Wrong OS, that’s Windows.
Since Pipewire came around that means. Before… well… let’s not talk about the collective Pulseaudio trauma.
Oh god, I had such weird issues with audio on my manjaro desktop with pulseaudio … Never touched anything related to sound on that system again, out of fear everything would break down again. I didn’t switch to pipewire until years later.
Well, I have this weird issue when playing Fallout 76 through Steam on Ubuntu 24.04.
If I use my Bluetooth headphones to play, journalctl shows periodic streams of pipewire errors (not near my laptop or I would paste the errors), and after one or two hours audio will become silent. I can recover stopping the game, reconnecting the headphones, and starting the game.
It seems like a problem with the game, as other games, including the other Fallouts, work flawlessly. Still shouldn’t overwhelm pipewire IMO.
TBH the last audio quirk I had on Linux was two years ago, it wouldn’t remember the volume of my headphones, and it was solved on its own after an update.
if i use my bt headphones on winfows, it works only as hands-free, which has lower quality. even then it will fall behind, after 10 mins of listening there will be like a 10 sec delay. until it soon fails completely. will not connect at all on android. works without issues on all my linux machines.
Could be some program using your microphone. A lot of headsets will go into hands-free mode when you do that.
When was that change? I feel like I had pulse audio issues years ago, but lately sound has mostly worked well. The only thing I was unable to do in Pop OS was switch between two different pairs of headphones.
Pulseaudio. For a long time my Sony headphones had no working mic. Then one magical update, I had full HSP as well as A2DP sink. It was amazing - I could take teams calls without having to change headsets!
Then one not-so magical update, poof it just went. I tried to scour the bug list in pulseaudio to find anyone who had experienced the same but found the bugtracker impossible to navigate without a login account.
So now I wait, and update, and pray for an update that restores this feature.
The answer is PipeWire. It’s a drop-in replacement for PulseAudio that works.
I think that’s just branding. I use the pipewire / wireplumber stack for a while and have not noticed any big gains over vanilla pulse
FYI, Pulse and Pipewire are two different audio servers, not just branding.
Pipewire should be more like JACK, but easier to use like PulseAudio. That was the whole point of it.
I know, but Pipewire gets a lot of hype and I’m not sure how much of it is deserved.
I also don’t know where the “easier” part comes into play for the end-user.
pavucontrolandpactlreveals as much to me under pipe as it did under pulse. I’m sure the I/O in the background is a lot cleaner, but I’ve not noticed anything in the foreground.Those tools were made for pulseaudio, not pipewire, so it makes sense they worm the same. Don’t they have pipewire-specific versions of these tools?
I’m not sure. I’m using the pipewire-pulse module on top of pipe, which provides the “drop-in replacement” of pulse, so it all seems to work with the old tools.
You make me wonder now whether I should drop pipewire-pulse and see if I still have accessible sound
Just use a decently recent distro or update to pipewire (and recent kernel). Pulseaudio is basically not where the good things are done anymore. It’s been more than a year or 2 already that the sony phones have microphone working properly.
It is a hard moving bunch of pieces that needed to be in place. The user libraries (pulseaudio or pipewire) the bluez stack and the kernel. For a while things were almost working on the first parts but there were problems on the kernel side then the kernel received patches and it finally was able to support the good audio codec.
(I hate saying this, but) I’m on arch, and using pretty up-to-date versions of pulse and wireplumber, but no dice. I’ve tried the LTS kernel, still no dice. I think it’s a regression that has somehow largely gone unnoticed, because I cannot find any bug reports about it, despite the headphones being quite popular
I lose sound so much more in Windows. I love it when it thinks an HDMI monitor is the main sound even though I never selected it and have to change it back a few times a year. (work computer)
Anecdotally, I’ve had way more audio issues in Windows than I’ve had in Linux.
Linux audio setups don’t always work out-of-the-box, and sometimes require a bit more configuration, but once you get them set up the way you like, they stay that way.
Windows audio configuration is flaky as hell. It’s constantly changing with updates, and I’ve had so many issues with drivers just silently failing. It seems to have the most trouble with discrete sound cards and USB audio interfaces. I can’t tell you how many Discord and Teams calls I’ve had in Windows where the first 5 minutes is re-configuring audio settings that didn’t stick. This is basically a non-issue in my Linux setups.
macOS audio is probably the best combination of easy to configure and it works consistently. The biggest downside is that you need a lot of 3rd party software to do anything more advanced than setting a single device and volume for the entire system.
Note: I primarily use pipewire now. I used to have more problems back when I used pulseaudio.
I have no idea why Pulse is so bad. During my last foray into Linux, I created a shortcut for killing and restarting Pulse and pinned it to the dock. I also replaced all my game shortcuts with scripts that reinitialized pulse, then ran the game, then reinitialized pulse again when the game was closed.
I hate to be this guy, but after being mad that Pop OS now defaults to pipewire, it’s pretty fucking nice. It’s stable and a little annoying to configure, but it works so much better than pulse. Perhaps consider switching?
My current distro also uses pipewire and I’ve had no issues. I haven’t even needed to configure anything. I originally went to Linux when my XP install died and I couldn’t afford a Win7 license. I was happy enough with Win10 to migrate to that when it came out, and now that Microsoft is forcing people onto Win11 I’m back to Linux as my primary. Pipewire and Proton really took Linux from ‘good enough’ to ‘actually quite nice’.
Like, yeah. When you have everything working as it should, Linux runs smoothly and there are no more complications. But it’s a real pain in the ass that initial configuration, especially for newbies like me a couple of years ago.
Thank you for pointing that out! Exactly the same for me
i currently have something similar with video output: if i turn off my monitor and turn it back on too fast (or if i disconnect/reconnect it), now there is no more picture, and i have to reboot per remote shell to get it back.
oh well, at least there’s an open issue in some github about it, so it will be fixed sometime in the future.
I heard that he wrote that song after visiting an underground mall in Japan. How gnarly was that mall, that it made Jamaroquai write a song about technology being fucked up?
Japan is in the 23th century already
In the Japanese zodiac it is the year of the Linux desktop.
In tech: maybe
Other than that it often feels like 1950s America
Even in tech, there are things that probably haven’t changed in the past 25 years
True, but I give them the fax machines in their public offices and floppy disks on trains because the service works. I’d rather have it this way than switching everything to the newest ipads and breaking the service on the way.
I’ve never had Linux sound issues I got no idea what u guys are always on about.
Gotta distrohop more my dude. Reinstall your OS every week.
Nar I was on arch now on QubesOS am happy where I’m at
they probably have a thinkpad or a system76, so of course it always works
I got a framework and had a thinkpad previously so yeah good hardware choice lol.
I think a netbook I had in 2014 was the last time I had any audio problems.
Has c/linuxmemes become c/excusestokeepusingwindows?
After Windows 10 drops support, the only proprietary system left will be my Mac which I use for music. I’ll be damned if I’m going to try and get Ableton Live running in Wine with low latency. I really wish it wasn’t like that’s though.
Bitwig Studio is what finally allowed me to fully switch to Linux instead of keeping a Mac just for using Ableton Live.
I’m messing with reaper right now and just got my daisychained firewire interface working. What sold you on bitwig? I’m interested, but I haven’t looked into it yet.
MacBook moment
“[word] moment” is such an annoying condescending phrase
Moment moment.
Excellent video.
The effect is so well made, is mesmerizing.
i don’t have sound on Windows, so Linux will bot be hard to accomodate to then
sndio(8) moment.
(With one HDMI-related exception, I have had no trouble with ALSA, JACK, OSS, PulseAudio, or Pipewire)
@NONE_dc looks like pipewire moment :)
We all live underground
I use Linux since 2007 and never had any issues regarding sound.
Seriously OP, get new material.
Personally I have had plenty of issues, and find this meme very relatable.
Meanwhile I had crackling audio after resume the last like 5 or so times I resumed my steam deck from sleep.
Sorry this meme wasn’t relevant to you, I guess?
I landed on my current distro because it was the only one that mapped my speakers correctly. Several others just ignored the satellites or recognized them as a single speaker.
On Manjaro it’s a bit too quiet, but I can live with that fine.
“It works on my computer” is a meme for a reason.
Hmm I remember you being really angry at Linux in general and tagged you as such. Interesting here you are claiming to use Linux.
I was already using Linux when you “tagged” me, unless we met in high school. That’d be why I have anything to say on the subject at all.
Also, I wouldn’t say angry. “Remarkably frustrated”, definitely. “Wondering if all the hours troubleshooting stuff I wasn’t able to fix were worth it” every now and then.
Also, also, I used to think the “we should improve society somewhat” meme was a parody of a form of speech nobody really uses, but here you are.
You can ignore that the context of that conversation was window vs Linux and you were arguing people stay on windows, but I won’t 🤷♂️
I would say I was not, because I probably wasn’t (more likely I was arguing that Linux is not suitable for/about to achieve mass adoption). I barely remember the conversation you’re talking about, though, so I won’t.
I’m sorry to say this, but you’re paying way more attention to me than I am to you.
Yeah I am so obsessed, adding a tag in my app so that I can properly see the context angry ragers come from.
Wait, you actually did that? Is that a thing? I thought you were talking figuratively about the “tagging”.
That’s… actually disturbing and extremely weird. I hadn’t blocked anyone here yet, or even considered it, but you may have found the line.
