At first, I thought people were exaggerating by calling her comics a strawman, as the situation mentioned in the comic above happens too commonly.
I did a little digging and found this deleted thread.
To my surprise she turned out exactly like people she seems to be calling out.
Edit: added url
Edit 2: She didn’t respond and went radio silent on people who shared their experience and called her out.
Edit 3 : Found this in the same thread
lol, this feels like the convo in a nutshell…
Alice: “Bob, I’ll bet you could never imagine what it would feel like if X happened to you.”
Bob: “Actually X has happened to me.”
Alice: “Jesus fucking Christ, Bob! Not everything’s about you!”
lemmy users when they see a lukewarm webcomic (they can just block the community)
Probably just because she’s constantly on the front page of Reddit. I had blocked her there which solved the problem for me. But if she starts getting reposted a lot here there’s no escaping it.
Not to downplay the fact that there are some loud mysogynists. But there are legitimate artistic crituques that shouldn’t be lumped in with them.
Lemmy got a bit worse lately sadly
Truth to be said Lemmy has negative resistance to bad actors due to its nature and implementation.
If we treat social media like stock market then fundamental analysis of Lemmy does not bode well for long term investment so to speak.
Or to put it yet another way. Lemmy is less shitty than reddit and that says a lot about how enshittified and unusable Reddit is in 2025
I can see that people don’t always know how to word their critique. But the point is simple: This is a toxic way to deal with that type of annoyance in your life. It’s a comic, indeed, maybe not meant to be taken seriously, but I would much better see comics about interesting, or fun things. This type of ordinary, sarcastic social commentary you present as a comic does not help your cause nor make the sub a better place. Let’s not perpetrate the “owning” culture so prevalent in social media. Shall you?
i enjoy pizzacake! glad to still see her work here
It’s such a stupid satire by a sad person who can’t address valid criticism and who feel that their only recourse is to make up a fantasy.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child. She puts herself online and gets scrutinized and criticized.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own. Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
This is one of the most prominent parts of manosphere ideology, and they are not quiet about it or shy about sharing it. We used to call it “negging”. This comic is pointing out the absurdity of toxic men thinking they are too good for most women.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child.
I have no idea what the reality is for this cartoonist, nor do I care, but you’ve managed to make three misogynistic value judgments in one short sentence, which is kind of impressive in a sad and pathetic way. First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother. Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men. Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own.
Maybe not, but it sure comes off as an endorsement of their values.
Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
Dude. You are the guy in the comic.
First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother.
Single motherhood is not easy, and I have sympathy for any woman who has become a single mother with no power of her own. The critique is not aimed at single motherhood, but rather at women who make (selfish) decisions in life that leaves the children without a father. It cannot be understated how damaging that can be for her children.
One reason why I said that certain internet personalities deserve criticism on their own is that they advocate for men engaging in promiscuity and cause the same problems that these personalities claim they dislike.
Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men.
Yes, it’s a factor that men will judge a woman by. It makes sense, because a more extensive past will more likely affect a future relationship.
Men should be held to a higher standard as well, I don’t disagree with that.
Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents. It’s clear that single motherhood is not something to be desired, neither for the children nor the mothers themselves. Many single mothers are complaining, on the internet about this, so it’s strange that you are trying to defend them by claiming that there is no issue to complain about…
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
I wasn’t talking about the cartoonist. I was talking about the made up characters that supposedly reflect reality. When someone sees this comic, it’s most likely that they don’t think about who drew it. They will likely see the comic in isolation from the artist, just like I did.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents.
By who? Where?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2930824/
That’s like the one thing in his rant that he’s not wrong about
Just, eww!! Fucking eeewww!! 🤮
Sorry for the unfamiliar opinions. Do you need me to call a doctor?
Yeah, uh no, not unfamiliar. See the above comic. You are in it and it’s got your panties all in a twist apparently.
People who need some professional assistance will do that shit you’re talking about.
I was emoting how sick you make me feel, when one of you randomly creeps up. And especially when you think anyone cares about your weird ideals, for any gender.
I think the problem is that you think I’m arguing in bad faith, and I’m not. Nor is anything that I said that controversial.
No offense, but I think you really need to touch some grass.
Oh my. Well since I only get on here periodically, I think YOU should get your Very Own Personal Tag!
Then, if you’re still around after I unblock you, I’ll get to see your fancy lil tag if you shownup, and remember how sensitive you got over a comic. That you coulda’ just ignored ffs.
Oh great…the 4channers are here…
Wrong. Try again.
Stop. Get some help.
Take your own advice, kiddo.
You’ve never seen the “I wouldn’t even date you” negging, where adult-aged boys try to trick women into pleading their case to the kid?
I think I go to the bar 2 or 3 times a year, and I’ve seen it several times. I’m glad that doesn’t seem to be as much of a thing in the gay community, at least that I’ve seen.
It depends on who the male character in the comic is supposed to be. If it’s in that setting, then yeah I can imagine it happening.
I was thinking about MGTOWs and internet personalities who use words like “high value male/female”, and my interpretation of this comic is that this is supposed to be satire of them. If that’s what the comic artist was going for then, I believe my criticism is deserved.
If it’s referencing immature men saying “I wouldn’t even date you” to women they actually find attractive, well, I haven’t seen it myself but I can imagine it happening. That’s however not what I was thinking about addressing this comic.
The comic is a bit ambiguous about what it’s talking about specifically.
Next, you’re going to tell me that a snail doing cocaine isn’t realistic?
No, no, shh, I want to believe.
You’d have made a valid point if you stopped half way through.
You are free to disagree, but I don’t feel I would have been able to complete my point without the second half.
Thanks, saved me having to write that. There is a lot of valid criticism women can level against “the modern man”, depending on the culture they live in. But this is not it. I have never heard of a guy claiming to be of higher status and cussing off a woman who rejected him. Maybe we sometimes think we’re higher status than a woman or whatever, but then again we do that with other men too. It’s a human thing, not a gender thing. Women most definitely categorize men into lower and higher strata subconsciously too, if nothing else.
I’m glad to hear from someone else who is seeing what I’m seeing.
The sarcastic strong and independent woman vs a stupid man meme has nothing to do with reality whatsoever. The worst part is that it’s masking some serious issues society is dealing with.
“I, as a man, have never encountered this scenario myself. Therefore, it is completely made up and reason to be further misogynistic.” Is all I saw there brother.
You’re probably in good company then, but should still strive to do a lot better.
What kind of narcissistic fuck refers to himself as “high value man”
It’s taking the piss out of Andrew Tate and the gullible guys that he’s convinced are superior to women.
From all the trending news articles, ten year old boys who got access to tik tok
it’s definitely not just the ten year olds that think this shit.
Mentally, they’re all still ten-year-olds.
Yeah, shittiest shit stains figured out they could blast on Tik Tok. And Tik Tok sees no problem inserting these videos between “why do we use cinnamon on everything” and “why is the sky blue”
iirc, doesn’t china explicitly not allow such shit on their version of tiktok? so it’s just letting america cut their own throat basically?
They’re probably just milking the market.
Just trying to get em while they’re young.
I still have both kidneys, so I’d say I’m pretty “high-value”
I still have both kidneys
So, if a date says you’re “potentially a great match”, clarify “organ donor or personality match”, okay?
Gestures wildly at the men, many in positions of power, around the world, who very obviously would do that.
Same vibes when guys call themselves kings, or girls call themselves queens.
I’ve seen it in screenshots people have taken of posts from various “man-o-sphere” influencers on places like Twitter. Obviously the problem with them saying it is that none of the guys referring to themselves as such are actually worth knowing, let alone dating.
A manosphere twat, that’s who.
Leon Musk, for example.
Just look at this thread. How many people in this thread are acting superior to her because she has an only fans or because of some other stupid reddit reason. The people are acting “high valued” and superior even if they dont say it. She’s literally using this comment to tell readers that these peoples opinions have no influence on her life, and all its doing is making them more upset. To me, that’s why this comic is funny
Yea, it’s kind of a shit show. When I posted there were no other comments yet.
I’m surprised people are being offended by the comic. Just because it’s about a narcissistic asshole who never grew up after high school, doesn’t mean that represents everyone.
I took it as a “Don’t judge a book by its cover” kind of message. Also loved the humor of the woman’s sarcasm. Why do people have to make it about race or gender?
Let me guess, someone who’s such an egregious self-important A-hole that they are unfuckable? But I’m just guessing.
Narcissus was always trying to dodge annoying suitors, so I don’t think he’d want to call himself high value in that context.
The kind made of straw
Seriously – my wife takes 0% of my bullshit, and that’s such a great quality. Just sayin’.
My wife tolerates a little of my bullshit. But that tolerance may be because she can’t tell if I’m just being weird or not. And she knew I was different when she was dating me and yet she still married me.
I love seeing these comics. You can always count on like 20 white males showing up asking how this is funny, that it’s a strawman, that pizzacake is terrible, blah blah blah.
The simple thing is, they are comics that give a flavor of the times. Males ARE acting this way. Is it a caricature of a scenario, sure, but that’s what a fucking comic is. Does it have to be “funny” in order to be a comic? No, there are political comics everywhere. Why does pizzacake only get this sort of ire? Is it because she’s calling out white males on the absurdity of their actions, and they don’t like it?
My advice? Chill TF out bros. It’s a comic. If you don’t like it, maybe you should talk to your buddies when they start acting like Andrew Taint’s mouthpiece. Toxic masculinity is a real issue. Sorry that it takes a fucking pizzacake comic to discuss it…
Crazy how many folks can’t scroll past something they aren’t interested in. And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really. Their delicate eyes witnessed it, thus they were compelled to come make a comment.
I don’t think I’d ever find it appropriate to whine in the comments of a user’s post, over a post breaking no rules. I have, and would… just scroll by.
I don’t see “No Pizza Cake” in the rules… why would someone think it would just never show up?
I think it’s basically internet law at this point, if Pizzacake is posted, cranky men must make it known that they find her (and her comics) cRinGe and mEdiOcRe and also she’s a mAnHaTer (dontchaknow).
And yet they subscribe to her OF
No, they don’t.
Methinks he doth protest too much.
So you honestly think people who can’t stand her, subscribe to her OF?
Do you spend a lot of time on Fox News? What about Teslas? Do you have one? No? Big fan of Christianity? No? Well, that MUST mean you go to church! Right?
Where do you people find this broken logic?
What I posted was what we like to call a joke. Actually it was a well trod reference to Hamlet by William Shakespeare.
See, the thing about humor, it’s often irrational. I’m not going to get into a grounded debate with you, as you do not deserve the energy and much like a pigeon, are perfectly happy to shit everywhere and fly off when you’re bored.
But for posterity, it doesn’t really matter if you do or don’t pay for her OnlyFans, it only matters that it bothers you. And that tiny little twinge of shadenfruede warms the cockles.
What I posted is what we like to call illustrative sarcasm.
And what is funny is that you think my illustrating your bad joke is a representation of what bothers me without ever having known who I am or what I’m about.
lol
I basically made you illustrate the argument against her by your own example.
I judge her on what she has said and done. You’ve judged me on who you need me to be so your opinion appears to be valid.
i mean, the best punishment for bad art is lack of engagement.
I don’t think pizzacake is a troll (as in makes bad comics so it gets negative engagement), but here we are.
People complaining about her in the comments actually helps her.
if you don’t like it, just move along, don’t give hold her in your head like that zen story about crossing the river with a girl.
I’ll be honest, I kinda wanted lemmy to not have the same mentality as the audience of r/comics who just straight up hate all men. But it looks like these comments are kind of a warzone. I wonder if the mods from that sub have any power here? They defend her from even polite and constructive criticism.
I was similarly disappointed. This kind of humor isn’t funny at all. It’s just a made up scenario to trigger people. I can’t prove that it’s b8 but, if it’s not, it’s damn close.
Bro, I wouldn’t call this “hate all men” content. If you think all men (or even a majority of men) are like that guy, you need to rework your thought patterns.
And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really
So just scroll past it if you don’t like it?
Feeling called out?
Are you? I haven’t whined on this post, so that’s a weird accusation to make. Methinks you’re projecting, sorry your delicate eyes witnessed an opinion you don’t like.
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This comic is neither funny nor thoughtful. I’d say it’s getting the critique it deserves.
I found d it funny. It’s almost like funny is a subjective thing.
Who is pizzacake and why do so many commenters dislike them?
From the comments, it seems the artist herself isn’t well liked.
From knowing nothing about the artist, but having seen a huge bulk of these comics: Maybe they’re incels. 🤷🏻♂️ These do tend to be about toxic masculinity and just bad male behavior in general. It’s like seeing a Republican hating someone because that someone they hate calls out Republican bullshit. Considering the vagueness of the hate expressed in the thread, I am leaning toward this being the actual case.
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Or maybe because she threatened illegitimate DMCA take downs of parodies on r/bonehurtingjuice resulting in mass censorship of any criticism of the fact that one of her comics was insensitive to victims of male sexual assault.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/pizzacake_posts_are_now_banned/
Yeah… Based on all the relevant info and links there, I definitely don’t think the hate is actually based on “illegitimate DMCA” takedown requests.
Yeah, no. A male SA survivor expressed sincere perspective, claiming the original comic insensitive. It was the top comment before it was removed with many other responses. Just read the posts linked in the comment below the one I shared. It’s not incel garbage (mostly), she’s an intolerable Karen. She’s got the mods censoring that sub, it’s one of the reasons I left reddit. (I’ve been banned multiple times for expressing these facts.) They ban people for being critical. I think hating her for being unfunny or having an only fans is dumb. On the other hand, hating on her for being an unapologetic asshole is fine. She’s earned it.
Edit: just read the convo
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/comment/lurmced/
Don’t they lock your ability to make new accounts when you get banned?
They reversed my ban from the comics sub after appealing.
It’s still extremely problematic that this being painted as incels vs pizza. She has had bad takes on free health care, male survivors, and equating all criticism to misogynistic haters. She doubles down and never argues in good faith.
I really like BHJ. It’s fun and chill. She just didn’t like that people were being critical of her takes. The mods were actively removing hateful content and responses. They expressed willingness to help remove any offending content.
Now, you can’t even mention her name on the sub without threat of ban. It’s ridiculous that she’d try DMCA against something so clearly fair use. Weaponizing it like that isn’t even legal. The mods couldn’t be bothered to fight it though.
I politically agree with her mostly and find some of her comics sincerely funny, but she’s still being a dick.
literally reads the thing they linked and still doesn’t agree with them
“Bro just read it until you agree with me.”
Just read it again, but harder. Then you’ll agree!
Toxic PCC fans strong on Lemmy already? This community is a lost cause
“It’s about journalism, dammit!”
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I have no idea what their deal is but one comic sure did cause a lot of butthurt.
Being a misogynist overbearing male asshole makes one unfuckable. They are the probably bitter about having that obvious truth pointed out to their dumb asses.
For real. Their ideaology is so twisted. They think that in order to attract women, they should be a what a man’s idea of an attractive man is. And instead, being what a woman would find attractive is somehow… gay? Like, I just don’t get it, like there’s a very fundamental misunderstanding of what it is they are trying to do. Very square peg in a round hole situation.
She’s very reddit
Have a good read, it’s interesting if you like manufactured drama for the sake of publicity.
Huh, that comic and the responses makes me realize how much people can’t notice their own blind spots, including within the comic itself.
Like in this section with people saying it’s exaggerated or nobody actually talks like that (because they don’t ever perceive it in real life and it seems to ridiculous to be real), and the comic referenced in your link where she says if men were responded to that way, because she apparently can’t see that it is how men are responded to for many of those things, because she’s so used to seeing women as the victims of that stuff perpetrated by mostly men (which is reasonable! What situations would she see the opposite?). What’s telling, though, is the way one side pegs her as a misandrist for it and shit on her work and herself for it, and the other side pegs those for being misogynist for taking issue with her (though, in fairness, some are and will hate on anything by a woman discussing problems for women).
Basically, I feel like this is two groups yelling past each other and being upset about the same issue: gender-based mistreatment. But another key thing is… well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over. And the women, just like with 2X, should take this stuff with a grain of salt (especially when someone presumes to know what men’s experiences are). Stuff is exaggerated to pinpoint an issue, but you shouldn’t let it poison your view of the world (or men).
Basically, I feel like there’s value in comics like PizzaCake’s, but the heavy commenting should be expected, not hated on. The most value people can get from it would be hearing other perspectives without insulting them for having a different one than your own. Except the actual misogynists (and misandists), they can fuck off, but I think it’s worth giving the benefit of the doubt to start.
I saw that thread and honestly wanted to comment something like this, but I thought it would be better to let it go unsaid.
And she refused to even acknowledge that she might suffer from the same blind spot she is accusing others of.
Edit: the archive link : https://archive.is/xfVPD
well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over.
So, to cite the devil, as men should not interject in women’s spaces when misandrist tropes are being normalised there, so women should not interject in men’s spaces when men are normalising misogyny.
I don’t know about you but I don’t think that’s the solution to society’s issues. In fact, we should have a standard of both sides policing their own spaces against harmful tropes.
Probably misogyny.
The art is incredibly bland, the points they make are very surface level, and the artist is an awful person.
So many people think they’re owning the libs or whatever by posting them.
Some people just seem to find low hanging fruit to their tastes.
No idea why, though if I had to guess, it’s probably because it takes no effort to understand any of it.
Like how children play with blocks. They’re easy.
That’s a very good way of putting it.
Honestly if someone is referring to themselves as “high value” anything then it’s pretty clearly a low value thought. Doesn’t really matter who they are.
