And I fully agree, the way the op posted it with “counter point” already send the discussion in the wrong way.

I think the ‘discussion’ failed the moment someone said “how come men are angry at women doing ‘x’” and the entire fucking thread is full of men talking about men.

Like I’m not surprised, I’m just mildly amused I’m yet again changing accounts for awhile while my inbox fills with angry men shouting messages at me I never read. Every. Single. Time. A thread about an experience a woman has with men being shit in it is always filled with comments from men “nuh uh, whatabout…!” in response.

Every. Time. It’s so fucking embarrassing I wish I could literally just not be my gender for awhile. We’ve been in power for almost the entirety of humanity but oh my God a woman made a comment about how shitty men are to them, so let’s constantly make absolute ironic assholes of ourselves.

Peace out, men, you continue the trend of making us all look like whiny babies who can’t handle not being talked about, and not being The Normal.

Yes, it’s not a counter point but rather an also important parallel discussion. We need to have higher standards for male role models, or we will continue to have incels fill the space.

I feel like it’s awfully interesting though that we have ‘parallel discussions’ whenever someone says “hey this specific thing sucks for women.” The original question posited here was:

Why do males complain about female-led stories or too many female characters when the majority are still dominated by males?

The question is why do men complain about female leads, which they do, when the majority of leads are still male, which they are. The answer to that isn’t “we need better male role models in movies” (though it would obviously help as well) as it’s dodging the original question.

You can’t really compare the two movies,

I’m not exactly, I’m asking why:

A story about a character born perfect and never faltering isn’t fun

Can be true, but also John Wick can never falter and that be fine. Kinda seems like a double standard to me.

First, I’m confused as to why you’d need to segregate books and film by gender, these all have either a male or non-gendered lead: Captain Underpants, Nate the Great, Hal The 3rd Class Hero, The Hobbit, The Lord of The Rings, Treasure Island, Danny the Champion of the World, The Outsiders, The Adventures of Robin Hood, Percy Jackson (all 40 billion of the series), The Giving Tree, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, Bridge to Terabithia, James and the Giant Peach, Holes (series), Where The Wild Things Are, The Heroes of Olympus (more Percy Jackson I think), Ender’s Game, Winnie The Pooh, Narnia (series), The Wind In The Willows, The Indian in the Cupboard, Fantastic Mr. Fox, The Neverending Story, I Am Every Good Thing, Don’t Hug Doug (He Doesn’t Like it), King Arthur’s Very Great Grandson, A Wizard of Earthsea, The Wild Robot (series), Stuart Little, Mr. Popper’s Penguins, George’s Marvellous Medicine, Lord of The Flies, Calvin and Hobbes (series), The Dangerous Book for Boys, The American Boys Handy Book.

(You didn’t specify age, so I tried to add our family suggestions for about 4-12. Once he’s older, depending on your thoughts on the language, we also have a lot of suggestions for Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn)

I think the issue is that the movies aren’t written well. Rey in the third trilogy never saw a challenge she couldn’t master on the first attempt. A story about a character born perfect and never faltering isn’t fun

John Wick gets a pass, though?

These problems existed long, long before the modern far-right movement started. It’s partly why it works so well. This male egotism in media existed before, and less resistance to it also used to exist. That change in social atmosphere means that men can be manipulated into further and further misogynistic beliefs. All it takes is dogwhistles and a loud, angry, entitled male gamer, and you can radicalize thousands of people into misogyny. And they will repeat that cycle with more or less any boy or man they know.

I’m sorry you’ve written so much here I want to underscore and shout to the heavens, yet there is so much and I fear I won’t do it justice. Fascism is on the rise, and young men-- just as last time–are carrying it forward. Misogyny has become an assumed character trait in huge swaths of men, to the point you see insane arguments online about how men ‘have it harder’ than the gender held in captivity less than a lifetime ago. It wasn’t until the 1960’s in Vancouver, BC that women could get a loan without a man co-signing (and it was a credit union, not even a large bank.) I grew up and lived as a male, white, for over 40 years, and right now is on par, if not worse in many cases, than it was in the 90’s. Men now rail at the idea they can’t always be ‘the default.’ That the reason for these pronoun-forward changes is because it’s always been man-first, from not even bothering to test drugs on women to ‘room temperature’ being what a bunch of middle aged white men, such as myself, find comfortable. To men being the vast majority of main characters, to the goddamn Bechdel test being oh-so-relevant.

So I wanted to add a quote about just how long this has existed, and the sheer length of fight women have had just to exist unchained. I have not gone through the fight you have, yet I hope you’ll allow me at your side.

"You see, when I was growing up at the time of the Wars of the Medes and Persians and when I went to college just after the Hundred Years War and when I was bringing up my children during the Korean, Cold, and Vietnam Wars, there were no women. Women are a very recent invention. I predate the invention of women by decades. Well, if you insist on pedantic accuracy, women have been invented several times in widely varying localities, but the inventors just didn’t know how to sell the product. Their distribution techniques were rudimentary and their market research was nil, and so of course the concept just didn’t get off the ground. Even with a genius behind it an invention has to find its market, and it seemed like for a long time the idea of women just didn’t make it to the bottom line. Models like the Austen and the Brontë were too complicated, and people just laughed at the Suffragette, and the Woolf was way too far ahead of its time.

So when I was born, there actually were only men. People were men. They all had one pronoun, his pronoun; so that’s who I am. I am the generic he, as in, “If anybody needs an abortion he will have to go to another state,” or “A writer knows which side his bread is buttered on.” That’s me, the writer, him. I am a man." -Ursula K. Le Guin, 1992

I appreciate what you’re saying, however:

Women are, regardless of any other stat, still under-represented. 2000-2009 is depressing.

R6 Siege, Apex Legends, PUBG, Insurgency Sandstorm (which seems to be an off/on thing from the descriptions.)

Thanks for posting this, I didn’t realise how many of my most played games have issues, or are unplayable, according to Proton DB. I forgot that it was effectively impossible to play a huge number of multiplayer games with anticheat/whatever stuff.

Again though, appreciate it!

I’d put intentionally getting kids to gamble pretty fucking far below ‘perfect.’

They won’t because they’re the ones making money from it.

I was (trying to) be tongue in cheek about it, so yes of course they won’t. I just don’t like the idea of propping up Valve as some incorruptible, can-do-no-wrong company. They know they’re causing children to gamble and it’s not that they don’t care, they actively encourage it.

Now let’s see if they address underage gambling.

It’s not half that want them, it’s like 20%. 80% are allowing them to do these things.

Sure, civil war, civil disobedience, call it whatever you want. They’re putting children in camps, at what point do ‘you’ (the people of the US) stand up to it? Do they need to create death camps with ovens before you all react, or are you going to ‘aww geez’ at not wanting to stand up to them? The nazi’s made it illegal to save children from being tortured to death, at what point do you say ‘law’ be damned, I won’t watch this happen?

So we went from “pelase vote in November” to “some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make”? Holy dystopian nightmare, batman.

When people didn’t vote against Fascists? Yes.

And it’s not about what people being ‘willing’ to watch others die, it’s about people standing up and being willing to die for their less powerful neighbours. I’m middle aged, male (AMAB, anyway) and white. I’ll stand between any cops, military, whatever and my fellow citizens. My grandmother (moms side) was in the Dutch resistance and was caught helping people escape the Nazi’s and spend 1941-1945 in a camp; she never fully recovered and converted to Atheism from Catholicism on her death bed, stating ‘no just God would allow what I have seen and lived through.’ My grandfather (dads side) served in the Canadian army from 1939 to 1945, and went to every country we fought in. He never slept in the same bed as my grandmother because he had screaming, wake-up-fighting nightmares from what he saw. He drove a motorcycle, delivering orders, moving supplies, etc. He was driving in a ditch beside a convoy just before dawn, for hours, and the ditch was so bumpy he had to keep slowing down because the motorcycle kept slipping. When the light broke, they were finally able to see, and he realised he was driving over the bodies of women and children from nearby villages. The ‘slipping’ was because the bodies were decaying and the motorcycle couldn’t grip, and he and his partner in the side-car took turns holding the handle bars while the other vomited over the side. They couldn’t turn around because beside the ditch was a cliff, and the convoy was bumper to bumper; they drove for six hours, at maybe 5 km/h, sobbing and vomiting. He never told me the story, he refused to talk about the war with me or my brothers, but in a drunken stupor my father told us my grandfathers war stories.

We pretend it’s somehow going to be different this time, like this time fascists can be appeased, this time they won’t invade other countries, or take away all of your rights. 30,000 people are already in camps. We all know what is coming next. You can stand aside like the German people did, watch and wring your hands, tell yourselves lies about the ‘clean Wehrmacht,’ yet everyone knows what’s happening. If we don’t stand up to them, we encourage it to happen.

The thing is you have to force them to do it illegally, brutally, while people can see it. If you give in, if you agree to things, it’s too easy for them.

Yes, many people who stand up to them will die. It’s already been allowed to get to that point. Yet if you sit back and give in, it happens so much more quickly, and much more brutally.

This is especially true if you’re white, or at least not openly a minority. If you’re a middle aged white male, make them go through you. It’s dangerous, you might not make it, so make sure you’re ready. White men standing up to them, constantly, is cognitive dissonance to them. They’ll expect you to always be on your side, and when everyone isn’t, they stumble.

If people constantly resist them at every angle they will fail. We will lose good people doing it, and we have to.

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