• Finnish_nationalisti@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    20
    ·
    1 year ago

    I suppose you support killing millions of Koreans and bombing 70% of Pyongyang? Afterwards sanctioning the country to hell?

    • jet@hackertalks.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      We just have to look at how the populations are faring between the two systems. Which population is enjoying a better quality of life? The Koreas are an experiment of the capitalist society versus the central economy. So we can take this data how we like. As far as sanctions go Korea has a land border with both Russia and China, so that should not have been a major factor in the centrally planned economy.

      • Finnish_nationalisti@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yes please lets do that. Which system has twice the higher birth rates? Which system has more than twice larger military? Which system is self-sufficient? Which system has preserved their national culture and hasn’t degenerated into little USA? Which system survived a genocidial war and being sanctioned by almost the entire world?

        The two Koreas are a perfect example indeed, the South is for the degenerate liberals who only care about their access to fast food and porn, while the North is for patriots that wish to preserve their unique culture and way of life.

        • jet@hackertalks.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          1 year ago

          Great. I agree. Let’s open the border between the Koreas and let people self-select.

            • jet@hackertalks.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              10
              ·
              1 year ago

              South Korea’s perfectly able to disinvite the United States it whenever it wants.

              Let’s not move the goal post. The theory we’re testing is that North Korea is superior to South Korea for the civilians. So we don’t need to change anything to test this theory. Just open the border. And let anybody move with no restrictions. That’ll help us see which is better for the people.

              • Finnish_nationalisti@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                12
                ·
                1 year ago

                South Korea’s perfectly able to disinvite the United States it whenever it wants.

                Lmao, sure

                Let’s not move the goal post. The theory we’re testing is that North Korea is superior to South Korea for the civilians. So we don’t need to change anything to test this theory. Just open the border. And let anybody move with no restrictions. That’ll help us see which is better for the people.

                Its not moving any goal posts, remove the hostile precense first. Btw, why do you think South Korea needs to bribe any possible defectors with almost a million dollars? Surely just escaping the horrible North would be enough incentive? Why are there so few North Korean defectors, and even some of them complain how the North was better?

                You’re making it seem like the country is split only due to the North. As if it is their decision.

                • jet@hackertalks.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I don’t see what’s wrong with just letting everybody move how they want. Don’t pay them at all. See where they move. Why can’t we do that experiment?

                  • Finnish_nationalisti@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    11
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Ok, we cant do such an experiment though, as neither country allows moving to either one. Tell me, why doesn’t South Korea allow their citizens to even enter North Korea? Surely the freedom and liberty loving South Korea should allow this freedom to their citizens, are they not confident in their absolute superiority?

            • kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              1 year ago

              You said sanctioned by the West, not the US. The West didn’t start sanctions until 2006. The US wasn’t a primary trading partner of any eastern bloc county during the cold war so it wouldn’t have made a difference.

                • kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  Show me the proof that members of the West other than the US sanctioned North Korea between 1991 and 2006.

                  Even Russia sanctioned North Korea starting in 2013 for their behavior.

                  • Finnish_nationalisti@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    4
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Show me the proof that members of the West other than the US sanctioned North Korea between 1991 and 2006.

                    Ah i see the goal posts have moved. Why don’t you show me proof that there was any trade between the West and North Korea between this time. An embargo doesn’t have to be an announced and official one.

                    Even Russia sanctioned North Korea starting in 2013 for their behavior.

                    And?

                    Really i don’t even understand how this matters in the first place, i wouldn’t have thought the claim that North Korea has been sanctioned would be so controversial. Pretty sure its common knowledge. Isn’t it called the “hermit kingdom” or some such too?