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      Apologies for my sarcastic answer, I did actually search for that a little while ago so I do assume most people do know but that’s incorrect. The most useful tool I know of would probably be https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/uyghurs-for-sale-re-education-forced-labour-and-surveillance-beyond-xinjiang/ It wasn’t specific to children but it does show the process and I’d argue can be apply for the different criteria one would want to focus on. It dates back few years ago, when I learned about the problem so there also you might want to prefer a more up to date source.

      Let me know if you are looking for something more precise. I know of few other tools which do help better understand who builds what and how, for electronics but other products too.

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      Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?

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        Satirically pointing out that worrying about electricity usage for model creation is ridiculous.

        It’s already spent. The model exists. It’s probably MORE moral to use it as much as possible to get some positive value out of it. Otherwise it was just wasted.

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          Yes indeed, yet my point is that we keep on training models TODAY so if keep on not caring, then we do postpone the same problem, cf https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17400518

          Basically yes, use trained model today if you want but if we don’t set a trend then despite the undeniable ecological impact, there will be no corrective measure.

          It’s not enough to just say “Oh well, it used a ton of energy. We MUST use it now.”

          Anyway, my overall point was that training takes a ton of energy. I’m not asking your or OP or anyone else NOT to use such models. I’m solely pointing out that doing so without understand the process that lead to such models, including but not limited to energy for training, is naive at best.

          Edit: it’s also important to point out alternatives that are not models, namely there are already plenty of specialized tools that are MORE efficient AND accurate today. So even if the model took a ton of energy to train, in such case it’s still not rational to use it. It’s a sunk cost.

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            How much electricity was wasted for you to post, and us to receive, your human slop