The internet is already exploding about Katherine Parkinson, John Lithgow and Paapa Essiedu signing up to the new Hogwarts adventures – and it hasn’t even started filming
Ok fair, and kind of obvious now that I think about it. But a lot of people seem to also be arguing that the books can stand alone and be enjoyed separate from the author’s discriminatory beliefs. And if that is the case, then let’s take the books separately, and examine what they really are presenting to the audience that loves them so much. Even forgetting about Rowling, can these people really say they feel it’s totally ok to enjoy a classicist story about discrimination, slavery, and child abuse, etc.? And that they should be allowed to enjoy such a story without anyone casting aspersions against them?
I’ll agree to examine the books separate from the author the day buying them doesn’t mean giving her money to finance her backwards agenda. Until then, they are 100% linked.
Yeah I feel the same. I would love to get a really good and nostalgic tv series out of this, the movies were a big thing in my youth and I liked them, and while I can now see it and some of its themes and portrayals in a very different light even ignoring Rowling themself, I would argue the problematic stuff are in line with other cliche fantasy that have very similar problems. There seems to be a baseline of problematic stuff pretty much everything includes, likely there from naivety or ignorance rather than intentional malice, but there nevertheless. I can live with that small baseline amount as long as it’s clearly sensible, in that I can understand it’s probably not intended to do harm, and ultimately does not do much of it even unintentionally. And I can’t say I haven’t yearned a little bit to play the rpg situated in the world either.
BUT, and this is important to me, I can’t, unless Rowlings no longer benefits from them. The IP, if bought by HBO for example, leaving no royalties to the transphobic bigot, I could see myself even enjoying again. But the cutoff would have to be complete. Even if they managed to cut off Rowlings just for this show, they would still benefit from it in merchandise and the IP recognition in general, so I could not allow myself to enjoy the show even if it did not directly benefit the bigot.
But that’s not very likely, is it, to entirely cut them off? If anyone using the IP truly want to get the full potential, they should find a way to entice the bigot to sell off any and all rights and benefits regarding them and the franchise. But that’s not going to happen, because the hateful bigot needs the money to wage war against minorities.
It’s expensive to be hateful and oppressing. You need a money making machine to support such a campaign. And the bigot knows that.
The sad thing is, this will likely be a hit still. Most people don’t seem to care, and I guess that’s valid. But it’s harmful. Just like the game. People find ways to justify their consumption even if they are aware and agree with the problems.
Can’t do much else than try and educate the few people we face in our lives.
But if it was ever possible, I would do much want to try the game and ultimately watch this show too, if it ends up being decent in production terms. Just can’t see that happening, which is sad.
Really not looking forward to a repeat of the time of the Hogwarts Legacy game. Online Trans spaces were being brigaded with every reveiw or JKR tweet and comment sections filled unchallenged with tacit endorsements after the trans voices fell silent because we were all just hoping the abuse would stop. That the HP targeted adds and their companion transphobic political adds riding on the wake of the high on queer creators would dry up. The media, the platforms the people coming into places proclaiming they are gunna buy multiple copies of the game to show us what is what. The suicidal ideation of our most vulnerable friends as they deal with feelings of being targeted and feelings of being unwanted or ignored by the world…
Most people not caring might not be “valid” but it will feel like the truth again.
Well, were you to find it on the high seas, you could still enjoy the universe without contributing to anything related…
That’s what someone I know (possibly the one writing this post) does with games from shitty developers/editors that I still want to try.
I definitely don’t think we should boycott every creation that comes from a shitty person. I mean, Thomas Edison was a pretty terrible person, from what I understand.
Thanks for voicing your disagreement. While I happily engage in this discussion, I believe your initial argument is somewhat lacking.
I believe there are two major differences between Edison and Rowling:
In my opinion, we can all without Rowling’s writings (there is a lot of better fantasy out there for everyone) but we rely on a lot of technology attributed to Edison in our daily lives and not using them would be next to impossible (at least for me)
AFAIK using techs attributed by Edison doesn’t contribute to his personnal wealth or help him push a transphobic and generally far-right agenda
FAMILY guy pretty much foreshadowed her writing, and “coming out as transphobic, but a couple years” they were on to sometime that people were ignorant back then.(there was at least 2 cutscenes about her).
1 where peter was reminiscing about her “know problematic writing of jk rowling”
Ok fair, and kind of obvious now that I think about it. But a lot of people seem to also be arguing that the books can stand alone and be enjoyed separate from the author’s discriminatory beliefs. And if that is the case, then let’s take the books separately, and examine what they really are presenting to the audience that loves them so much. Even forgetting about Rowling, can these people really say they feel it’s totally ok to enjoy a classicist story about discrimination, slavery, and child abuse, etc.? And that they should be allowed to enjoy such a story without anyone casting aspersions against them?
I’ll agree to examine the books separate from the author the day buying them doesn’t mean giving her money to finance her backwards agenda. Until then, they are 100% linked.
Yeah I feel the same. I would love to get a really good and nostalgic tv series out of this, the movies were a big thing in my youth and I liked them, and while I can now see it and some of its themes and portrayals in a very different light even ignoring Rowling themself, I would argue the problematic stuff are in line with other cliche fantasy that have very similar problems. There seems to be a baseline of problematic stuff pretty much everything includes, likely there from naivety or ignorance rather than intentional malice, but there nevertheless. I can live with that small baseline amount as long as it’s clearly sensible, in that I can understand it’s probably not intended to do harm, and ultimately does not do much of it even unintentionally. And I can’t say I haven’t yearned a little bit to play the rpg situated in the world either.
BUT, and this is important to me, I can’t, unless Rowlings no longer benefits from them. The IP, if bought by HBO for example, leaving no royalties to the transphobic bigot, I could see myself even enjoying again. But the cutoff would have to be complete. Even if they managed to cut off Rowlings just for this show, they would still benefit from it in merchandise and the IP recognition in general, so I could not allow myself to enjoy the show even if it did not directly benefit the bigot.
But that’s not very likely, is it, to entirely cut them off? If anyone using the IP truly want to get the full potential, they should find a way to entice the bigot to sell off any and all rights and benefits regarding them and the franchise. But that’s not going to happen, because the hateful bigot needs the money to wage war against minorities.
It’s expensive to be hateful and oppressing. You need a money making machine to support such a campaign. And the bigot knows that.
The sad thing is, this will likely be a hit still. Most people don’t seem to care, and I guess that’s valid. But it’s harmful. Just like the game. People find ways to justify their consumption even if they are aware and agree with the problems.
Can’t do much else than try and educate the few people we face in our lives.
But if it was ever possible, I would do much want to try the game and ultimately watch this show too, if it ends up being decent in production terms. Just can’t see that happening, which is sad.
I don’t think it’s valid
Really not looking forward to a repeat of the time of the Hogwarts Legacy game. Online Trans spaces were being brigaded with every reveiw or JKR tweet and comment sections filled unchallenged with tacit endorsements after the trans voices fell silent because we were all just hoping the abuse would stop. That the HP targeted adds and their companion transphobic political adds riding on the wake of the high on queer creators would dry up. The media, the platforms the people coming into places proclaiming they are gunna buy multiple copies of the game to show us what is what. The suicidal ideation of our most vulnerable friends as they deal with feelings of being targeted and feelings of being unwanted or ignored by the world…
Most people not caring might not be “valid” but it will feel like the truth again.
Well, were you to find it on the high seas, you could still enjoy the universe without contributing to anything related…
That’s what someone I know (possibly the one writing this post) does with games from shitty developers/editors that I still want to try.
I definitely don’t think we should boycott every creation that comes from a shitty person. I mean, Thomas Edison was a pretty terrible person, from what I understand.
Thanks for voicing your disagreement. While I happily engage in this discussion, I believe your initial argument is somewhat lacking.
I believe there are two major differences between Edison and Rowling:
What do you think ?
I certainly agree, but I was seeing some others in this thread who don’t
Not sure about the book but the movies are quite good and don’t promote directly any of the things you claim
FAMILY guy pretty much foreshadowed her writing, and “coming out as transphobic, but a couple years” they were on to sometime that people were ignorant back then.(there was at least 2 cutscenes about her). 1 where peter was reminiscing about her “know problematic writing of jk rowling”