She was trying to win an election by appealing to Republicans who didn’t like Trump. Bringing in Republicans who don’t agree with Democrats but were against Trump seemed like a good idea. Her only problem was not running ads that attacked how bad the economy was under Trump and not outright lying like Trump did to win the election.
But that’s beside the point that the claim was that Democrats are farther right than 1995-2000 Republicans which is objectively false.
She was trying to win an election by appealing to Republicans who didn’t like Trump.
I.E., choosing to alienate the Democratic base by appealing to those they oppose.
Bringing in Republicans who don’t agree with Democrats but were against Trump seemed like a good idea.
Seemed. Past tense. I.E., an acknowledgement that Harris’ choice of stage partners didn’t actually help her in the election.
Her only problem was not running ads that attacked how bad the economy was under Trump and not outright lying like Trump did to win the election.
You must not be an American if you think that appeals to the distant past like that will work on our goldfish-brains.
But that’s beside the point that the claim was that Democrats are farther right than 1995-2000 Republicans which is objectively false.
You must not have lived through that era if you don’t recall all the Democrat warmongers after 2001 or capitalists like Clinton boosting the prison population in the 90’s.
choosing to alienate the Democratic base by appealing to those they oppose.
Uniting everyone who didn’t like Trump was a good idea.
distant past like that will work on our goldfish-brains.
That’s exactly why Trump’s economic failure needed to be the primary message. Everyone forgot.
You must not have lived through that era if you don’t recall all the Democrat warmongers after 2001 or capitalists like Clinton boosting the prison population in the 90’s.
??? That exactly proves my point. The OP claimed today’s Democrats are farther right than the Republicans from 25+ years ago. You just gave more examples of how past Democrats were not the far leftists that current American kids imagine.
Uniting everyone who didn’t like Trump was a good idea.
And instead of doing that, the Democrats once again divided their own base to chase the mythical moderate republican.
The people they were appealing to were not just Republicans, they were still republicans after Trump’s first term. If they had any issues with Trump’s “leadership”, they had plenty of time to come to terms with them and leave the party of their own accord.
That the Democrats thought appeals to this demographic would improve their position reveals that they fundamentally do not understand the electorate they hope to woo.
That’s exactly why Trump’s economic failure needed to be the primary message. Everyone forgot.
Yeah, everyone was distracted with how shitty the economic situation was under Biden. Harris had an opportunity to break from that and squandered it by sticking to Biden’s “no really, the economy is good” gaslighting message. The Dems could have made a bunch of false promises like the Republicans and maybe gotten a stalemate on this issue at the ballot box, but that would be a bit of a reach.
Those are all good points but they still don’t have anything to do with my original rebuttal of the claim that Democrats are now further right than Republicans from 25 years ago.
The left is waiting for an actual left candidate and the Democrats keep running moderate right-wingers who wouldn’t have been out of place on the Republican ticket 25 years ago.
25 years ago Republicans wanted to overturn Roe V Wade. 25 years ago Republicans wanted to stop don’t ask don’t tell and outright ban gays from the military. 25 years ago no Republicans supported gay marriage. 25 years ago Republicans complained about DEI. 25 years ago Republicans were against legalized Marijuana. 25 years ago Republicans were against any healthcare reform. 25 years ago Republicans talked about privatizing Social Security.
Harris was objectively not equivalent to a Republican from 25 years ago. The bullshit that Democrats got worse is what got Trump elected.
Democrats 24 years ago we’re trying to pass comprehensive medical coverage. Republicans said it should be up to the employer. Now the right say that no one is entitled to any compensation or benefits without struggle. Dems today argue that medical coverage must be tied to employment or else welfare will spike. The Dems are actively using the strategy of a pre-millenium American right wing. Fuck, go find anything Newt Gingrich has to say on the topic during the Clinton years and show me how it’s different from Josh Shapiro or pre-VP Harris in 2016.
The 2010 ACA is far more comprehensive than the Democrat platform from 2000.
You are imagining a past Democratic party that never existed. Back in 2007, Obama was against gay marriage. Before him Clinton was, “Don’t ask, don’t tell- or you’ll be removed from service.” It’s another example of how Democrats have moved left.
Democrats are farther left than they were 25 years ago. You hold Democrats to an ideal that never existed to rationalize your letting Trump win.
She was trying to win an election by appealing to Republicans who didn’t like Trump. Bringing in Republicans who don’t agree with Democrats but were against Trump seemed like a good idea. Her only problem was not running ads that attacked how bad the economy was under Trump and not outright lying like Trump did to win the election.
But that’s beside the point that the claim was that Democrats are farther right than 1995-2000 Republicans which is objectively false.
I.E., choosing to alienate the Democratic base by appealing to those they oppose.
Seemed. Past tense. I.E., an acknowledgement that Harris’ choice of stage partners didn’t actually help her in the election.
You must not be an American if you think that appeals to the distant past like that will work on our goldfish-brains.
You must not have lived through that era if you don’t recall all the Democrat warmongers after 2001 or capitalists like Clinton boosting the prison population in the 90’s.
Uniting everyone who didn’t like Trump was a good idea.
That’s exactly why Trump’s economic failure needed to be the primary message. Everyone forgot.
??? That exactly proves my point. The OP claimed today’s Democrats are farther right than the Republicans from 25+ years ago. You just gave more examples of how past Democrats were not the far leftists that current American kids imagine.
And instead of doing that, the Democrats once again divided their own base to chase the mythical moderate republican.
The people they were appealing to were not just Republicans, they were still republicans after Trump’s first term. If they had any issues with Trump’s “leadership”, they had plenty of time to come to terms with them and leave the party of their own accord.
That the Democrats thought appeals to this demographic would improve their position reveals that they fundamentally do not understand the electorate they hope to woo.
Yeah, everyone was distracted with how shitty the economic situation was under Biden. Harris had an opportunity to break from that and squandered it by sticking to Biden’s “no really, the economy is good” gaslighting message. The Dems could have made a bunch of false promises like the Republicans and maybe gotten a stalemate on this issue at the ballot box, but that would be a bit of a reach.
Those are all good points but they still don’t have anything to do with my original rebuttal of the claim that Democrats are now further right than Republicans from 25 years ago.
I don’t recall rebutting that point. It’s kind of a central feature of my argument.
You wrote this:
25 years ago Republicans wanted to overturn Roe V Wade. 25 years ago Republicans wanted to stop don’t ask don’t tell and outright ban gays from the military. 25 years ago no Republicans supported gay marriage. 25 years ago Republicans complained about DEI. 25 years ago Republicans were against legalized Marijuana. 25 years ago Republicans were against any healthcare reform. 25 years ago Republicans talked about privatizing Social Security.
Harris was objectively not equivalent to a Republican from 25 years ago. The bullshit that Democrats got worse is what got Trump elected.
Refusing to enshrine it into law when Democrats had the chance is the same thing as overturning it.
Today, Democrats are sitting on their asses and letting Trump ban whoever he wants from the militaty
Today, Democrats are probably going to run Gavin Newsome for the next presidential campaign
Today, Democrats are holding their tongues as Republicans villainize diversity wholesale.
Today, a Democrat on my own city’s council vetoed a popular ballot measure to allow a recreational dispensary.
Today, Democrats have given up on healthcare reform after passing Romneycare nearly two decades ago.
Today, Democrats are sitting by as Republicans dismantle it.
Wanting to keep Roe V Wade isn’t wanting to overturn it.
Americans voted to give all three branches of the government to Republicans. Democrats have no power.
Harris is not equivalent to Republicans from 25 years ago on this issue.
Harris supported gay marriage. That wasn’t a Republican position 25 years ago.
Was that Democrat Kamala Harris?
Who has the majority of the house, senate and Supreme Court? Who is president?
Again Harris is not equivalent to a Republican from 25 years ago.
Which happened because of the bullshit claims that Democrats were like Republicans. Both sides bad so don’t vote.
Democrats 24 years ago we’re trying to pass comprehensive medical coverage. Republicans said it should be up to the employer. Now the right say that no one is entitled to any compensation or benefits without struggle. Dems today argue that medical coverage must be tied to employment or else welfare will spike. The Dems are actively using the strategy of a pre-millenium American right wing. Fuck, go find anything Newt Gingrich has to say on the topic during the Clinton years and show me how it’s different from Josh Shapiro or pre-VP Harris in 2016.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
No they weren’t.
Expanding Medicaid to welfare and age 55+ is not universal healthcare.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2000-democratic-party-platform
The 2010 ACA is far more comprehensive than the Democrat platform from 2000.
You are imagining a past Democratic party that never existed. Back in 2007, Obama was against gay marriage. Before him Clinton was, “Don’t ask, don’t tell- or you’ll be removed from service.” It’s another example of how Democrats have moved left.
Democrats are farther left than they were 25 years ago. You hold Democrats to an ideal that never existed to rationalize your letting Trump win.