Ahhh are we just gonna ignore hamas’s butchery? I’m even more not a psychopath because I oppose that as well as Israel’s. y’all messed up for leaving that out.
It’s a shitty situation. I’m not sure what you do when both sides are committed to the total destruction of the other. The painful truth is someone is going to be the loser
This is like saying “well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?” in 1943.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
For anyone seeing this comment this nunber also a lie. Last proven around 700 or 800 killed ignoring how many killed by Israeli themselves shilling homes where hamas had israeli hostages and cars that trying to get into gaza with hostages.
Let’s compare the numbers, so far a 1200 Israeli’s were murdered on the opening day, and maybe 100 more deaths from combat. Total deaths 1300-ish. In the Gaza strip alone over 62,000-ish people have been killed. Using Israel’s numbers from before the war they estimated maybe 50,000 active Hamas members. It’s orders of magnitude different. Even assuming Hamas died first that still means Israel murdered 12,000 innocent people. Hamas is bad, but the state of Israel is a genocidal monster.
There will always be collateral damage even though it’s very hard to justify and basically impossible to justify when there’s children involved. I will point out that the line between Hamas combatant and “civilian” can be very grey. Palestinians voted for Hamas knowing they had a mandate to destroy Israel. On the oct 7 attacks Hamas were joined by non combatants. Imagine your army marching down your street on their way to kill your neighbour so you put down what you’re doing to join them and kill your neighbour too. This is basically what happened
62,000 is the number of confirmed munitions deaths and it’s been frozen for months. The actual total killed has been estimated in the arena of half a million.
I don’t remember a situation where Jews were firing thousands of rockets into neighbourhoods and killing civilians by the hundreds over a period of decades. I’m sorry these are very different circumstances. I will say the starving of children is absolutely abhorrent and should stop immediately.
They didn’t kill 1200, and even if they had, that number is negligible compared to the amount of Palestinians Israel had already murdered before October 7th, and basically 0 compared to how many they’ve killed since.
You’re just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German “civilians” to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
The place they marched into is where their parents and grandparents lived before Israel ethnically cleansed it, driving them into the ghetto they’re currently in.
There’s a difference in time scale here; there’s still living people who remember the nakba. But indigenous people are absolutely justified in resisting their own oppression. Also the immediate purpose of getting hostages was to get Israel to release hostages it took first.
Yes, Hamas has done terrible things in the past, including the Oct 7 massacre, but that doesn’t excuse Israel’s extreme response.
Both sides are absolutely committed to the total genocide of the other. The difference is that Hamas has no way of carrying out that genocide, so it’s only empty words at this point. OTOH, Israel is fully capable of committing total genocide against the Palestinians, and has finally decided that the time has arrived to do it.
It is impossible for me to SUPPORT one side or another, but it is imperative for me to always condemn genocide, by anyone, against anyone. There is NEVER a situation where genocide is justifiable.
This will eventually backfire against Israel in an extremely horrible way. Every Middle Eastern country wants a nuclear weapon, and a large part of our diplomatic efforts involve keeping nuclear weapons out of their hands. Eventually, someone will get one, and Israel’s enthusiastic genocide will be used as justification for their use.
Thank you for an intelligible response. If we run the hypothetical of what would have happened if Israel allowed hamas to become its own country with its own military, how likely would Hamas have used that power along with help from it’s neighbours like Iran, to develop nuclear weapons or at least a strong conventional army? If there was ever a fork in the road it would be when the Palestinian people elected Hamas knowing their mandate was the total destruction of Israel. They carried out that mandate with everything they were given from Israel and the international community. They used it all to buy rockets and build tunnels for themselves for use for when Israel retaliated. The fact civilians are being killed is part of hamas’s plan to get more international support, no civilians are allowed in the tunnels. Judging by this website it appears to be working well. I really wish we could have seen what happened if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and allowed the Palestinians time to live their lives. There is absolutely blame on both sides.
Ahhh are we just gonna ignore hamas’s butchery? I’m even more not a psychopath because I oppose that as well as Israel’s. y’all messed up for leaving that out.
Gonna state the obvious: Resistance to oppression is justified.
https://jacobin.com/2025/04/warsaw-ghetto-uprising-gaza-genocide
It’s a shitty situation. I’m not sure what you do when both sides are committed to the total destruction of the other. The painful truth is someone is going to be the loser
This is like saying “well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?” in 1943.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
Killing 1200 people is still bad
For anyone seeing this comment this nunber also a lie. Last proven around 700 or 800 killed ignoring how many killed by Israeli themselves shilling homes where hamas had israeli hostages and cars that trying to get into gaza with hostages.
That makes it ok I suppose. And I’m sure Gaza would have been leveled if hamas decided to kill zero too.
Let’s compare the numbers, so far a 1200 Israeli’s were murdered on the opening day, and maybe 100 more deaths from combat. Total deaths 1300-ish. In the Gaza strip alone over 62,000-ish people have been killed. Using Israel’s numbers from before the war they estimated maybe 50,000 active Hamas members. It’s orders of magnitude different. Even assuming Hamas died first that still means Israel murdered 12,000 innocent people. Hamas is bad, but the state of Israel is a genocidal monster.
There will always be collateral damage even though it’s very hard to justify and basically impossible to justify when there’s children involved. I will point out that the line between Hamas combatant and “civilian” can be very grey. Palestinians voted for Hamas knowing they had a mandate to destroy Israel. On the oct 7 attacks Hamas were joined by non combatants. Imagine your army marching down your street on their way to kill your neighbour so you put down what you’re doing to join them and kill your neighbour too. This is basically what happened
62,000 is the number of confirmed munitions deaths and it’s been frozen for months. The actual total killed has been estimated in the arena of half a million.
Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
Don’t Israelies have that right too?
You can’t starve children to death in self defence.
Agree. There’s a lot they are doing that is awful. Both sides are doing awful things is my point
One side is literally thousands of times more awful, let’s deal with that first
Na, I can accept both suck balls
You would have said the same about the holocaust
I don’t remember a situation where Jews were firing thousands of rockets into neighbourhoods and killing civilians by the hundreds over a period of decades. I’m sorry these are very different circumstances. I will say the starving of children is absolutely abhorrent and should stop immediately.
No, occupied people have that right, occupiers do not.
Ah I see so the Indians should slay Americans who are immigrants? And perhaps those immigrants should slay the newer immigrants? /s
They didn’t kill 1200, and even if they had, that number is negligible compared to the amount of Palestinians Israel had already murdered before October 7th, and basically 0 compared to how many they’ve killed since.
You just only care about white people.
Jewish people are white now?
You’re just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German “civilians” to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
Didn’t hamas march into Israel and were joined by non combatants then butcher and kidnap 1200? Seems different
The place they marched into is where their parents and grandparents lived before Israel ethnically cleansed it, driving them into the ghetto they’re currently in.
Still non combatants. Are you saying the indigenous people of your country should be allowed to kill anyone who lives there now?
There’s a difference in time scale here; there’s still living people who remember the nakba. But indigenous people are absolutely justified in resisting their own oppression. Also the immediate purpose of getting hostages was to get Israel to release hostages it took first.
Which side is guilty of genocide? Which side are the invaders and settlers, and which side are the indigenous resistance?
Hamas aren’t fighting Jews in Europe or North America, they are resisting those who have stolen their lands and besieged them.
October 7 wasn’t resisting. It was butchery. And pretending it wasn’t is psychopathy. Israel’s government is very much in the wrong too
Yeah didn’t OP know that it’s illegal to mention Israel’s crimes without also mentioning Hamas in the same sentence?
It’s a paragraph, not a sentence
truly the important thing
Cool.
Yes, Hamas has done terrible things in the past, including the Oct 7 massacre, but that doesn’t excuse Israel’s extreme response.
Both sides are absolutely committed to the total genocide of the other. The difference is that Hamas has no way of carrying out that genocide, so it’s only empty words at this point. OTOH, Israel is fully capable of committing total genocide against the Palestinians, and has finally decided that the time has arrived to do it.
It is impossible for me to SUPPORT one side or another, but it is imperative for me to always condemn genocide, by anyone, against anyone. There is NEVER a situation where genocide is justifiable.
This will eventually backfire against Israel in an extremely horrible way. Every Middle Eastern country wants a nuclear weapon, and a large part of our diplomatic efforts involve keeping nuclear weapons out of their hands. Eventually, someone will get one, and Israel’s enthusiastic genocide will be used as justification for their use.
Thank you for an intelligible response. If we run the hypothetical of what would have happened if Israel allowed hamas to become its own country with its own military, how likely would Hamas have used that power along with help from it’s neighbours like Iran, to develop nuclear weapons or at least a strong conventional army? If there was ever a fork in the road it would be when the Palestinian people elected Hamas knowing their mandate was the total destruction of Israel. They carried out that mandate with everything they were given from Israel and the international community. They used it all to buy rockets and build tunnels for themselves for use for when Israel retaliated. The fact civilians are being killed is part of hamas’s plan to get more international support, no civilians are allowed in the tunnels. Judging by this website it appears to be working well. I really wish we could have seen what happened if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and allowed the Palestinians time to live their lives. There is absolutely blame on both sides.
You would have "both-sides"ed the Holocaust