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So why were they blocked?
One of their main contributors are in US sanctioned regions (Russia) so they can’t access it.
Really! Can’t believe them. Yeah fk microsoft.
Microsoft literally had no choice.
when you’re a corporation with billions of dollars and US politicians cost millions on the high end, you can choose to do whatever you want.
It is still an unnecessary risk for them.
true, but let’s not pretend that they were without agency in this decision and in decisions leading up to the current context.
When the big tech guys showed up to the inauguration and sat in the front row to pay tribute it was such a clear example of how capital always yields to authoritarians.
“Microsoft continues to work with Russians despite sanctions due to ongoing war in Ukraine” is probably not a headline they want to see.
Of course not, but can you say that it’s not convenient for them to stiffle foss alternatives to microsoft/apple/google software? many open source projects are at least partially made by russian developers.
Government and major corporations are the exact same entity in the US.
Exactly. The real issue is the sanctions against Russia. Why those sanctions involve FOSS projects, I’ll never understand.
Russia is being sanctioned because of its aggressive war against Ukraine.
Microsoft aren’t the bad guys for enforcing international sanctions.
So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit
Yes. That’s how sanctions work.
Part of the intention is to pressure citizens of the country for violating international law so they exert pressure on their governments to stop.
Another part is to remove the use of tooling to support the sanctioned nation.
Russia could stop the war and problem is solved. This isn’t Microsoft being the bad guy, this is Microsoft following international law.
Does that work?
Is it right to tell random people “hey you, it’s your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us”?
No, it’s not right.
People on these forums have been conditioned to see the world through their fairytale-lens and nothing else, though.
A part of oppression is removing people’s ability to fight back. Anyone who holds the average Russian responsible for the war is just playing into the hands of the cabal. It’s like they never heard of Navalny, or any other Russian dissenters.
These people need our help. We shouldn’t victim-blame them and say they need to topple a dictator all on their own.
Same goes for North Korea.
“Is it right?” Are you kidding? Yes, it’s obviously a better alternative than invading another country and killing people. It’s one of the ways we have learned, as a species, to avoid massive wars and losses of life. If you’re advocating for war as an alternative then you should fuck off and die so you don’t get other people killed in the process.
Is a strictly enforced economic sanction better than an all out regime change invasion/occupation of another sovereign country that costs the lives of millions… we’ll have to get back to you on that one.
I assume most Russian GitHub users use a VPN to avoid it. He has chosen not to in order to make a point.
The real worry is what happens when the US declares sanctions on random allies in their stupid “trade war”…
Once the US starts saying that nobody who trades with the US can deal with Canada, Denmark, Mexico, etc… then it starts to get interesting.
Or if the US fucks up enough for the rest of the world to put a UNO reverse card on the US. If China and the EU do that, the US is fucked within a few months. A “you can’t trade with either of these markets when you trade with the US” would be interesting.
And tbh, from what I gather it’s absolutely a option that is being discussed in diplomatic circles. The main reason it’s not on the table is the huge amount of debts the USA has in China. And the EU will use it as a backup arrow for “further escalation”. Maybe someone should tell Trump who actually delivers the machines for the factories he wants to “bring back”. Hint: It’s not the US.
Yes,you understand how sanctions work.
A person living in a sanctioned country can also no longer buy certain things, travel to certain countries or use certain services. You couldn’t buy a Boeing Plane during WW2 in Germany as well…
And considering that Russia is waging a fucking genocidal war and a hybrid war in Europe and a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time (when they still could have changed course) it’s god damn right these sanctions exist.
BTW: Cuba is being sanctioned by the US for simply nationalising US held companies (Fidel Castro wasn’t that much of a communist in the beginning) since 1960 and basically none gave or gives a rats ass.
a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time
Most Russians are afraid to talk about politics at all. Their responses when questioned are either “I agree with what the government is doing” or “I don’t talk politics.”
We should be strengthening our ties with these oppressed people in order to help them, and help Ukraine as a result. Instead we’re doing the “average intelligence” play of furthering their oppression while funneling money to the MIC.
This war has been a great example of how many useful idiots are around us.
yes, that is the purpose of sanction. to target the lowest rung of society for supporting and promoting the invasion of Ukraine.
It is bullshit, you’re right.
So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.
that’s practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.
of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.
but we’re on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!
Sanctions are bullshit economic violence. This is a great example.
Probably better this economic violence than I dunno, the physical violence Russia has exerted on the Ukrainian populace?
Not sure why you’re arguing “better” when we have both.
I don’t think we’re currently doing both of those things to Russia.
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they were blocked for supporting russia invasion of Ukraine.
Source?
I mean the owners of this “Estonian” company are Russian and Belarussian (company ownership is public record here in Estonia and foreigners can easily start companies), so I wouldn’t be surprised, but I also hate how easily unsubstantiated claims spread on the Internet.
What is really needed is a fediverse for git repos
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370
Looks like a contributor was in a sanctioned region?
Insane that Github blocked their entire development without discussing it with them though. Ban the contributor, not the entire open source project.
Sounds like an easy way to do unproportional damage to projects with a bit of location spoofing.
I was very surprised to learn that .NET has an entire team in North Korea
And all of them sharing a single 26k connection, too
I heard they got upgraded to DSL
Looks like a contributor was in a sanctioned region?
Not according to that thread - it looks like they don’t yet know what caused it:
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114178916120483761
No any details from GitHub yet. One contributor mentioned a temporary visit to disputed areas a long time ago — GitHub probably just flagged the account, and their bots messed up after that.
GAFAM is all one hydra.
sanctioned region
What’s that?
A country the USA doesn’t like
Seems so arbitrary that they just block the entire project instead of the user in the sanctioned region.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Probably for the best, GitHub seems like a liability (to a lamen like me, anyway)
We need something like Forgejo, but decentralized and federated, like Lemmy. I don’t want to create a new account for every Forgejo instance, just to be able to report a bug…
Edit: Added “and federated”
Federation is on their roadmap
You know, git initially was that kind of thing where people would send diff commits on mailing lists. Git is perfectly decentralized already. And there’s no need for federation.
Forgejo is already decentralized too. You could host your own instance right now, if you’d want.
if you are looking for decentralised vcs you can try radicle, I tried a while ago pretty good. FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
That’s interesting. Did not even know, Mastodon supported doing something like this…
There is still a difference: There is no profile in the end. I might create 2 bug reports, bit they won’t be linked to each other.
Have you heard of … Git?
:-)
Edit: I was jesting, got interesting responses!
There is no command
git issue create [hostname] [title] [description]and if there was such a command, it’d require authentication on the specific instance to prevent spam.You still need to create an account on each Forgejo instance to report a bug there…
And even, if you commit code or make a pull request… Git might be decentralized (you can develop with your friend independently from each other and merge it), but try to commit code to a GitHub project, GitLab instance or Forgejo instance without having an account there to authenticate yourself… It won’t work.
You mean git inherently requires you to identify yourself?
Huh, shock
git identification has nothing to do with authentication, as any sane person with git experience knows
I’m not sure what you are trying to say.
My point was from the beginning that I don’t want to create 2 accounts when I report a bug a bug on Forgejo instance 1 and on instance 2.
The suggestion whether I have heard about git does not solve anything about that…
Some one else here mentioned that it’s possible to login with Mastodon on each of the instance, which is the correct direction (allows to report a bug on both instances via an external account). Disadvantage is still: My 2 bug reports are not linked to each other, because there is no shared Forgejo profile, which would actually require something like federation.
Rather have it on IPFS or something like OrbitDB, so no one can just lock/delete stuff.
Forgejo is in fact working on being decentralized, just like the underlying git structure is. There are some first federation things in there, but the full implementation is still pretty far out.
Git is decentralized itself… You don’t even need forgejo to host your changes
Git is already decentralized, nothing is stopping you from adding multiple remotes to your repo.
The issue tracker is usually the concern
How would decentralization work for an issue tracker? The issues have to be stored somewhere.
naturally on the instance that hosts the repo
The issues should be central, but it would be nice for my reputation as a contributor to migrate between instances.
Yeah, that was my point in the first comment… But not only that…
The development with multiple people is decentralized, yes…
But even, if I add 3 remotes to my repo (1 to GitHub, 1 to Forgejo instance A and 1 to Forgejo instance B), guess what happens, if you don’t have an account on each of these… Try pushing code or making a pull request and see how it fails, because you are not authenticated…
SourceHut encourages an e-mail–based workflow that does not require anyone but the repository owner to have an account. In fact, that’s how Git originally worked before GitHub enshittified it.
There is this, havent tried
Gitea has basic federation, I believe
Gitea is where Forgejo forked from.
Wouldn’t it be the other way around, having someone centralized so with one account you can report bugs in any public project?
Do you know how lemmy works?
I do, what I don’t know is how Forgejo works. Doesn’t having to make an account for every project mean it’s already decentraliced, but just doesn’t communicate between instances?
I agree that it’s already kind of decentralized, so I also added the word “federated” to my original post.
Okay, that makes it way more clear ;b
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I think that’s bad (for my personal use) because if I accidentally commit a secret key, how do I claw it back? Basically, how would I claw anything back if it’s on a blockchain aka on thousands/millions of computers already (you can’t).
If you push a secret key you should definitely generate a new one. Way to many bots out there that scan new commits for exactly that reason
Yeah please just rotate the secret if that happens. Doesn’t matter what platform it is, this is true of GitHub as well. Secrets that are accidentally published are no longer secret.
Yeah it’s not an insurmountable problem but it has happened to me where I push some commits and I realize “oh lemme remove this code because it leaks a little info about me personally” etc
Obviously you go and change the key instead?
that’s already a concern. what if someone just cloned your repo? there’s also plenty of people that mirror public repos to their personal forgejo server. forgejo makes it very easy.
the only solution to mitigate such a mistake is to
1) invalidate the token
2) remove the commitIn that order.
You are correct in principle, but Lemmy isn’t on a blockchain. It’s much less permanent.
I did not mean decentralized hosting of the projects (e.g. your project will be on all instances).
I meant decentralized account usage (e.g. you can use your example.com forgejo account to create an issue on otherexample.org)… Just like Lemmy… I could use my reddthat.com lemmy account to create a post on your instance lemmy.world without having to register there.
You can make commits on your system without pushing them to the remote server, and that’s the default behavior.
Nice!
I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it’s remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github’s “actions” code.
Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.
Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.
And I like that it doesn’t try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.
GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it’s just so bloated
The releases page is just as easy to find!
I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn’t
Oh…I was interested until you said actions. What a terrible system for ci.
What’s wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?
I think they’re quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.
Every other ci in existence you just write a command. Then if it doesn’t work you run the command on your machine and fix it.
Actions are “magic” which means you have to fake the ci runner with tools and reverse engineer the action to run local debugging and if it failed you might not even fully know what was running with digging into the actions source.
GitHub provides you the tools and their “easy” until they aren’t.
It’s very Microsoft though. It feels like trying to write a Windows app and trying to get your random Net environment definition to line everything up and compile in VS then hoping the same thing happens when you deploy.
You can just write bash scripts in your actions if you want them to be easily replicatable on your local machine, so you don’t really lose anything with that system.
I prefer Gitlab CICD but there are many. Actions had a lot of potential. Then Microsoft bought GitHub and just slapped the Actions label on their CI. If you pull off the mask, it is just Azure devops.
I do too. I kinda miss Jenkins but a lot of the conveniences in GitLab’s CI are really nice and it’s better for 99% of use cases.
Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it’s quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it’s basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH’s Actions).
As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.
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One mildly annoying quirk of Forgejo is that as of current, the token generated for each Actions run is not quite the same as GitHub’s token. For my specific use case, if you want to upload a Docker Image to the package repository, you can not use the standard auto-generated token, which GitHub does allow you to use. Forgejo instead currently requires you generate your own app token and use that instead, as the auto-generated one lacks permissions over packages. (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/3571)
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Depending on your infrastructure, it might just be impossible to make the various Docker-related actions (such as https://code.forgejo.org/docker/build-push-action) work. As an example, my infrastructure outlined below is one such case where those actions simply do not work.
Bare Metal (Debian 12) / ├─ Rootless Podman/ ├─ Forgejo ├─ Forgejo Runner ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/ ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here> * If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.- that’s really too bad, I hope that gets resolved soon
- that’s a pretty old version of podman (4.3 looks like?); also, why have nested podman? My infra is something like this:
Bare Metal ├─ Rootless Podman ├─ Forgejo ├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely) ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I’m still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).
I haven’t gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I’ll give it a shot soon, since it’s better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.
I agree that it is quite possibly related to the version of Podman moreso than an inherent issue. I am currently satisfied, however, and have no desire to fiddle with it any more… Or at least until Debian 13 gets released.
My use of PinP is almost entirely for cleanliness. It allows me to more easily wipe the build environment (clear out space, troubleshooting). It also mildly improves security as the ‘untrusted’ actions containers run on a separate environment from the important Forgejo container.
The workaround I use for the premade Docker actions not functioning is to simply install Podman as one of the build steps and use that instead, lol. (Some configuration required, but that’s the gist.)
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can someone make a quick intro to what happends for microsoft to block organicmaps account ?
Going by their Mastodon account, seems they were erroneously detected as “from a US-sanctioned region” and it took too long for said error to be resolved, so they just made the switch.
Given now that the US has a russian president, maybe the US should sanction itself lol
“US sanctioned region” is russia. The developer team fully consist of russian citizens, some of them are still in russia.
The developer team fully consist of russian citizens
I dont think thats correct. Do you have a source? The predecessor that it was forked from
maps.memaybe, but the current dev team has nothing to do with that project anymore.I was wrong, not entirely, but 6-7 out of 10. Had to doublecheck. https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/people
And there’s a wiki page on maps.me(founders are the same, they just sold it and forked a few years later to create organicmaps) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maps.me
The only person on this list that lives in Russia is Alexey Naumenko. So what are you yappin about? So far i also cant see that name on the new member list https://git.omaps.dev/org/organicmaps/members
mapsme: founded by Yury Melnichek, later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako
organicmaps: founded by Roman Tsisyk (completely unrelated to mapsme) and later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako
So the founders are not the same, but some devs from the old project joined organic maps.
Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.
Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.
yappin
Just adding context, because thir wording makes everyone think like “out of the blue, by some stupid coincidence one of the developers possibly seemed to be somewhere around some misteruous sanctioned region”
Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.
I didnt…
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Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.
Then where are you getting 6-7 from? Those people could be Polish or Ukrainian or born somewhere completely different. They could have moved, changed citizenship, whatever. I dont know. You dont know.
Why aren’t russian people allowed to upload code. Why does the US get to dictate everything
Microsoft is a US based company. They cannot legally make business with sanctioned entities. And since it’s not profitable for them - they just made a geoblock geoblock
Could MS ignore the sanctions in that case? probably
Aren’t they now based in Estonia since when the company was established?
They can be de jure in Estonia and de facto wherever they want.
E.g OnlyOffice claim to be based in baltics too, but the development office is still in Nizhniy Novgorod(russia).
Shit. I live in Denmark. How do you download a whole github repository, commits, issues and all?
You can make git clone and get all the code and commits. Issues are a GitHub feature and they cannot be downloaded by a simple git command
You can import it on an alternative like gitlab. The process of moving something from github to gitlab is just as smooth as if everything was contained in the repo itself.
Personally, recommend forgejo, gitlab has a lot of features I didn’t need and I found the upgrade process if you didn’t keep on top of it annoying. Forgejo actions are pretty similar to github ones and setting up runners is super straightforward.
Good question. Commits are easy - they are part of git core functionalities so are included in every copy of the repository (for example developers’ local copies) but github specific contents like comments, issues, PRs…?
This should also be part of git repo (but maybe not downloaded through typical git clone as it might be too large though). Has developers of git ever considered doing this?
The original developer of Git is Linus Torvalds and he wrote it for the use of developing Linux. He handed off the project to Junio Hamano after a short while who still leads it. They use a process where you submit patches by mail, for Linux and for Git itself too.
To make this easier they have the commands
git format-patch,git send-emailandgit applymboxlater changed togit amto apply them. They also addedgit request-pullto generate a short plaintext email like message to request a pull.The Pull Request as a bigger concept of data and discussion that should be kept around came from GitHub and was put over top of Git. The concept has been rebuilt by various competitors separately. But it doesn’t match the Linux and Git development model so they never used GitHub Pull Request, even though there is a GitHub mirror of Linux and a GitHub mirror of Git. For them the discussions happens in the mailing list.
So it’s very unlikely they would start including the stuff that was added by others over top, that they don’t need.
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No, it they didn’t change anything add new git remote to the new address
you can set up a repo mirror with forgejo
Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.
Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?
Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github’s stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it
That’s a gimmick that doesn’t justify the costs of switching from Git (IMO)
If you want decentralized collaboration features in git without using forge software, you can use mailing lists like the Linux kernel does.
By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:
GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.
Yeah but it’s not Microsoft-controlled
Gitlab was created by a Ukrainian, and Microsoft is blocking Organic maps Russian developer due to sanctions due to war on ukraine, which is why what you’re suggesting is pretty cursed
Ok then use CodeBerg or SourceHut. Just anything that’s not GitHub
So wait.
GitHub is Microsoft?
EDIT: Okay, fuck that. I was just getting all set up there but not now.
I am trying to decide between PyCharm and VS Code for my Python IDE. I was leaning toward VS Code, but they’re Microsoft too, aren’t they?
Oh come on, it was a really big deal. M$ bought GitHub. FOSS collectively shit itself for a week
Github was bought in 2018. For all we know, OP could have been 10 at the time
OP said they were 63 and only now getting into programming. I can understand not knowing these things tbh.
It was also ages ago. Any discussion of it will have long since died down so if OP is new to programming then they won’t have come across this.
Continue.
Has been since 2018, and acquisition news caused quite an upset at the time.
Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft. And Rust since heavy ties to Amazon. Don’t look for a job on Linkedin (where most listings are posted) because that’s also Microsoft. Actually, just to spare you the time, avoid programming altogether and do something like farming, since no Big Tech influence there. /s
I’m retired and doing hobby projects in Python and java, so I get choices (including not playing) but wtf, big tech figured out how to take over open source?
That’s particularly evil.
They can support these languages because they have the resources to do so.
I feel like a good illustration would be a bicycle.
- My bicycle works fine, a little slow, but it beats walking, and requires little to no outside resources or upkeep.
- My neighbor, Joe Microsoft, slaps an 80cc motor on my bike. It’s a lot faster, and less work for me, and Joe keeps it full of gas and tuned up, and fixes it when it breaks.
- I need Joe now to support my biking. I no longer have the resources to do it at this level, but Joe does.
Is that about right? Are we selling open source for speed and convenience?
Python’s creator and BDfL works at Microsoft.
I’m not trying to be like some HOLY MOUNTAIN that no unclean things can ever touch.
I’m just trying to keep myself free. I’ll use people’s stuff. If that starts becoming bondage, I’m out
A cynical explanation would be using the EEE theory to explain all of this.
A more nuanced one would be that corporations benefit from open source since it creates an easier pipeline to onboard engineers and they also benefit from the free labor that people put into the projects out of passion. Whether they want to kill OSS after embracing it is debatable, but they definitely want to have as much leverage on it as possible.
Bill Gates stated: “One thing we have got to change in our strategy – allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other people’s browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depend on proprietary IE capabilities. Anything else is suicide for our platform. This is a case where Office has to avoid doing something to destroy Windows.”
That Wikipedia is a gold mine of evil.
Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft.
This, but unironically.
I do like the work Microsoft has done with typescript itself, but more and more I’m seeing they are trying to tie up the language to VSCode, treating other editors as “second class citizens” for it and that has started to make me reconsider things.
Yeah they bought them almost 10 years now?
VS Code has a fully open source base which excludes proprietary extensions and default telemetry ( kind of how AOSP is for Android)
Check here for more info:
https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/wiki/Differences-between-the-repository-and-Visual-Studio-Code
And VSCodium is the project that releases builds from the VS Code source code. Privacy-conscious developers should use VSCodium (which is fully FOSS) instead of Visual Studio Code (which is partially proprietary and includes tracking).
100%
I use this on my private setup, but struggling to get tge Python language server to properly work. Apprently the VS Code one is unavailable. What do people use for this on VS Codium?
kind of how AOSP is for Android)
https://9to5google.com/2025/03/28/google-android-aosp-changes-announcement/
I know 😢
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I recommend Codeberg or Forgejo!
Might check out Zed. Relatively new editor from the folks behind Atom and treesitter. Extremely fast with an excellent interface and vim mode. The second best vim mode behind Neovim.
I’ve been testing Zed for the last couple weeks for some Vue / Nuxt projects. It works great for that and seems very stable so far, but is also developed by a for-profit. Curious to see how the Zedless project works out.
I actually think their comments when it first went open source are pretty compelling. I don’t disagree with you and I’m interested to see how zedless fares, but new projects of this scale are tough to do well and quickly. I’m pretty happy with their current approach.
Zed is great! Not as many features as IntelliJ, but insanely fast, and new features are being added all the time.
PyCharm is a solid choice. It just works. But if you’re open to another editor, take a look at Zed. It has python support too. It’s super snappy and way less bloated than the others.
If you like VSCode you can try VSCodium which supports almost all features of VSCode but should be fully FOSS without Microsoft proprietary blobs.
I’m also very new to doing any type of programming, and also don’t remember things from last week lol. I use Kate, it’s from KDE which is from the Linux world but works on windows! They have some other good programs that also work on windows (and Mac too I think!) if you’re trying to extract yourself from there. I don’t know python very well so don’t know if Kate is the best choice compared to PyCharm for your use case, but might be a good allrounder.
Can I suggest vim or emacs?
I can forgive not knowing github is MS.
but, how in the actual fuck did you not know VS Code is MS?
do you just close your eyes and code blind all day long?
Maybe they are just getting started with learning programming, be kind.
Ding ding ding ding ding!
Like, just BRAND NEW, leaning baby programmer!
Nope, not that. Haven’t earned the name ‘programmer’ at all.
Just a guy who is starting to learn and is probably going to abandon learning but is going to try anyway and is trying not to fuck up in the beginning! Guy.
Plus I’m 63. So learning anything at all is like nailing boards to sand.
Maybe I learned it, but that was last week. Can’t expect me to remember last week shit.
Keep learning and asking questions! Maybe programming isn’t something for you or maybe it’ll be a big part of your life. You’ll never know without giving it a try.
Please don’t get discouraged by the curmudgeons. Not all of us experienced in the field have given into grouchiness.
If you want to use VSCode without the Microsoft bits, they actually provide that officially. VSCodium is VSCode with all the Microsoft-specific bits stripped out (or rather, not added in in the first place, at compile time). It’s all open source too so you can either verify yourself or have a knowledgeable friend do an audit on your behalf.
I use VSCode at work a lot and enjoy it quite a bit. A good alternative would be to use Kate/Kwrite with all of the coding plugins and the linter plugins turned on, the experience is pretty close to VSCode/ium without store extensions.
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Who could have ever anticipated Git hub going to shoot after Microsoft bought it
you can say shit on here. also fuck and cock and ass. it’s the internet
Could you like, stop policing other peoples speech? I am sure they know they can say shit on the internet, they just choose not to.
Some people just like swearing, it seems. Like it makes them feel like an adult or something, I dunno. Duck it.
how about you police my policing, and then i will police my whole ass
BANG BANG BANG ASS POLICE OPEN UP
FUCK
AssCopsAreBastards
you can’t just let them do whatever they want
don’t worry more ai slop in github will fix it
Microsoft products definitely gets worse over time lol
ai driven anti-spam is destroying the internet and deleting legitimate businesses every day. there is usually no customer support, and there are no humans in charge. there is nothing you can do.
Plausibly deniable attacks on political opposition.
Ah, the threatened oligarchy is at it again. I’m sure its purely a coincidence and not at all a retaliation for people abandoning big tech en masse.
As long as they are still publishing the apk to f-droid, as a user I hardly care where it’s hosted.
This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can’t use Github, not because “microsoft bad” (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated to block them.
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
Honestly after this post I will avoid Organic maps. More like genocide-complicit maps amirite.
Moving off of GitHub is still good, even if you believe their reasoning behind their reasons is incorrect.
The US supplied 80% of the bombs dropped on Gaza.
Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
As a US citizen. YES. FFS, the point of sanctions is to compel a change or deter an action. Americans might pay way more attention when the rest of the world puts us in timeout because of the terrible leadership.
Research has shown it has historically had very little to no impact on policy. What it does do is harm the lowest rungs of society.
For example a 2019 report on Trump’s Venezeuala sanctions estimate up to 40,000 people died. Mostly poor people who went without healthcare and medicine because the US froze all of the government’s funds and access to credit.
In my opinion, I’d prefer if we just bombed civilians in the countries we sanction. It’s more honest. It really is a form of low level warfare. Something akin to a medieval raiding party
It is the lowest rung that supports the russia invasion in ukraine. it is not a war crime to use sanction, people don’t die due to sanction they die from failure of their government.
no countries and their friends should be forced to trade with any country they don’t like. every country have the right to sanction or boycott countries they don’t like. Just like I have the right not to buy McDonald’s or not use reddit. Their employees die because I don’t “trade” with them is not my responsibility. This is more honest.
Attacks against civilian targets are war crimes. When you do it through sanctions its OK.
I’m just asking that we are more honest about it. For example instead of putting sanctions on Venezuela we could have just done what Israel is doing to Gaza and gotten similar death toll.
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Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
Yes…? Why haven’t other countries sanctioned the US for Gaza genocide? But that’s also not the point at hand.
How the fuck is banning people in certain countries for something they don’t have control over from contributing to small projects like this doing anything but shooting the FOSS ecosystem, which already has a severe shortage of developers, in the foot?
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whataboutism isn’t some magical phrase that you can utter every time someone brings up hypocrisy
if we’re going to support sanctioning civilians based on their countries breaking international law, then we should not have double standards. otherwise it’s very clear to anyone paying attention that this is a geopolitical issue and not a moral one.
and that’s what this is actually about. the US sanctions on Russia are a geopolitical tool meant to make the Russian re-subjugation of Ukraine more expensive. that’s it. US doesn’t actually care about Ukraine- neither this administration or the last.
to me, that doesn’t justify banning individuals from participating in OSS projects. anybody that wants to contribute should be able to.
They’re too big to fail. At least, they were, but they’re scaling back these days, so they may be sanctioned sooner or later.
I mean, it’s probably in their best interest to avoid us. We are a terrible country.
I don’t think I want my government deciding who can contribute to my open source project.
When Trump gets into a dick measuring contest with a US ally and sanctions them, POOF foreign contributors are gone. Community management, codebase familiarity, and open PRs be damned. It’ll kill open source projects.
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
I… don’t follow. How does this make the Microsoft, Github, and USA look good? The policy here is absolutely stupid.
Me too. I presume half of the votes on this comment are upvotes because they only read the first half of it.
Can you please explain how you come to such a conclusion of your second half, OP? Like you saw, we really don’t follow.
Remember kids, racism and bigotry are always okay if it’s against the right people.
I have nothing against Russian developers. But I do think they should be completely isolated and blocked from the outside world. That’s the whole point of sanctions.
By your logic developers in the US shouldn’t be allowed to contribute to free software either, after all the US is committing genocides and threatening to invade other countries
Well, yeah. That’s literally the point of sanctions.
The point is to protect national interests, not reject free contributions from normal people for non-security critical but useful software projects which is just idiotic
yes, we are free to block US developers.
If some country will sanction US that is hosting FOSS, absolutely. That’s not mutually exclusive with this.
You’re causing more harm than good.
no.
You’ll understand when you’re older.
That makes sense when it harms business being done in that country, people’s opportunity to find jobs and stuff like that.
But blocking people from working for free on open source projects where there’s nothing to be gained is harming progress, not individuals or countries. That’s not what sanctions were made for.
If we would have taken the same line on say biology or mathematics we and the Russian people both would have been worse off.
Are you aware of how much open source work comes from Russians? Russians != Russian govt.
Russian bots down voting you.
This is how sanctions work. Don’t like it? Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
How about we get the american government to stop supplying Israel with bombs they drop on Gaza? Oh, I guess that’s too much effort.
Not a Russian bot. Down voted it because GitHub is still a poor choice to host open source on nowadays. It’s like someone saying “It’s stupid that such and such switched to renewable energy instead of fossil fuels because they believe the world is flat. The world is not flat!” It’s really missing the forest for the trees.
Proceeds to use open source tooling with numerous contributions from US-based software developers
Upvoting for the concise summary of what the article is about (thanks!); not for the opinion expressed (which appears to conflate Russian developers with the actions of the Russian government – something I find problematic at best).
Nothing personal against russian FOSS developers. They should be blocked (sanctioned) from contributing until the sanctions are stopped.
This is great. Now I can submit issues easier and look into contribution. Storing projects on Github is awful. The signup process is a mess.
There is some serious crapitalist hate for organic maps. I never heard of it util is was taken off the play store for a bit. I side loaded it that day.
Well, now I know what will be my daily driver. Thanks!
Anything to reduce the advertising revenue of these jackasses
Organic Maps is not at feature parity with paid options but it is pretty damn good for FOSS. I use it almost daily for driving around city/suburban Australia and it very rarely gives me bad directions - certainly no more than the paid option i previously used (Sygic).
Its also a really great base project to build on top of. The routing system is a plug in library which can be easily replaced. That means if someone wants to build something that collects and utilizes live data for traffic/construction avoidance they can totally do that. Adding new map layers is also a big one that they made sure is going to be easy to do.
Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet? This is one of the main reasons I use Magic Earth still. I regularly bounce between that, Organic, and OsmAnd. They all have slightly different features.
Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet?
The organic team doesnt wanna deal with collecting user data so they wont do it. Getting live location data from millions of people basically requires using and feeding into google services and thats a no go.
Ofcourse someone else could do it, but thats just a waste of time, if google can cut you off from their API at any point.
Even if you start your own project, no matter what you do, there will always have to be some company that collects all the data. That company no matter how cool and FOSS will eventually be forced to cooperate with law enforcement and then you are back to what we have now with google.
Location data is just too sensitive and impossible to anonymize properly.
But isn’t there a possibility to fetch data from official websites (like https://stau.info/ in Germany) around your place? It won’t be as good as google, but better than nothing.
As long as it only pulls data and doesnt share any its not as bad. But each of these local services most likely use different APIs and formats, so implementing it wont be so easy. For just large highways its realistic imo, but if you want data for inside cities it becomes impossible.
If the database of traffic info become so large that it’s impossible to download it all at once it means you have to selectively download data for your location/route which makes it possible to infer user location again.
It works well, and I’m a huge fan and contributor to Open Street Maps (which it’s bassed on). But it doesn’t do traffic, which is unfortunately wha I need from my navigation apps 99% of the time.
If they had a paid option to cover the costs of using TomTom’s traffic API, I’d make the switch.
But it is one of the best when it comes to cycling or walking. I’ve been using it for years now.
Why would it get removed? Can’t have any competition for Google Maps or what? Well, it won’t get removed on F-droid
