Politicians (on all sides) tell us to worry about pronouns and bathrooms so that we are too distracted to question where our taxes are going
One side wants to dehumanize and jail/deport all non-cisgender people, the other side wants them to stop, and you think both sides are the problem because they aren’t focused on taxes enough?
Sure, everyone hates oligarchs. But oligarchs are up there and out of reach, and they are strong enough to retaliate. Instead, you also got these minorities, they’re right here in the punching distance and they even may not hit you back.
This is it, this is how the billionaires make Joes fight other Joes and not the rich. This is why we have the cultural war and not the class war.
Ok, say we have a class war now, are you willing to fight alongside working class racists, transphobes, homophobes, misogynists, etc?
A united public could easily oust the oligarchs and put them where they belong (the guillotines). But that requires large-scale public co-operation and putting aside differences, something the American public is wholly incapable of. I don’t think it would be that hard if that was required in Europe.
We do have oligarchs in Europe, they’re just not celebrities like their American counterparts. And very few of them are the actual billionaires.
That being said, they seem to keep low profile, maybe they really did learn the hard lesson from the European history.
Even in Europe when things would get bad enough for the people to put aside their differences and kill the ruling class, the differences tend to re-assert themselves once the common enemy is gone. That’s where things go south. Cutting heads off is like eating potato chips. You can’t just stop once you’ve started. Eventually you’re pulling crumbs out of the bottom of the bag.
If it gets bad enough for the American people to unite to kill the oppressors, the oppressors will definitely have a bad time, but you better be ready for one hell of a rough ride after.
Cutting heads off is like eating potato chips. You can’t just stop once you’ve started.
I’m worried about the very same thing. I have just yesterday read about the actual French Revolution and the Reign Of Terror that followed short after simply because - guess what - the revolutionaries couldn’t stop killing people, for some reason.
It in fact even went to absurd extents, where they ended up killing other revolutionaries and eventually they themselves got guillotined themselves.
I think the lesson to learn here is to take the oligarch’s wealth, but not kill them. In other words: “Tax the Rich”, not “Eat the Rich”.
which is worse, the oligarchy (french monarchy) or the aftermath - robespierre / reign of terror etc?
I’d say france, after, even with the horrors of the transition is worth it.
we killed and forced our british royal oppressors once. so… perhaps… but it’s awfully hard to rebuild things once wrecked.
Honestly, there is going to be a rough ride either way. Might as well make it useful.
Thank you. So many people lately that think there’s some magic “fix everything” button hidden in the neck of whatever top asshole is in power.
Doesn’t take too deep a look at revolutions the world over to see that isn’t the case.
Don’t get me wrong, I think we’re at the point where it may be the only way out. It’s just nothing to look forward to, and suggesting Europe “does it better” isn’t comforting.
We’re not incapable, it’s just been thoroughly trained out of us. My dog doesn’t bite but he still has teeth.
A real general strike could work
*would definitely
There, much better :)
Only until the technology exists to replace workers with AI and physical robots.
Not that it really matters but replacing humans with machines has been done for all of the industrialized age on some level or another.
Therefore one doesnt need to worry about that. We rather need to take back the products of our labour. And later, we must demand equal distribution of wealth if work ever became obsolete, which isnt gonna happen imo.
Not going to happen in this lifetime.
AI didn’t exist in any commercial capacity three years ago. It’s already displacing jobs and capturing hundreds of billions of dollars and the quality and ability has improved exponentially.
I do think we’re going to see it this lifetime and sooner than we think. 10-15 years from now, it’s really gonna suck being a kid looking for your first summer job.
Thank you, comrade. Brillantly put.
Oh, it’s a different Dana White
Oooh ok, I was surprised and confused for a second.
This supports my hypothesis that people are mostly emotional. They’re angry and scared so they lash out. They’re not thinking in a calm detached manner.
Somehow we need to direct all the negative emotions towards the people who actually deserve it
In fact, not people actually deserve it. We live in a perverted system that needs inequality. We need to direct our power against said system.
It has been done successfully countless times in history. Just start reading non capitalist sources and be prepared to cry a lot.
If we all do it, there will be no capitalist states left to destroy better solutions.
It’s mainly an issue in the US. And Americans are not taught how to handle emotions or think critically.
What is exactly an American issue? Because all the issues here are not exclusive to the US, they’re pervasive all over Europe, and as far as I know (second hand), the rest of the world as well.
Post-national wealth is the thing they’re distracting us from. They’re more powerful than countries. They’ve basically bought the worlds superpowers. The axis of power is not nations anymore but collectives of oligarchs. As it stands it’s apparently the Russia, China, and America regions with billionaires toying the world like a board game.
France used to use pitchforks and guillotine for that.
Is Dana white fuckin dudes now?
Well he laid out pretty clearly why we shouldn’t care
Fuck away my man! Well said. Well not man, just…you know what I mean. Everyone should enjoy life in this country so long as it doesn’t bother others. That’s the whole thing expressed in “the pursuit of happiness”. That’s why we’re all here, just trying to be as happy as we can be.
They’re cucks. They want daddy dump to bend them over
I get his point and I agree with it, but I think it’s worth pointing out that people can and often do care about multiple things at once
This can be turned around. The planet is burning and you want to fuck around and argue pronouns.
How should unity be created? By tolerating everything or by surpressing everything in public?
Both are possible. How should the choice be made which one to use?
There’s tiger that want to eat you and you want to negotiate a peace treaty with the tiger. 🤣
You ignore your own power. It’s two tigers who have to cooperate to escape a burning cage.
Nobody wants to argue about fucking pronouns except the people insisting on making it into a fucking issue. Nobody wants to argue it’s okay to fuck who they want except the fuckheads saying you can’t fuck who you want because I disagree.
This is a beyond garbage take.
except the people insisting on making it into a fucking issue
Which are enough that society is split and there is no unity to prevent the planet from burning.
It’s one way to call them stupid and wait until they change their mind. I think it’s better to recognize that they insist on their way with the same determination. So instead of waiting forever, we should find a way to overcome the split.
People like you came up with the Missouri Compromise.
Only that I argue that we should choose one side or the other entirely.
find a way to overcome the split
Good idea, I propose everybody grows the fuck up and accepts people can be different than they are without being evil. If regressives can’t tolerate the existence of LQBTQ+ comrades, the only two morally acceptable choices I see are for them to get their shit together or for the rest of the world to move on without them. I’d LOVE to see a full working class coalition, but keep in mind these aren’t differences of opinion over tax policies we’re talking here - there’s no room for compromise if the stakes are human rights.
You’re so right. We need to find a middle ground on every issue.
Vaccines cause autism is valid. Child brides are valid. Slavery is valid.
I am not arguing for a middle ground but for choosing one side and fully committing to it.
Intolerance is not to be tolerated.
How should the choice be made which one to use?
Use tolerance as a social contract instead of a default “everyone is tolerated” type. If you don’t tolerate someone else in society then you are no longer tolerated. Seems simple to me.
Now you might say, but the people that want to be called a certain pronoun aren’t tolerating the hatred of another group that wants to address them “however they see fit”. Well that 2nd group isn’t tolerating the first group. The first group was just living and the second group started the intolerance. Also, if you use hatred to justify why you should be tolerated then you lost the fight.
Hope that clears it up for you.
If you don’t tolerate someone else in society then you are no longer tolerated.
You can only do that if you control society. If you don’t then intolerance towards nonnormative behavior becomes also a possible strategy.
This is a shitty take
