Patrick Breyer, a staunch defender of digital rights, laments the Pirate Party’s exit from the EU Parliament as a blow to online privacy.

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    I have voted PP since their conception, and I think we have them to thank for a lot. Will continue to do so, probably forever. I don’t understand how these issues don’t get more attention these days. Tech related privacy, anti monopoly, ai safety etc is just a part but they have excellent values in other areas as well.

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      I don’t understand how these issues don’t get more attention these days

      Who owns the media?

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          No, it’s not the Rothschilds or the Jews… keep looking for what it might be!

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              Rothschilds are diamonds and other crap,

              It’s the Australian Rupert Murdoch

              Although him and a Lord Rothschild have been involved in some fuckery with oil in Israel

              I think the correct answer is some billionaire

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                Yeah it could be the billionaire family that runs everything. Maybe it’s them.

                Or it could be something else like aliens I guess?

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                  No mate, there isn’t one billionaire family that runs everything. That’s way too simple. The problem is much larger. The question you have missed is what is above the Rothschilds?

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      I always expected us to never address our ecological destruction or climate change in any meaningful way, and instead devolve into some techno-feudalist, fascist dystopia before the civilisation collapses into a death spiral… But man… I’ve never wanted to be wrong more in my entire life.

      Watching the EU regress in unison, back down the auth path, is not how I expected it would go down.

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        Kinda alarmist tone.

        I always expected for the irrational opinion of people in many Western countries that they can get anything by voting for it to meet the hard cold reality, but it never was anything like “end of the world”.

        I’m hopeful. A certain kind of evil people have felt their power and are slowly becoming complacent, which means that the European societies will get a shot at getting rid of them, for the time being. And then there will be a dawn after this sunset.

        Though that “allowing the snake to raise its head” thing should be done carefully, so that you’d still be alive when the opportunity to crush that head arises.

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    I was thinking the whole week if I should vote the greens or the pirates but due to the recurring campaigns to establish a surveillance state I did end up voting pirates. Incredibly disheartened they didn’t get a seat :(

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    I managed to convince my brother and a friend of mine to vote for them. This is really disappointing. Over half the votes in Germany were for right-wing parties this time, over 16% were for the right-wing-extremist party AFD. Germany really wants history to repeat itself ig.

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    There are more parties who defend internet privacy then just the pirate party. Won’t matter much tho with the current rightwing majority.

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      They have been very active fighting the chat control proposals that keep coming, haven’t really seen others being so active about it besides them. This is really bad.

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      Is the incoming majority particularly anti-piracy? I thought they were more fixated on leaving the EU, gutting the “woke” public sector, and rounding up all the immigrants for deportation.

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        Just to make things clear, the pirate party isn’t directly related to piracy. There are ongoing efforts to render end-to-end encryption illegal in Europe as we speak. Dark times are coming

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          There are ongoing efforts to render end-to-end encryption illegal in Europe as we speak.

          I can’t imagine how you stop all end to end encryption across a continent while you’re exiting the continent-wide governing body.

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              They whom? Is every country going to have it’s own national firewall, complete with highly sophisticated SMS-only encryption detecting service?

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                The EU plans to do so and as such every member must follow it.

                And once encryption is criminalized, it can be trivially detected - or at least assumed to be encrypted if your message is sufficiently random.

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        Technically… maybe. Here’s a calculator, EPP+ECR+ID+a chunk of the non-attached and non-assigned might make it over the 50% mark, and then there’s renew which has neoliberals in it.

        But that’s not coalition material as the EPP is not eurosceptic, also, that coalition would reach so far right that a good chunk of the EPP would definitely not be on board with it. The populists might also be opposed on reasons of preferring stoking anti-Brussels sentiment over surveillance, and there’s plenty of opportunity for rifts, like the RN saying “The AfD is in favour so we’re opposed”.

        Do note than in the EP factions have fuck all when it comes to faction discipline. There’s no whip, all there is is plenty of negotiating.

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    Quick reminder that in a liberal democracy, social movements are more important for progressive change than electoralism.

    Join a union. Be it trade union, housing union, or whatever (or even any affinity group). And get active.

    Complaining about election results achieves nothing, but sow despair.

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      Also: voting is important because it lets you choose your enemy. Progressive liberals and social democrats won’t fight against you as hard as conservatives and fascists.

      Putting this here because some people might read this and think “Voting doesn’t matter.”

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        Voting doesn’t really matter, though.

        Edit, clarification: at least compared to bottom-up social movements.

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          It absolutely does though. You can’t elect worker ownership of the means of production but you sure can elect anything from fascists to social democrats. I for one don’t want fascists to control my government

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            If progressive policies were ever put into place by an elected body, it was always merely a by-product of already established social consensus formed by bottom-up politics.

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              I fully agree. But people get better things. Not voting means they don’t. Not voting means the people who want worse things get what they want

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                With electoralism, people get complacent with watered down reforms and become politically alienated.

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          If it doesn’t matter, why are so many people afraid when the right wing parties take control? If it’s not important why are people so concerned about the supreme Court? Why are women so scared of anti abortion legislation? You vote the legislative and they can simply take the power away from your social movements. So in the end, it does matter.

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            Voting should not be the main strategy to fight for liberty and progressive change, since the cards in electoralism are way too stacked in favour of the already powerful minority. That’s what I meant with “voting is not important”.

            When Trump lost the last election, MAGA-heads were ready to take up arms against what they considered an injustice. Why aren’t progressives ready to do so? How does the “vote blue no matter who” crowd prepare against another Jan 6th situation?

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      “Progressive” change will only take you further away from liberal democracy and free society.

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        I’d argue that a progressive country like Denmark with its universal healthcare and universally available college-level education is substantially more free than a freedom-touting country like the United States that limits access to these basics to those with substantial resources.

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        surpassing liberal democracy is a good thing. I disagree with the free society bit. What definition of “free society” are you referring to?

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    I had somewhat hoped that my fellow countrymen in Germany would not fall for the obtuse populism of the right, but that is exactly what has happened.

    I’m afraid there’s nothing left to counter this, because voters obviously no longer care about rational arguments and don’t even want to acknowledge the real problems of our time. They make it easy for themselves and just blame everything on illegal migration or whatever - just as the right-wingers tell them to do.

    In this reality characterized by stupidity and false attributions of blame, it is hardly surprising that important but somewhat abstract topics such as data protection are no longer of interest to the masses. It’s enough to make you cry.

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        The saddest thing about this is that the Europeans and especially the Germans should really know better. But no, all the lessons from our dark history seem to have been forgotten - or they are simply ignored so that one can once again live in the comfortable world of simple explanations where there is always some minority to blame.