I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.
Republicans have terrible economic policies. Voting for Republicans for economic reasons is stupid. Even if you’re rich, if you care about the long term.
Things are in fact getting worse for the average American over time… Or were you being facetious? That’s where the whole thing falls apart and you get nihilistic voters and raging petty tyrants electing a fascist.
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course” I’d fucking riot. Please don’t present Biden’s position of “what do you mean? The economy is awesome” as the reasonably side here.
Inflation happened all over the world after covid due to supply issues, when production had to resume when restrictions were lifted. US had one of the lowest inflation in Western world
During first taco term there was a massive wealth transfer due to the tax bill. The corporate tax cuts were permanent, while cuts for us were expiring year over year, last one expires this year.
if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course”
…. And you had the awareness to see the historically huge investments in infrastructure, supply chains, renewable energy, EVs that would have added thousands of jobs? that inflation had been trending down and was near normal? Repeated attempts to implement assistance for the student loan crisis over Republican objections? Etc
Biden did a lot of the right things for all of us, but we needed to stay the course long enough for them to take effect and we needed to be both aware that they existed and patient enough to understand that some things take time.
Instead we voted for an orange child to throw tantrums and break all our toys.
Destruction is fast and easy, but building is much harder and takes more time
Setting aside that even then denying that there’s a problem at all is still fucking stupid, if you feel you have no future at all under the current system there is logic to burning everything down and hoping something less terrible comes out of the ashes.
Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn’t going to do that is secondary.
If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.
Far-Right Populists are riding this effect all over the World all the while mainstream “moderates” entreched in and winning from the current system see nothing wrong with it and persist in trying to sell “steady as she goes” as policy (after all, that’s what’s best for them personally), something which ressonates with the people who haven’t yet been affected by the pillaging of the Economy by the ultra-wealthy - the well-off middle class - but not with those below who are suffering, and as the effects of the pillaging climb higher and higher up the economic ladder, the number of those suffering keeps increasing and so does the appeal of the far-right promises.
I’m actually a member of a small leftwing party in my own country and the current leadership totally fucked the party up in the last decade or so (falling from almost 20 parliamentary representatives to 1) exactly because the new and younger leadership whom the old guard moved over to give room to, were out of touch well-off middle class types who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never really had to fight for making a living, and hence started parroting liberal talking points from the anglo-saxon world (because all they know besides the local language is English, and they saw that shit on Twitter and though it was “leftwing”) all the while most of the people in the country were feeling the pain and it wasn’t related to the political slogans that these people were parroting and the unfairnesses they obcessed about.
The out of touch leftwing-cosplayer crowd will never beat the far-right populists because the latter actually pitch radical solutions for the problems of the many (all complete total bullshit, but many people can’t tell so go for it) whilst the former pitch “steady as she goes with a few tweaks” which works only for the “I’m alright” well-off middle class and above, not the many, so won’t really appeal to the bulk of voters.
I’m not saying that voting for the far-right populists is right or will actually solve the problems of the many, I’m saying it’s understandable that so many end up grabbing what looks like the only lifebouy in front of them.
Any genuine half-way competent leftwing politicians from a priviledged background should realise that their life experience is not representative and that the “inequalities” that are of concern to the upper middle class (a typical example: the “glass ceiling for women to become CEOs”) aren’t at all the biggest and most painful inequalities out there (they only affect a tiny proportion of people, who are already priviledged compared to most of the population and are not at all in pain) and actually fight against the pains that affect the many even if that requires breaking the very system that made them “winners” the day they were born.
Anyways, now in America we’re seeing what far-right populists really are when they have power, similarly to what happened in Brexit Britain some years ago (and the “moderate” politicians there don’t seem to have so far learned the lesson and keep on relying on the mathematical rigging of FPTP to get power less and less votes) and of course all their promises were bullshit and their “solutions” only make things worse.
People vote based on principles and strategies different from yours. Bitching about it won’t change that fact or help you win elections. Enjoy your 5 minutes of hate.
To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American’s on average are that gullible.
Duh. Like another poster said though, Trump campaigned on improving the economy. He said he would do it. The Dems are so spineless they won’t even lean into that. They focus on niche issues of minority groups. It’s a recipe for fucking losing and they know it is the worst part, because at the end of the day, they get their funding from corporate donors who will cut them off if they ever actually push for real change.
Let’s be real: Yes, the Democrats ran a historically tone-deaf campaign. But Trump’s entire economic pitch boils down to ‘Just believe me, folks! The same empty promise he made before leaving office with record job losses, broken supply chains, and an economy in freefall. I get what your saying I just have trouble believing voters are this desperate to blame ‘wokeism’ that they’ll ignore:
The $7.8 trillion he added to the debt?
The 3 million jobs lost under his watch?
The fact his ‘miracle economy’ was a sugar rush of tax cuts for billionaires?
You better believe it. Have you spoken to them? I speak to Trump voters every day. It’s what he says that matter. They do not give a shit about what he does. The Dems don’t speak or do anything about these things so can you blame them for choosing him despite all his lies? At least he talks about the issues.
Which doesn’t make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones
I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.
Republicans have terrible economic policies. Voting for Republicans for economic reasons is stupid. Even if you’re rich, if you care about the long term.
MUH ECONOMIC ANXIETY
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Trump: Kill healthcare and social programs and deport Brown people. Instant fix.
Dumbfucks: I do hate people who aren’t like me. And harming others makes me feel better about myself. I’m in.
Things are in fact getting worse for the average American over time… Or were you being facetious? That’s where the whole thing falls apart and you get nihilistic voters and raging petty tyrants electing a fascist.
Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course” I’d fucking riot. Please don’t present Biden’s position of “what do you mean? The economy is awesome” as the reasonably side here.
Two things:
Okay? What’s your point?
Would you still riot
…. And you had the awareness to see the historically huge investments in infrastructure, supply chains, renewable energy, EVs that would have added thousands of jobs? that inflation had been trending down and was near normal? Repeated attempts to implement assistance for the student loan crisis over Republican objections? Etc
Biden did a lot of the right things for all of us, but we needed to stay the course long enough for them to take effect and we needed to be both aware that they existed and patient enough to understand that some things take time.
Instead we voted for an orange child to throw tantrums and break all our toys.
Destruction is fast and easy, but building is much harder and takes more time
I didn’t think I was. But a real dumbfuck chooses option B
But factually things were improving in spite of corporate greed. But as much as they could have. Now they’re not.
But this wasn’t an essay
When the alternative is to burn everything down, staying the course absolutely is the reasonable option.
Setting aside that even then denying that there’s a problem at all is still fucking stupid, if you feel you have no future at all under the current system there is logic to burning everything down and hoping something less terrible comes out of the ashes.
Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn’t going to do that is secondary.
If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.
Far-Right Populists are riding this effect all over the World all the while mainstream “moderates” entreched in and winning from the current system see nothing wrong with it and persist in trying to sell “steady as she goes” as policy (after all, that’s what’s best for them personally), something which ressonates with the people who haven’t yet been affected by the pillaging of the Economy by the ultra-wealthy - the well-off middle class - but not with those below who are suffering, and as the effects of the pillaging climb higher and higher up the economic ladder, the number of those suffering keeps increasing and so does the appeal of the far-right promises.
I’m actually a member of a small leftwing party in my own country and the current leadership totally fucked the party up in the last decade or so (falling from almost 20 parliamentary representatives to 1) exactly because the new and younger leadership whom the old guard moved over to give room to, were out of touch well-off middle class types who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never really had to fight for making a living, and hence started parroting liberal talking points from the anglo-saxon world (because all they know besides the local language is English, and they saw that shit on Twitter and though it was “leftwing”) all the while most of the people in the country were feeling the pain and it wasn’t related to the political slogans that these people were parroting and the unfairnesses they obcessed about.
The out of touch leftwing-cosplayer crowd will never beat the far-right populists because the latter actually pitch radical solutions for the problems of the many (all complete total bullshit, but many people can’t tell so go for it) whilst the former pitch “steady as she goes with a few tweaks” which works only for the “I’m alright” well-off middle class and above, not the many, so won’t really appeal to the bulk of voters.
I’m not saying that voting for the far-right populists is right or will actually solve the problems of the many, I’m saying it’s understandable that so many end up grabbing what looks like the only lifebouy in front of them.
Any genuine half-way competent leftwing politicians from a priviledged background should realise that their life experience is not representative and that the “inequalities” that are of concern to the upper middle class (a typical example: the “glass ceiling for women to become CEOs”) aren’t at all the biggest and most painful inequalities out there (they only affect a tiny proportion of people, who are already priviledged compared to most of the population and are not at all in pain) and actually fight against the pains that affect the many even if that requires breaking the very system that made them “winners” the day they were born.
Anyways, now in America we’re seeing what far-right populists really are when they have power, similarly to what happened in Brexit Britain some years ago (and the “moderate” politicians there don’t seem to have so far learned the lesson and keep on relying on the mathematical rigging of FPTP to get power less and less votes) and of course all their promises were bullshit and their “solutions” only make things worse.
But it really looks more like I’m trying to call for a rescue and you knock the phone out of my hand to hail the guy throwing rocks in the water
“Okay, so I believed the authoritarian liar – but I was soooooooo mad! I literally had no choice!”
It’s called nuance and it’s a lot more productive than blind righteous anger.
People vote based on principles and strategies different from yours. Bitching about it won’t change that fact or help you win elections. Enjoy your 5 minutes of hate.
I honestly do not think that it did.
That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don’t buy it.
To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American’s on average are that gullible.
Duh. Like another poster said though, Trump campaigned on improving the economy. He said he would do it. The Dems are so spineless they won’t even lean into that. They focus on niche issues of minority groups. It’s a recipe for fucking losing and they know it is the worst part, because at the end of the day, they get their funding from corporate donors who will cut them off if they ever actually push for real change.
Let’s be real: Yes, the Democrats ran a historically tone-deaf campaign. But Trump’s entire economic pitch boils down to ‘Just believe me, folks! The same empty promise he made before leaving office with record job losses, broken supply chains, and an economy in freefall. I get what your saying I just have trouble believing voters are this desperate to blame ‘wokeism’ that they’ll ignore:
It’s a death wish for the middle class.
You better believe it. Have you spoken to them? I speak to Trump voters every day. It’s what he says that matter. They do not give a shit about what he does. The Dems don’t speak or do anything about these things so can you blame them for choosing him despite all his lies? At least he talks about the issues.
We all know the economy is bad. But they choose to believe it is caused by trans people and immigrants. So OOP still correct.
Which doesn’t make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones
Except the only indicator that matters to the oligarchic owner/operators of the USA, the wealth transfer to the rich.
Yeah but almost all his voters are not oligarchs by statistics, they are just stupid