Cool, cool cool cool. Nothing dystopian about that at all.

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    Don’t just be mad at palantir.

    The American government funded palantir.

    Palantir couldn’t exist without the helping hand of the American government.

    The time to give a fuck was long before Snowden made his leaks.

    All the dystopian stuff people fear the government will do is already being done by a framework of companies funded by our government.

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    It was forensics. They used forensics. Ai did not help, probably got a bit in the way even. You can do these things with data. We told you several times

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      This was pretty evident the second they named their company over the tool used by The Dark Lord Sauron and Saruman to spy on the actions of others from Lord of the Rings.

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    Yup, data archival. Now imagine this future: right now, encrypted data transfers may be wire-tapped and stored. When quantum computers are available, all that traffic will be decryptable. This includes pretty much all general HTTPS traffic since TLS mostly uses ECDHE for key exchange which isn’t quantum secure.
    I bet nation state actors are recording everything they can.

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      Damn, dude… that’s insane and I’m surprised it’s never occurred to me.

      I’ve had the realization before as I realize that maybe my password database will eventually be easily cracked… but there’s no reason it cannot apply to data in transit as well, as long as someone is recording it.

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    You don’t need AI for this, just a ton of money for storage and either tolerance for a slow query (like 15-20 minutes) or an engineer who knows what they’re doing in search.

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    Sure. As far as I can tell Palantir sells the software that police, ICE and the military use to Face ID suspects, including “aliens” and Osama Bin Laden (way back when that happened).

    Once you scan your face data and post it online, you can assume security agencies (Palantir clients) load it into Palantir software to complete your profile. Privacy is dead.

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    Anything ever posted online can be archived and searched later. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to cross reference publicly available sources along with subpoenaed data.

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      I think even Facebook said years ago it’s less taxing on the systems to unlink content rather than delete it.

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        Yeah but that’s basically how deleting works for any normal system. You remove the pointer telling the computer where the data is, then you flag that section of data as free for writing to. It’s not until something writes over the data is it truly gone.

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          That’s not what’s happening here.

          Think of a database where nothing is editable. You can only add additional data. So you can’t delete a post you can only add a deleted = true flag.

          Much easier to keep this kind of database in sync.

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          It’s true except in a filesystem you lose the name and location and it can be overwritten. In this instance it sounded like they just prevent access but keep all that data there, still accessible and readable and wont be overwritten.

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    Yet another reason why you shouldn’t get nazi tattoos… jfc.

    As much as Palantir is an evil organization, the underlying problem is libs constantly supporting fascism.

    As an actual “leftist”, I don’t want nazi military bros as my “representative”.

    Kinda wild how nobody else mentions this.

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      I don’t live in Maine anymore, but his handling of this, and clear stance on other issues important to me, have actually strengthened my willingness to vote for him was I still in the state.

      I actually believe him when he says he got it while drunk on a night off with the marines, supposedly not knowing the meaning at the time. He then went on to say he immediately scheduled to cover it because getting it removed would have taken too much time to figure out because Maine doesn’t have any places that do it. Like he wanted that shit no longer visible on his body asap and went out of his way to get it done sooner than later.

      Similarly with LGBTQ+ rights. Yeah he said some edgy shit on the Internet a long time ago, but he’s said he’s changed and now aggressively supports queer rights in Maine. Idk, maybe he’ll pull a Fetterman, but I don’t get that vibe.

      Even if he is still in the process of fully deconstructing things, he is clearly taking the correct actions in the here and now to further that process.

      I grew up with people like him and almost without fail, when I actually sat down and had real conversations with them as adults, they’ve been positive and minds have been changed in all directions.

      Blue collar Mainers are some of the first people to hate billionaires, and fiercely support small government, personal freedoms and privacy. This honestly means supporting queer rights in so far as they want the freedom to be themselves too. They have been systematically lied to by a party that doesn’t actually want small government or personal liberties, and many of them have realized that.

      We need to be able to welcome these people willing to be educated, and genuinely capable of changing their thinking and their ways. These people are closeted radical leftists. We will need them on board.

      He seems to walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

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    Imagine thinking your privacy is above profit where capitalism rules lmao

    You muricas are too dumb to understand that nothing has more power than money on a profit driven society like yours, like the ones your stupid elite forced upon every country’s throat as they could

    Your “market freedom” is actually money dictatorship, EUA is not a free country

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    People apparently don’t know about the NSA Utah Datacenter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

    Been a thing for over a decade, unimaginable total storage size, and they literally archive everything.

    This place had between 3 and 12 exabytes of storage capacity, in 2013.

    1 exabyte is 1 billion gigabytes.

    How big was your pc/laptop hard drive in 2013?

    Maybe… 250 gigs to 2 teras, something like that?

    This data center could now easily be in the yottabyte range ( millions of exabytes ), maybe even ronnabytes ( billions of exabytes ).

    https://www.rankred.com/largest-data-centers-in-the-world/

    6th largest data center in the world by physical size, and it is the only one on this list explictly designated for ‘national security’.

    The NSA has taps on every single major trunk line going in or out of the US, they coordinate with every major US-based ISP, every major software provider, data center operator.

    They have so much archived data that their actual problem is figuring out how to search through it efficiently… and that is a big thing that Palantir does, that was kinda their whole intitial… thing, as a company.

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      I came here to make this comment less cogently. You have it exactly.

      Now, does it violate US law and multiple Executive Orders to search the database to get dirt on US Citizens and use it against their election campaign? Yes. Yes it does. But this administration thinks laws are for sissies.

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        Opposition research isn’t really illegal, there’s no confirmation that anything from Palantir was actually used, and it’s trivially easy for any layperson to view deleted reddit comments-- to be perfectly honest in this specific case I just don’t think there was anything really untoward

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        And this was always the problem of building the panopticon, everyone justified doing it by saying ‘well, its fine so long as the good guys are in charge’, and ‘we have to stop the terrorists, 9/11 Never Again’.

        This is why the panopticon system is destroyed by Lucius Fox after using it to find the Joker in the Dark Knight.

        The system itself is too dangerous to be allowed to exist in a world of flawed humans, and it will eventually be wielded by those least morally qualified to wield it.

        Fuck, this is also basically analagous to the Lord of the Rings… Frodo is the hero for destroying the One Ring, not wielding it, because it literally corrupts you with its literally evil power.

        God damnit.

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          This “too dangerous to exist” argument is seemingly more true for nuclear technology, but the world recognized the threat and came together to manage it.

          I will grant you that database and ability to search it lends itself easily to popular oppression, but it still requires thinking, breathing humans to do the oppressing.

          Most technology is not dangerous without psychopaths in power, and damn near everything is dangerous with psychopaths in power.

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        I’m still a bit skeptical Palantir would expose this capability over a Senate race which hasn’t even gotten through primaries. I haven’t looked into it that much, but I think it’s far more likely there’s something on the accouny which makes it easy to identify, and someone this dude knows figured it out before he deleted that account.

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      When people were up in arms about China getting data from TikTok, I wondered if they had any idea of what the NSA does.

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        When that was going on, the whole time I was saying that if we ban Tiktok for data security reasons, we should ban Facebook and Instagram for exactly the same reason, and yes, we should ban basically all social media at this point, its all a perfect spying machine, one you get addicted to, beyond hiding in plain sight…

        Of course, that’s extremely unlikely to happen… but it is an actually consistent position.

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          We probably should. But the reason for the ban is because they don’t want foreign governments swaying the american public; only the US government is allowed to do that.

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          The sale to a right wing Trumpbuddy proves what I have been saying. The position of the US government is quite consistent: “WE get all of your data.”