Gawd. Do we have to get one of these braindead posts every damn day? You think it’s convincing anyone?
Biden’s concerns aren’t people choosing Trump. Those voters are fixed and committed. Biden has to worry about Democratic voters getting so frustrated with the system that they check out. These posts are practically (if not actually) designed to do exactly that.
Democrats listen up! Bitching at voters is not an effective campaign strategy! Learn something from Hillary or suffer the same fate!
That’s the real takeaway. I’ve said it from the beginning of these posts, making an enemy of disaffected leftists does not make them want to vote for you. Additionally, the drop in support for Democrats is not the fault of leftists, but of Democrats.
Push the Democrats to do better, and leftists will come back. If more leftists see liberals heavily criticizing the DNC and pushing for better, it’s more likely that leftists will vote DNC.
Unironically though. If libs gave a fraction of the deference to leftists as they do to center-right moderates, this would be a very different conversation.
I love how those that are typically content with the US’s hawkish foreign policies, run-away inequality, and collapse of our planet’s habitable ecosystem are the ones labelled moderates.
Oddly enough, RFK Jr is campaigning on fixing all of those, but most people who care about those things still won’t vote for him, but will vote for Biden who has no intention of actually fixing those. I’d love to see voters actually vote for what they claim they want, instead of just voting for whatever party they are registered as. Most R and D will just vote along party lines, regardless of whether or not their candidate is actually a flaming bag of poo.
Being opposed to the science of vaccines should tell you he’s a guy who won’t listen to experts. That’s not what we want in a leader, we saw how well that went with Trump.
But even if he was the type to listen to experts, our election process in the US is “first past the post.” This makes any third party candidate a spoiler, therefore making it more likely that the candidate opposed to that third party’s issues will win.
I hate it, and wish we could do ranked choice or STAR voting to allow viable third party/independent candidates. But we don’t. He’s a science-denying spoiler and nothing more.
You need to listen to what he says, not what’s reported about him. He’s not against vaccines. He’s fully vaccinated, and so are his kids. He wants vaccines to be safer, and believes that not enough is done to make them safer.
“I am entitled to demand to speak to the party’s manager and you’re the one who’s making me act like this you stupid ungrateful minority person who’s pointing out that you’ll be the one who actually gets “punished” if I refuse to engage meaningfully!”
It’s in hopes that those idiots realize that their failure to vote in this election of all elections makes them complicit. Just because you don’t participate in something that you could have helped stop doesn’t make you innocent.
They’re going to pay the price just as much as everyone else if Trump is reelected and if they think at all that any of the things they’re mad at Biden for won’t be done 10 fold by Trump, they’re dumber than I already know they are.
If only those other idiots realized that their constant affirmations of fealty during an active protest undercut the effectiveness of the protest, and all but guarantees that Democrats never have to adjust their policies.
There has been no election in the last 50+ years where progressives didn’t show up en masse for the Democratic candidate. It never happened. As a reward we get this crap every single election cycle.
The voters who don’t vote for the Democrats are voters who have checked out of the process and aren’t reading this crap from establishment cucks. You aren’t going to reach them with a million stupid political memes.
Aside from a few loudmouths, progressive loyalty to the Democrats has never been at issue. By continuously harping on it like it actually is an issue, you are going to make it one. You are telling progressives that their votes are needed but their input is not. Eventually there actually will be a mass betrayal of the Democrats, and the Democrats will have earned it.
Those voters are also maybe voting for the first possibly second time so that whole being jaded shit is a poor argument. Hope they enjoy their consequences. The rest of us won’t.
If progressives turned out as en masse as you insist they have, forget the Dems having dominated the last 50 years of politics, Bernie would have won the primary as the moderate option.
Got some evidence that progressives were the problem? Exit polls have been pretty clear in recent elections as far as I have seen. Without support from the vast majority of progressives, Democrats wouldn’t even be relevant. How about Democrats starting to earn that loyalty?
Bill Clinton is largely responsible for dismantling the federal welfare system. Obama let Wall Street use the mortgage crisis (that they caused) to drain even more wealth out of the middle class. He also set in motion the monetization of healthcare that’s just now accelerating into a massive disaster. Let’s not forget that Bill and Hillary encouraged Trump to run and the media to follow him because they wanted a real asshole to run against. Offering anything of value to the American people wasn’t an option, so they needed an opponent that couldn’t win, and that turned out great!
Quit trying to shove their failures onto people who have been telling Democrats how to win and have been largely ignored or blamed for their failures.
They aren’t going to realize it, but they will blame dems for not stopping Trumps hard right policies and authoritarianism of trump for power again. Even on Israel, you have 1000 times better chance of getting a good result from Biden in the future than you would from Trump, who would gladly bomb Gaza out of existence if he can figure out how to monetize a relationship with Israel.
All of that said, Biden and US should end unconditional military aid to Israel. But not voting for Biden over it will only fuck things up even more.
Gawd. Do we have to get one of these braindead posts every damn day? You think it’s convincing anyone?
Biden’s concerns aren’t people choosing Trump. Those voters are fixed and committed. Biden has to worry about Democratic voters getting so frustrated with the system that they check out. These posts are practically (if not actually) designed to do exactly that.
Democrats listen up! Bitching at voters is not an effective campaign strategy! Learn something from Hillary or suffer the same fate!
That’s the real takeaway. I’ve said it from the beginning of these posts, making an enemy of disaffected leftists does not make them want to vote for you. Additionally, the drop in support for Democrats is not the fault of leftists, but of Democrats.
Push the Democrats to do better, and leftists will come back. If more leftists see liberals heavily criticizing the DNC and pushing for better, it’s more likely that leftists will vote DNC.
But then we lose the centrists!! /s
Unironically though. If libs gave a fraction of the deference to leftists as they do to center-right moderates, this would be a very different conversation.
I love how those that are typically content with the US’s hawkish foreign policies, run-away inequality, and collapse of our planet’s habitable ecosystem are the ones labelled moderates.
Oddly enough, RFK Jr is campaigning on fixing all of those, but most people who care about those things still won’t vote for him, but will vote for Biden who has no intention of actually fixing those. I’d love to see voters actually vote for what they claim they want, instead of just voting for whatever party they are registered as. Most R and D will just vote along party lines, regardless of whether or not their candidate is actually a flaming bag of poo.
Being opposed to the science of vaccines should tell you he’s a guy who won’t listen to experts. That’s not what we want in a leader, we saw how well that went with Trump.
But even if he was the type to listen to experts, our election process in the US is “first past the post.” This makes any third party candidate a spoiler, therefore making it more likely that the candidate opposed to that third party’s issues will win.
I hate it, and wish we could do ranked choice or STAR voting to allow viable third party/independent candidates. But we don’t. He’s a science-denying spoiler and nothing more.
You need to listen to what he says, not what’s reported about him. He’s not against vaccines. He’s fully vaccinated, and so are his kids. He wants vaccines to be safer, and believes that not enough is done to make them safer.
It wouldn’t even be a conversation, I think.
Man I can just hear how white you are
“I am entitled to demand to speak to the party’s manager and you’re the one who’s making me act like this you stupid ungrateful minority person who’s pointing out that you’ll be the one who actually gets “punished” if I refuse to engage meaningfully!”
Damn that’s some racist bullshit. And you have the nerve to talk about not engaging meaningfully.
It’s in hopes that those idiots realize that their failure to vote in this election of all elections makes them complicit. Just because you don’t participate in something that you could have helped stop doesn’t make you innocent.
They’re going to pay the price just as much as everyone else if Trump is reelected and if they think at all that any of the things they’re mad at Biden for won’t be done 10 fold by Trump, they’re dumber than I already know they are.
If only those other idiots realized that their constant affirmations of fealty during an active protest undercut the effectiveness of the protest, and all but guarantees that Democrats never have to adjust their policies.
There has been no election in the last 50+ years where progressives didn’t show up en masse for the Democratic candidate. It never happened. As a reward we get this crap every single election cycle.
The voters who don’t vote for the Democrats are voters who have checked out of the process and aren’t reading this crap from establishment cucks. You aren’t going to reach them with a million stupid political memes.
Aside from a few loudmouths, progressive loyalty to the Democrats has never been at issue. By continuously harping on it like it actually is an issue, you are going to make it one. You are telling progressives that their votes are needed but their input is not. Eventually there actually will be a mass betrayal of the Democrats, and the Democrats will have earned it.
Those voters are also maybe voting for the first possibly second time so that whole being jaded shit is a poor argument. Hope they enjoy their consequences. The rest of us won’t.
Yeah except for 2022, 2016, 2014, 2012, 2010, 2004, 2000, 1998, 1996, 1994, 1988, 1984, 1980…
If progressives turned out as en masse as you insist they have, forget the Dems having dominated the last 50 years of politics, Bernie would have won the primary as the moderate option.
Got some evidence that progressives were the problem? Exit polls have been pretty clear in recent elections as far as I have seen. Without support from the vast majority of progressives, Democrats wouldn’t even be relevant. How about Democrats starting to earn that loyalty?
Bill Clinton is largely responsible for dismantling the federal welfare system. Obama let Wall Street use the mortgage crisis (that they caused) to drain even more wealth out of the middle class. He also set in motion the monetization of healthcare that’s just now accelerating into a massive disaster. Let’s not forget that Bill and Hillary encouraged Trump to run and the media to follow him because they wanted a real asshole to run against. Offering anything of value to the American people wasn’t an option, so they needed an opponent that couldn’t win, and that turned out great!
Quit trying to shove their failures onto people who have been telling Democrats how to win and have been largely ignored or blamed for their failures.
They aren’t going to realize it, but they will blame dems for not stopping Trumps hard right policies and authoritarianism of trump for power again. Even on Israel, you have 1000 times better chance of getting a good result from Biden in the future than you would from Trump, who would gladly bomb Gaza out of existence if he can figure out how to monetize a relationship with Israel.
All of that said, Biden and US should end unconditional military aid to Israel. But not voting for Biden over it will only fuck things up even more.