If you’re somewhere like Australia or Japan, where it’s not a normal part of the culture, then fine
If you’re somewhere in the US where the laws around pay are shitty, and people rely on tips to survive, then you’re a cunt for not tipping
I think tipping is shit, and that people should just be paid properly, but I’m not blind to the realities of life when I travel. So I do what is appropriate to be a decent person
An individual not tipping has no impact on the status quo because the system doesn’t care about the reason people don’t tip.
A large number of people choosing not to purchase goods and services from businesses that rely on tipping could possibly have an impact, although it would probably be easier to get the laws changed than organize that many people.
People “organize” naturally. Theres already wide negative sentiment around tipping and especially the new places tips are asked for. We also don’t fix things until they break, so preventing it from breaking is counterproductive.
That depends entirely upon the context. There are many situations where not tipping is rude. There are also situations where tipping is rude. “Rude” is a quality related to social expectations. You can be unintentionally rude due to ignorance of the norms, and that doesn’t necessarily make you a bad person. But if you knowingly refuse to tip when tipping is expected for a provided service, then you’re a shitbag.
lmao you could have said coco or diamonds or meat packing or the World Cup or gestured vaguely at the country with the highest prison population, but you had to go with the fictional example. Or do you genuinely think China has slaves driving combine harvesters (unlike Angola or a dozen other prisons where slaves pick cotton by hand)?
I mean I don’t like tankies either but is this user wrong? it’s a little weird to use these flippant (and frankly, derogatory) stereotypes about China when there are so many examples of it around the world
it’s 2025 and we’re in middle of a trade war with china, just recovering from “kung flu” narratives and the far right just ran on a platform of fearmongering about china to initiate a fascist takeover of the USA.
maybe we should be mindful of how we talk about China.
If someone is not even attempting to getting the law that allows their core income to come from tips changed that makes one complicit and therefore obligated to tip.
If you are fine with server’s primary income coming from tips then you are obligated to tip.
you’re right, im wrong. next time i see someone busking im gonna take his tip cup and tell him what you just said. if he asks “why are you denying me my money that i worked for” ill just tell him “im not evil its just the system that makes you homeless”
Not tipping isn’t rude.
If you’re somewhere like Australia or Japan, where it’s not a normal part of the culture, then fine
If you’re somewhere in the US where the laws around pay are shitty, and people rely on tips to survive, then you’re a cunt for not tipping
I think tipping is shit, and that people should just be paid properly, but I’m not blind to the realities of life when I travel. So I do what is appropriate to be a decent person
Wouldn’t that typically be called an enabler?
No, it would be called complying with the system that exists.
Enabling the status quo.
An individual not tipping has no impact on the status quo because the system doesn’t care about the reason people don’t tip.
A large number of people choosing not to purchase goods and services from businesses that rely on tipping could possibly have an impact, although it would probably be easier to get the laws changed than organize that many people.
People “organize” naturally. Theres already wide negative sentiment around tipping and especially the new places tips are asked for. We also don’t fix things until they break, so preventing it from breaking is counterproductive.
We are not talking about those places. They can fuck off and I don’t tip there.
We are talking about wait staff who get the exceptionally low base pay where the majority of their income is expected to be from tips.
They dont like it either they just won’t bite the hand that feeds them, unsurprisingly.
sounds like the kind of argument that got Trump elected
That depends entirely upon the context. There are many situations where not tipping is rude. There are also situations where tipping is rude. “Rude” is a quality related to social expectations. You can be unintentionally rude due to ignorance of the norms, and that doesn’t necessarily make you a bad person. But if you knowingly refuse to tip when tipping is expected for a provided service, then you’re a shitbag.
Not those refusing to pay them properly?
If you knowingly buy chinese goods produced with slave labor you’re a shitbag and they’re a shitbag. There can be more than one shitbag in the chain.
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how far do you want to take it, though? who made your socks?
https://carolinahosiery.com/ And I can not recommend them enough. Seriously the best work socks I’ve found.
I want to take it as far as it needs to go.
don’t know why i’m getting downvoted, i was just trying to make a point. and you countered beautifully.
Mine was too at first. Lemmings be lemmings. It kind of acts like when reddit started doing “vote fuzzing”. I don’t pay them any mind.
nah, i know for sure i’ve pissed some people off with all my shitposting and now they just downvote all my comments lol
lmao you could have said coco or diamonds or meat packing or the World Cup or gestured vaguely at the country with the highest prison population, but you had to go with the fictional example. Or do you genuinely think China has slaves driving combine harvesters (unlike Angola or a dozen other prisons where slaves pick cotton by hand)?
Tankies can fuck off.
Not agreeing with american propaganda = tankie, got it.
You must have big wrinkly brain mister.
I mean I don’t like tankies either but is this user wrong? it’s a little weird to use these flippant (and frankly, derogatory) stereotypes about China when there are so many examples of it around the world
it’s 2025 and we’re in middle of a trade war with china, just recovering from “kung flu” narratives and the far right just ran on a platform of fearmongering about china to initiate a fascist takeover of the USA.
maybe we should be mindful of how we talk about China.
Yes. Do you have reputable sources that show no chinese goods are made using Uyghur forced labor?
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Do you eat chocolate?
Yes, the people refusing to pay them properly are the shitbags. The employer is a shitbag, and the customer who refuses to tip is a shitbag.
If someone is not even attempting to getting the law that allows their core income to come from tips changed that makes one complicit and therefore obligated to tip.
If you are fine with server’s primary income coming from tips then you are obligated to tip.
if you’re utilizing a service that pays subminimum wage conditional on tips making up the difference, then yes, it’s not rude. it’s straight up evil.
if you have a moral objection to tipping, then dont use services that pay workers subminimum wage
But the evil is in the hyper capitalist mindset of your insane government
you’re right, im wrong. next time i see someone busking im gonna take his tip cup and tell him what you just said. if he asks “why are you denying me my money that i worked for” ill just tell him “im not evil its just the system that makes you homeless”