• Dragomus@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    “Universe shaking” is what fits more to the whole disastrous influence and hamfisted policy Kennedy and crew had since episode 7. It just got worse and worse after that, creativity and quality was bled out because certain concepts had to be forcibly injected in the product. And it is clear they can’t leave things alone as they are, everything has to change from the success it was.

    Both the IP and the fanbase were shaken violently by a rabid dog like a small bunny it preyed on.

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      7 months ago

      I’m not very Star Wars litterate and I quite enjoyed the Ahsoka series.

      Could you explain the concepts you mentioned in your post so that I get what is wrong with this series ?

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        7 months ago

        I realise there might be confusion, I meant Episode 7 the movie (The Force Awakens), ever since that management has been molding star wars into what it is not. Even if succesful a show gets twisted into stupidity later on.

        I liked Ahsoka for the attempt it was, though it was badly rushed from the start, and the ending was rushed as well. I feel the show needed at least 2 more episodes to flesh out the path to the ending. Baylan’s story could have used more time, as did Ezra and Sabine meeting, even Thrawn could have used some more spice.

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          7 months ago

          Thanks for the precision, I had read your comment too fast and assumed you were talking about the series.

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        7 months ago

        Ashoka was okay, but to be honest, the light saber battle scenes felt like the camera was WAY to close.

        I couldn’t appreciate the battle choreography because the camera was pointed at whatever facial reaction they made every time their lightsaber got stuck.

        Which also gives the impression you are watching a light saber fight from a keyhole.

        The night sister battle was much better because of the wider camera angle.

        Writing was fine, characters were fine, Thrawn was rushed out a little fast, most of my family didn’t know who he was and it didn’t feel like they had time to process him before he was yanked out of the story again.

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      7 months ago

      What are these ‘certain concepts’ ? I was able to enjoy Andor even though you could call it '“less star wars-ey”. It felt like it had an intersting story to tell and not just trying to fanservice.

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        7 months ago

        “all men are evil and/or incompetent” “Star Wars must get strong female characters” “all existing original characters must be diminished in favor of new ones”

        Add to that plain stupidity and illogical actions are always introduced due to very lousy writing … For example the Armorer from The Mandalorian, all hyped up that she had to go to the legendary forge, only to moments before seeing that forge she “must” go back to the ship in space… It made no sense. Horseback riding and blowing up things on a Star Destroyer’s outer deck while it was in space/outer atmosphere… “Somehow uncle Palpy came back”, and apparently had a cosy family and grandchildren whom he hoped to bounce on his lap one day…

        Andor is almost an exception to the rule, as was Rogue One, I find it refreshing and surprising it knew to evade most outside influence. I would never call either of them less Star Wars, they embody more the spirit that is Star Wars than what was done to Boba Fett, or Obi Wan, both core characters to Star Wars.

        But even Andor was pushing towards incompetent and evil men. And Cassian Andor was changed from what he was portrayed as in Rogue One, a ruthless Rebel assassin/sniper: Show had him almost just wander around and stumble into situations.

        As for Ahsoka, it mostly felt like Star Wars and I liked it for what it was, just rushed… And stupid concepts were introducted later on (like that “jump” that could just have been so much better with just a bit of thought behind it.)

        In closing, I refuse to believe the blame lies just on incompetent writers hired on all those different projects, the decision makers clearly have a hand in releasing the finished products.

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          7 months ago

          while i loved Andor, my main problem was in rogue one cassian heavily implied he had spent his life in the fight (pretty sure he even says something to those words) but then we see 2 years ago he couldn’t have been fucked

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    7 months ago

    Pure teasing is all franchises do now, never any consequence or real movement.

    I’d love to see something actually drastic happen in these shows, Marvel had the snap and have fumbled since.

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      7 months ago

      Disney already botched their attempt to carry the Star Wars franchise forward with the sequel trilogy, so now all they can do is make the OT timeline more and more convoluted.

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        7 months ago

        Absolutely fucked that franchise, it is so boring now. All of Ahsoka was shit, like they literally forgot to put the pay off…but they didn’t that’ll be somewhere else so you have to watch that.

        Group should have stayed gone.

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    7 months ago

    5-8 years ago this would have been fantastic news.

    But Filoni has spiraled into Great Value George Lucas.

    “Act as much like a plank of wood as humanly possible.” direction.

    Write as boring and inconsistent a plot as possible.

    Honestly, everytime I go back and watch ATLA, the first 2-3 episodes are really not that great. And after Filoni left the quality just improved from then on.

    Maybe Filoni + Lucas was some sort of magical fusion greater than the sum of its parts, or maybe it was just luck. Either way, Filoni on his own has become this boring stale potato chip writer and has the direction capability of a carpenter.

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    7 months ago

    Let’s put the guy who made the lowest rated Star Wars show in charge of shepherding the entire franchise!

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      7 months ago

      I wonder if some of the directions made to the show were because of Kennedy. They had this issue with Mando and Fav said he was going to leave if they dont leave him alone.

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      7 months ago

      After hearing Filoni talk so passionately about the original and preques on the Mandalorian S1 behind the scenes, I can think of no better person for the job. The man lives and breathes that universe.

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        7 months ago

        Being a fan boy isn’t always great for producing good content. The problems with recent star wars are way more than some corporate meddling.

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        7 months ago

        I would disagree that most of the live action is related to the animated series. The one most related (Ahsoka) bombed.

        I’d like to know who steered Obi Wan into the rewrite with “baby leia”. Basically turning it into a Mandalorian season one clone. And who fucked up Boba Fett by adding the neon kiddie scooter gang and Mandalorian in the second half. The first half of the season was a beautiful slow burn, but the latter half was horrible.