vacation and get married, it’s not a lesson and should burn.
People used that house for celebrations and weddings, not to remember its history
The slave quarters and other structures remain unburned, actually, so in fact the historical landmark/lesson is still there. :)
Ehh we gotta keep a few remnants around. Think, if none of these places existed, you’d get neo-nazis claiming shit like “slavery never existed, there is no evidence of such a thing, where are the buildings? Where are these so called “plantations”. Exactly, it never existed”.
The slave quarters and other structures remain unburned, actually, so in fact the historical landmark/lesson is still there. :)
You’re drawing really strange moral lines here.
How so?
Exactly, erasing these things threatens to erase history. Granted, this is a bad case to defend as a historical landmark of slavery, since it was being used as a venue and resort, and therefore glorifying a southern culture
largelywholly made from the enslavement of Africans.What the fuck? It was being used as a resort? Jesus fucking Christ.
Like the Confederate statues? Nah. Tear it down. It doesn’t serve as a reminder to prevent. It serves as a monolithic idol for shitty people to rally around and mythologize.
I don’t advocate burning history altogether, but keeping shitty places and statues around for shitty people to glorify serves the exact opposite of preserving the history. It just gives them hope and ideas that the “old days” will come back around. Take a picture or something and put it in a museum, at most. And make the museum about the horrific acts and atrocities, not about preserving the history of the vile.
There’s a reason the Vietnam memorial is so iconic. It lists the soldier’s names, and it preserves their legacy as a reminder of pointless war. But it doesn’t glorify the war. Same for the ground zero memorial in NYC. It does not glorify the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, nor the atrocities that occured over there despite the reminder from the Vietnam war. It serves to remind of the lives of many that were taken.
The only reason I’m okay with the preservation of the Holocaust memorial locations is that the history of the people murdered there is on display. The scratches in the walls. Their glasses and belongings. The current political situation aside, people can go there and see the evil that occured as a somber reminder. Whether they are one of the peoples that those atrocities happened to or not.
Yet still, shitty people pose on the tracks for instagram, or go there for the evil itself, rather than that somber reminder.
A slave house, plantation, or Confederate statue isn’t a somber reminder. It’s simply there because they want glorify the shitty acts and want them to come back around. They want to remind people what they think the worth of their existence is. They want to deify their generals and create some type of mythology to their history. There’s nothing there for the people who were abused or murdered in those times. It only stands currently so people now can say they want to preserve “the history,” which is the history of the abusers and the murderers.
Regarding confederate statues, I believe the only place they should be… is in their cemeteries. They should remove them from public lands and place them in the cemeteries.
This plantation house was used as a resort, so that’s a little off putting, and glorifying the history instead of being a sobering reminder of atrocity. I would have rather it be given over to the local government and turned into a museum against slavery. But, even then with how much the south glorifies the confederacy, the state wouldn’t have done a good job showing the evils of plantations like this.
Agreed on the second part. I don’t understand why anyone would want to sleep in a place like that.
But I disagree on the first part. Should all be rubble, imo. Glorifying the traitors just set us up for the current situation since the plants that have grown are just as rotten as the root imo. The only reason the man got office is because he co-opted the movement that’s been in play for at least 60 years by the likes of turtle-lookin fuckbag McConnell. Remember the Tea Party a few years ago? All of this is a culmination of years of effort by the right wings to push out progressive ideals. Trump just took advantage of the hysteria and pushed the GOP old guard out and set him up as narcissist supreme.
Remove the reminders of the old days as physical locations, imo.
No the statues are almost exclusively post civil war by like 50+ years. This house is an actual contemporary and iirc still has some of the slave quarters on property from when it was still a museum.
Amazing show of empathy
Big jump to assume it hasn’t bud.
Doubt
Bigot.
Having empathy is being a bigot now?
Fuck offNo doubting my race is bigoted so let’s reverse that and you fuck off ya fuckin bigot.
And burning it down means that you’re erasing your history and have zero respect for your family.
Yes, having an emotional stake in an issue can make people think differently, but it doesn’t make any POV objectively right.
Ignoring the context of a situation is completely useless.
So are generalized platitudes. On the flip side somebody might feel “different” about WWII if their sweet, beloved great grandpa was a gestapo officer, but that wouldn’t be a valid reason for anyone to change their opinion.
Beautiful building, awful history.
Waste of water trying to put it out, unless of course it was endangering nearby structures
Aside from nearby structures, generally you don’t want fire releasing toxins in the atmosphere,even were it just wood. Likely the are plastics, bad paints,and multiple other things we wouldn’t want just burnt willy nilly. Not that I’m against the destruction of the place; fuck that place.
Kudos for cutting out their names but I do love that they included “#BurntToACrisp”
where is that?
It’s on the FB post that is cut off here. The uncensored version is floating around BlackSky.
Edit: I missed that this isn’t the FB post. Someone took their picture from FB and reposted. But this is on BlackSky with the ladies names and a couple hashtags, one of which is “#BurntToACrisp”.
Good question, I just read the article and couldn’t find it either
I didn’t realise slavery continued in the US until so recently, mid 1800s? Yikes.
ITS STILL here, at least in very wasp areas, especially in country/golf clubs they still have hordes of African immigrants as “servers”, one english prof told me one time he dated a woman who im guessing is wealthy because they were eating at this country club, and all the severs there were African immigrants/migrants. and yes the people there that were in “high society were all white”
I understand what you are trying to say but isn’t it downplaying slavery (especially the racist slavery in this case) when equating it to seemingly racist hiring practices of country clubs? I would agree with you that it seems to be a romanization of the racist slavery. But slavery and a job is very different. The racism might be the same at its core but working in a job and working in slavery is very very different.
I am not defending the clubs. I just think slavery is a word that shouldn’t be deluded as it should be understood as the horror that it is.
If you think I am wrong, please let me know. Maybe my take is stupid.
Chattel slavery. Penal Slavery is still legal and targets mostly racial minorities.
It’s super important to really understand how fucked penal slavery and convict leasing is. When you think of American slavery you think of people working in a field and that it stopped with the civil war. It absolutely didn’t. They forced prisoners to work the fields after that.
California of all states voting to keep prison slavery legal in 2024 is how I know deep down inside we are truly well good and fucked.
probably need all those prisons to work for next to none to fight fires, or do govt work that nobody wants to work.
More like mid-1900s.
And yes, that’s talking about the the last chattal slave not being freed until 1942, not the same points others are making about prison slavery.
Even more shockingly, Mississippi only officially ratified the amendment to abolish slavery in… 1995.
And only officially submitted the paperwork concerning said ratification to the US Archives in… 2013.
No rush, guys. No rush.
Michael Moore had a TV show for a season. One part of one episode was dedicated to this as it was happening. Rusty Cundeiff, the writer and star of “Fear of a Black Hat”, hosts the bit. It’s worth 6-7 minutes.
It’s still around.
The amendment to USA’s constitution that “banned” slavery did so EXCEPT as punishment for a crime.
USA also has astoundingly high incarceration rates per capita. Coincidence?
They still have it, it’s just called prison labour now.
don’t worry, maga white supremacist snowflakes are in the process of rewriting that history to say the slaves “wanted” to be here, because of “opportunities” they didn’t have in the home they “voluntarily” left to be here. so, they weren’t “slaves,” but “immigrant workers”
“It’s just like a working VISA!”
Like the opportunity of not being shot
Don’t forget that they were gaining valuable skills to better themselves.
I don’t like this as a “stick it to em” thing. Personally, I want to see those women own that entire plantation, and transform it into a haven for the black community. If that means tearing it down, so be it. I want them to own that shit. I want the slave owning twats to be rolling in their graves over, not just a black person, but a black woman owning their shit.
That said, amazing selfie lol
Look at their faces! They know fate took its time granting this justice hundreds of years later … a slow burn.
Thanks for the context
they really could have parked that tower-ladder in a better spot.
Yeah, like back in the garage.
exactly! :)
Missed one
