I really don’t get it. I realize this is likely a me thing. I’ve never read any his comics. He doesn’t have any powers. He just shoots people. I think he shoots only bad guys, right? Seeing people get what they deserve is nice but you could also do that with a robot mech suit or giant green imaginary weapons or laser beams from your eyes. I could go on. He wears all black, so he’s emo, and shoots people. I just don’t get it.
I like the Punisher for the exact opposite reason you probably like Superman. Criminals don’t get to go through the corrupt “justice” system.
Dangling brutal/violent punishment is a great incentive for people to stop committing crimes.
Hah, you’re probably right! I like superman because it’s so over the top with powers and black and white morality. It’s unrealistic hopefulness is why I like it.
It’s certainly a personal preference, but I’ll give some insight as a casual Punisher fan:
A character doesn’t need superpowers to be interesting. People can enjoy the Punisher despite him being “just a guy who shoots people with a gun” in the same way people enjoy “John Wick”, Judge Dredd, “Taken”, Jason Bourne, “Die Hard”, or any movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. The archetypal “one man army with nothing left to lose” story is cliched and perhaps “basic”, but can also be written in a compelling way depending on the author. Lots of different authors have written for The Punisher over the years, some being better than others.
I personally think a fun aspect of the character is his understanding that he isn’t a good guy; he (in most continuities I’ve read) hates what he has become and only does it because it’s all he knows. He doesn’t characterize it as “justice”, either. He does what he does as a means of punishment, vengeance, and retribution (and considers it a preventative measure when the criminal is irredeemably evil).
Some of his better stories explore the consequences of this judge-jury-and-executioner approach he takes. For example, killing an undercover cop who had infiltrated a gang that was on Punisher’s hit-list. In that particular instance, he was willing to let the undercover cop’s widow execute him as penance for his mistake. The widow lets him live because she doesn’t want to be like him.
A character doesn’t need superpowers to be interesting. People can enjoy the Punisher despite him being “just a guy who shoots people with a gun” in the same way people enjoy “John Wick”, Judge Dredd, “Taken”, Jason Bourne, “Die Hard”, or any movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger.
How did you get through all of that without pointing out Batman?
Batman’s endless arsenal of gadgets may not technically be a superpower, but he’s typically written in such a way that they are treated as one. He’s not really any different from most superhero comics, not in the way that Punisher is.
Imo John Wick is definitely on the same levels as batman there. Dude has some reality-bending gadgets too and beyond human levels of training/endurance.
Likely because 99% of the time he doesn’t shoot people.
Cause I was thinking of characters who use guns, which isn’t really Batman’s vibe (aside from his very early years)
That’s true…
Dick Tracy then!
Technically Tintin…? 🤣
Came here for this
Tbf Batman can get pretty wacky at times.
Conan had a gun?
Two actually.
nice
I’d say hes easier to relate to without super powers.
He wears all black, so he’s emo
Punisher comics isn’t the only thing you don’t get.
I mean… James Bond is also just a guy who shoots people. Most non-action movies are just a series of conversations. How the story is told is often far more important than the boiled down concept.
Punisher was created as a response to a very popular series of 1970s revenge flicks.
Death Wish (Novel, 1972):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Wish_(novel)
Death Wish (Movie, 1974):
Punisher’s first appearance (1974):
Superpowers, from a literary standpoint, can get a bit derivative and boring. It’s hard to feel the stakes of a certain threat when the protagonist of a story can just superpower their way out of it.
The Punisher flips the superhero trope by portraying what a true to life superhero would probably look like. He isn’t noble. He isn’t invincible. He has no enhanced abilities beyond his ability to leverage violence and a pathological determination to pursue his own twisted vision of justice. He is a walking result of severe emotional trauma, and his coping mechanism is inflicting pain and death on others.
As a superhero archetype, he’s very bleak. That’s what makes him relatable to a lot of people.
Superpowers, from a literary standpoint, can get a bit derivative and boring
If the author is bad at crafting a narrative, sure. Powers are just like any tool a character has. If there’s never any limitations to its use, it’s boring to read about.
Personally, I’ve never read it. But the reason people like or dislike stories isn’t because of powers or machines in them.
But the reason people like or dislike stories isn’t because of powers or machines in them.
For some, sure. For others, like me, that is exactly why I like certain things.
Then like something else.
Because he’s a cool dude who doesn’t afraid of anything.
So people like it the same way they like the fonz?
Now that you mention it, I do like my superheroes next to a themed jukebox!
It’s too bad the name Captain America was already taken, because this guy sounds slightly more accurate.
People have different tastes? I find Superman incredibly uninteresting most of the time. I get why people like him, and if it floats their boat I’m happy for them but it ain’t for me.
Punisher is basically just “what if Batman had less of a moral code, and wasn’t a billionaire in his off time.” That’s got the potential to be an interesting character, even if it’s not for me personally.
It’s easier to fantasize about being somebody that doesn’t require magical powers.
I didn’t get to get a lot of comics as a kid. I got punisher because they tended to be more insular. I borrowed friends/relatives Carnage comics but never got to finish the run. I couldn’t get into fantastic 4 partly because there were so many iterations, and some of those I would get the lecture of ‘well you really gotta start here and this references this story line from 5 years ago’.
Punisher was simple action and tended to have shorter story lines.
He kills the bad guys. Batman doesn’t make sense. How many people has the Joker killed? Yet Batman won’t kill him and he keeps getting out and committing crime.
and ironically, the bad guys are dirty cops.
So. like. you know. all those dirty cops with the punisher skull? fridge-temperature IQ’s.
There’s even a scene in the comics where Frank is stop-and-frisked by some cops. Once they realize who he is, the cops let him go, saying they’re a big fan of his work.
That has Frank going on a tirade about how they shouldn’t be cops if they’re fans of his work; He exists specifically to take down cops like them. His entire family is dead, and the killers walked free because of dirty cops.
Which one is this from?
Like I said… Fridge-temperature IQ. Maybe freezer temp. (0-2 degrees for freezers, right?
Why don’t you try reading them? I don’t “get” most of the media I have never tried.
Well, I’m glad there’s so much here to learn about the comic in all the great comments. I really thought we were gonna talk about why there are so many cars with punisher decals and the like.
If OP wants to know why Punisher is plastered on so many cars, it’s because of bigotry.
It is rather interesting that the kind of people that puts a punisher sticker in their car would be the firsts in line to eat a bullet by the punisher if he existed. Which is why marvel recently changed the logo. Though that doesn’t change anything IRL. At least the creators do show audiences that if a militia adopted punisher’s logo, and tried to associate it ideologically with their way of thinking. It would only target them as the punisher’s next victims.
