Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of “surprising” growth
Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).
“Tailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,” Pennarun said. “Meanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.”
Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.
become profitable when needed
By what, laying off all QA and support staff and half your developers the moment a single quarterly earnings report isn’t spotlessly gilded?
Nerds stop recommending corporate crap: challenge: impossible
I never really understood the point of using Tailscale over plain ol’ WireGuard. I mean I guess if youve got a dozen+ nodes but I feel like most laymens topologies won’t be complex beyond a regular old wireguard config
Same thing here, either tailscale selfhosted or Netbird selfhosted I’d the way to go for all the nice features, having the free tier or tailscale for personal data never sounded right to me.
NAT punching and proxying when a p2p connection between any 2 nodes cannot be achieved. It’s a world of difference with mobile devices when they always see each other, all the time. However, headscale does all that.
Wireguard doesn’t do NAT/Firewall traversal nor does it have SSO
Tailscale manages the underlying Wireguard for you. I would be great if Wireguard had native NAT traversal but that isn’t the case.
Simplicity?
I mean sure, but I don’t think it’s simpler than setting up a wireguard config IMO. For tailscale you gotta make an account, register devices, connect them. Feel like wireguard is about the same except you don’t have to make an account.
And here I am, still using OpenVPN in 2025 lol
Used to run OpenVPN. Tried Wireguard and the performance was much better, although lacking some of the features some might need/want fit credential-based logins etc
I can highly recommend Netbird selfhosted, it has SSO support, logins, complex network topologies, it uses wireguard under the hood and it’s open source.
Yeah, OpenVPN definitely doesn’t have light spec requirements 😅 thankfully hardware is unfathomably powerful these days.
Sure but wireguards connection is just faster.
Ok and?
Crap, I really need to switch of Tailscale but currently it is an easy way for me to access my stuff outside of home as a temporary solution while I am on a 5G modem.
I can recommend to take a look at netbird.io
Much more user friendly
Json is awful for config
I can’t. I tried it first and installed it on my phone from f-droid. After opening it up, it connected to an already existing network with other people’s old machines from years ago on it. I was horrified.
So then I tried to delete my whole account and couldn’t due to an error. I sent them an email about it and they took like two weeks to respond.
Netbird isn’t on F-droid
Are we talking about the same thing?
It used to be
It has never been on F-droid. I’ve been following the service since it started. It didn’t even have a mobile app not that long ago.
Do you pay for a domain? They likely provide dynamic DNS (DNS). If you’re lucky, they have an API for it, instead of an app, and you can configure a cronjob on your home server to run every 1-5 minutes (or more often, if your IP is super unstable!).
Yeah I can always do that, but putting stuff behind something like Tailscale is (or atleast feels) more secure than making my IP known to the public. I have a DMZ setup though so it should be fine.
Your “IP address” is already public. That’s why an IPv4 address is assigned to you as a “public IP address” and you NAT to a private space. When using IPv6, everything is public.
The key is to secure everything with access restrictions.
Well yes I know, but there is a difference between using a domain bound to me as a person and a random string of numbers that changes every 5 minutes
Chances are you’ve had the same public IP for a long time. Mine hasn’t changed in 2 years.
That was the case when I lived with my parents, but now it changes every 5 minutes sadly.
So I had to shut down my Minecraft server etc for now because I am on a 5G modem which makes it really annoying to open up ports and point a domain to your IP
@chronicledmonocle @Vinstaal0 I used to work for a dial-up ISP. Every IP is registered to an account, if you’re going through your ISP (as opposed to, say, coffee shop or hotel wifi). Though the people who have the information are different (ICANN/registrar vs your internet provider), there’s no anonymity in your home IP address even with CGNAT.
As far as your domain, you should have privacy protection enabled so people can’t find your personal info via whois.
I think I’ll just keep using tailscale until they start enshittifying, and then set up a Headscale instance on a VPS - no need to take this step ahead of time, right?
I mean, all the people saying they can avoid any issues by doing the above - what’s to stop Tailscale dropping support for Headscale in future if they’re serious about enshitification? Their Linux & Android clients are open source, but not IOS or Windows so they could easily block access for them.
My point being - I’ll worry when there is something substantial to worry about, til then they can know I’m using like 3 devices and a github account to authenticate. MagicDNS and the reliability of the clients is just too good for me to switch over mild funding concerns.
Yeah, as I said, it’s a friendly reminder. I’m personally probably doing it this year. It’s entirely possible that enshittification could come even years from now. It all depends on how their enterprise adoption goes I think. The more money they make there, the longer the individual users are gonna be left unsqueezed.
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Sigh…
And even worse:
Everything in Tailscale is Open Source, except the GUI clients for proprietary OS (Windows and macOS/iOS), and the control server.
everything is open source except half of all things.
Lol
To be fair, anything the GUI clients do can be done with the CLI which is still open source and on all desktop platforms and headscale is literally their open source control server.
Yea, but in iOS?
I mean is anything iOS really open source?
Yes? There are Lemmy clients that are open source, for instance. And the Wireguard client is.
The iOS app is the exception for now but with the CLI and the core libs being open source it’s at least not off the table to make an alternate iOS client I’d say.
Huh, I actually didn’t know this because I don’t use Windows/macOS/iOS. Somehow completely missed this.
Granted this is not Headscale’s fault, they’re just using Tailscale clients. Either way I’m glad I use a roll-your-own Wireguard.
I and my partner also don’t use those OSs, but it’s more the point of using FOSS when we can.
I just replaced my entire setup with base wireguard as a challenge, easier than I expected it to be, and not hard to mimic tailscale.
If you just have to talk from many devices to the one server sure, but Tailscale sure makes it easy for many to many. Also if a direct connection is impossible (e.g. firewall of china, CGNAT etc) tailscale puts a relay server in the middle for you.
My entire setup might not be your entire setup, I have the basic functionality of connecting multiple systems into one mesh network. That’s all I needed so it’s all I did.
Any helpful guids or links you feel like sharing for interested parties?
Can you elaborate how?
Pihole and pivpn get along like peas and carrots.
Make the “available ips” your pivpn subnet and ta-da, the mesh functionality of tailscale without the entire connection.
Want to exit node from the server? Just change the value back to 0.0.0.0/0.
I did this was well awhile ago. Felt nice to completely control everything.
I’m unsure if it has been mentioned, but a similar tool which is open source (you can run the backend unlike tailscale), netbird
Is there an issue with Netbird’s servers at the moment? In my testing devices are connected and reach eachother, but the web admin is missing a lot of functionality compared to what’s in the docs. The peer devices section is there, but everything else, user settings, rules etc, isn’t showing/says I don’t have admin permission (of my own account… Lol?)
Honestly, no idea, worth checking their GitHub etc or their status pages if they have any
We’ve implemented netbird at my company, we’re pretty happy with it overall.
The main drawback is that it has no way of handling multiple different accounts on the same machine, and they don’t seem to have any plans for ever really solving that. As long as you can live with that, it’s a good solution.
Support is a mixed bag. Mostly just a slack server, kind of lacking in what I’d call enterprise level support. But development seems to be moving at a rapid pace, and they’re definitely in that “Small but eager” stage where everything happens quickly. I’ve reported bugs and had them fixed the same day.
Everything is open source. Backend, clients, the whole bag. So if they ever try to enshittify, you can just take your ball and leave.
Also, the security tools are really cool. Instead of writing out firewall rules by hand like Tailscale, they have a really nice, really simple GUI for setting up all your ACLs. I found it very intuitive.
Thank you for your insight, I’m assuming the only public part is the UI and coturn (the bit that enables two clients between firewalls to hole-punch)?
Headscale is the tailscale backend server
Well not “the” backend server but “a” different backend server. As far as I know Headscale is a separate implementation from what Tailscale run themselves.
a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed
Switch to self-hosting headscale when they enshittify in an attempt to become profitable, duh
Been meaning to do this. Tailscale was just there and easy to implement when I set my stuff up. Is it relatively simple to transition?
I mainly use Tailscale (and Zerotier) to access my CGNATED LAN, headscale will require me to pay a subscription for a VPS wouldn’t it?
I really envy the guys who say only use them because they’re lazy to open ports or want a more secure approach, I use them because I NEED them lol.
If (when?) Tailscale enshitify I’ll stick with ZT a bit until it goes the same way lol, I started using it 1st, I don’t know if ZT came before Tailscale though.
Same. I mean, I was already looking to rent a VPS, but at least there’s some time so I can save money until things get weird.
Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I can see value of getting a VPS, especially if you are gonna be using it for some other projects, I have had a DO instance in the past and I thinkered with WG back then BTW, but if it is only for remote accessing your home LAN, I don’t feel like paying for it tbh, especially when some users get it for free (public IPv4) and it feels even dumber for me since I have a fully working IPv6 setup!
BTW my ISP is funny, no firewall at all with it, I almost fainted when I noticed everyone could access my self hosted services with the IPv6 address and I did nothing regarding ports or whatsoever… They were fully accessible once I fired up the projects! I think I read an article about this subject… But I can’t recall when or where… I had to manually set up a firewall, which tbh, you always should do and it is especially easy to do in a Synology NAS.
Anyway, back to the mesh VPN part, if they enshitify so be it, but in the meantime we still can benefit from it.
Thats just how IPv6 works. You get a delegate address from your ISP for your router and then any device within that gets it own unique address. Considering how large the pool is, all address are unique. No NAT means no port forwarding needed!
I guess so, my previous ISP also gave me IPv6 address (I could navigate using it) but I could never access my NAS services with it from an IPv6 ready network, I thought it would be the same with the newer ISP, but nope.
Maybe some firewall is active by the ISP? I could not do much thinker back then as I used the stock modem (router) and it was heavily locked.
Vps can be really inexpensive, I pay $3 a month for mine
Or get something like a rapsberry-pi (second hand or on a sale). I have netbird running on it and I can use it to access my home network and also use it as tunnel my traffic through it.
I don’t think that would solve the cgnat issue. I use a vps because I don’t want to pay 250 a month for a starlink routable ip
Same, my Hetzner proxy running NPM, with pivpn and pihole is doing all it needs to do for $3 and some change.
My only open ports on anything I own are 80, 443 and the wg port I changed on that system. Love it.
How does WG work on the local side of the network? Do you need to connect each VM/CT to the wireguard instance?
I am currently setting up my home network again, and my VPS will tunnel through my home network and NPM will be run locally on the local VLAN for services and redirect from there.
I wonder if there is any advantage to run NPM on the VPS instead of locally?
The vps is the wg server and my home server is a client and it uses pihole as the dns server. Once your clients hang around for a minute, their hostnames will populate on pihole and become available just like TS.
You do have to set available ips to wg’s subnet so your clients don’t all exit node from the server, so you’ll be able to use 192.168.0.0 at home still for speed.
As for NPM, run it on the proxy, aim (for example) Jellyfin at 10.243.21.4 on the wg network and bam.
I am a newbie so I am not sure I understand correctly. Tell me if my understanding is good.
Your Pi-Hole act as your DNS, so the VPS use the pi-hole through the tunnel to check for the translation IP, as set through the DNS directive in the wg file. For example, my pi-hole is at 10.0.20.5, so the DNS will be that address.
On the local side, the pi-hole is the DNS for all the services on that subnet and each service automatically populate their host name on pi-hole. I can configure the DNS server in my router/firewall (OPNSense in my case)
So when I ping service.example.com, it goes through the VPS, which queries the pi-hole through the tunnel and translates the address to the local subnet IP if applicable.
So when I have the wg connection active and my pi-hole is the DNS, every web request will go through the pi-hole. If the IP address is inside the range of AllowedIPs, the connection will go through the tunnel to the service, otherwise, the connection will go through outside the wg tunnel.
Does that make sense?
the VPS uses the pi-hole through the tunnel
The VPS is Pihole, the dns for the server side is 127.0.0.1. 127.0.0.1 is also 10.x.x.1 for the clients, so they connect to that as the dns address.
server dns - itself
client dns - the server’s wg address
On the local side, the pi-hole is the DNS for all the services on that subnet and each service automatically populate their host name on pi-hole. I can configure the DNS server in my router/firewall (OPNSense in my case)
Only if your router/firewall can directly connect to wg tunnels, but I went for every machine individually. My router isn’t aware I host anything at all.
So when I ping service.example.com, it goes through the VPS, which queries the pi-hole through the tunnel and translates the address to the local subnet IP if applicable.
Pihole (in my case) can’t see 192.x.x.x hosts. Use 10.x.x.x across every system for continuity.
So when I have the wg connection active and my pi-hole is the DNS, every web request will go through the pi-hole. If the IP address is inside the range of AllowedIPs, the connection will go through the tunnel to the service, otherwise, the connection will go through outside the wg tunnel.
Allowed ips = 10.x.x.0/24 - only connects the clients and server together
Allowed ips = 0.0.0.0/0 - sends everything through the VPN, and connects the clients and server together.
Do the top one, that’s how TS works.
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Bookmarking “headscale”!
I only recently started using Tailscale because it makes connecting to my local network through a Windows VM running in Boxes on Linux a hell of a lot easier than figuring out how to set up a networked bridge.
This sounds like a great alternative, and it looks like it can even work on a Synology NAS.
I can’t unfortunately. They only feature I use is that fact I can access my ipv6 only server via an ipv4 only network.
Tailscale never sat right with me. The convenience was nice, but - like other VC-funded projects - it followed that ever-familiar pattern of an “easy” service popping up out of nowhere and gaining massive popularity seemingly overnight. 🚩🚩🚩
I can’t say I’m surprised by any of this.
Would you rather a difficult and hard to use program?
Easy to use means people will want to adopt it, and that’s what VC companies want. Nobody wants to pay millions of dollars to make a program that nobody wants to use.
would you rather …
If it means no VC, yes, without a doubt. That’s kind of the point.
My problem isn’t directly with the programs - my problem lies with VC funding in general. Because they will come back for their money, and the project will inevitably enshittify and shove out enthusiasts in the never-ending search for infinite money.
The solution is getting rid of VC bullshit entirely. But we all know that will never happen.
I’m just a rat who got pied pipered AGAIN
Maybe this is a pet peeve but it’s a vpn tool that forces you to log in with an “identity provider”. Yeah, no thanks.
That’s a basic requirement for almost any company. If you’re into hard coding credentials just use wireguard directly.
There are tons and tons of websites where you can create an account with just your email. I wouldn’t expect a third party account to be mandatory. Specially from a product like this one.
I think there’s room in the world for a selfhosted, foss version of their software, even if a little simplified.
I’m not that worried as there are alternatives like Netbird. The underlying tech really isn’t hard to replicate since Wireguard is pretty standard.
I think it would be cool if Tailscale made it into the enterprise arena.
I think it would be cool if Tailscale made it into the enterprise arena.
I think they already have started. Telus is on their list of clients.
Friendly reminder that Tailscale is VC-funded and driving towards IPO
You know what’s to come.
The answer to the question is immediately. Or switch to OpenZiti or Pangolin even.
I spent an afternoon doing precisely that. Bought a domain, a vps, and setup pangolin. Can’t believe how smooth it went.
@cooopsspace pangolin is not a replacement for tailscale/headscale. different usecase imho. @avidamoeba
Ziti isn’t though.
Point is, you know Tailscale will turn to shit the same way all VC stuff does.
Make no mistakes VC aren’t giving money out of the goodness of their heart, they expect a profit.
Tailscale is great. The principle concern to me is that your super easy mesh network depends on Tailscale so if they want it they have control, and if they change their pricing or options you depend on them, and though they can’t see the data you send they can see the topology of your network and where all your computers/devices are.
I use Nebula, which is more work to set up and doesn’t have some of the features, not But if you slap the ‘lighthouse’ (administrating node) on a cheap VPS it works great. And it has some advantages. But Nebula also troubles me: though it’s fully open source and fully in your control, the documentation isn’t great. Instead, you can now get “managed nebula”, which puts you in the same problem as Tailscale: the company sees and controls your network topology. I fear the company (Defined Networking) is trying to push things that way. Even their android app you can’t fully configure unless you use their ‘managed’ service.
For now, Nebula is great, and my preferred mesh network (I looked into all the main ones). And for Tailscale you can run the administration server yourself with Headscale and be fully in your control.
Actually I wish Tailscale the best as a profitable business. They’ve created a fantastic service and system. But for me, I’d rather my network be in my own hands and for my own eyes. And, as is OP’s main point, once they have enough dependent users, the service might turn much worse.
Netbird seemed to go in a similar way, though still good. I want to try zrok next, looks interesting
What do you mean by going in a similar way? Towards an IPO?
Maybe not ipo, but it seemed like it had a strong monetisation push a while ago
Netbird you can still run unlike tailscale with headscale right?
At least hope the backend can be fully ran ?
Yes, and I think it’s the full fat option as well
Nice to hear your experience with Nebula. I considered it when I went with Tailscale years ago. Now you gotta migrate off of lemm.ee as it’s shutting down soon. :D
Yep. It’s on the TODO list…
