Dude, you guys don’t give a shit that Myanmar is in a civil war, Sudan is in a civil war, China is ethnically cleansing Uighur Muslims, and that India and Pakistan are in almost-open conflict.
You put the fact that a trump ally in Israel wouldn’t listen to Democrats solely on the shoulders of Biden and Harris while completely not giving a singular fuck about any of those other conflicts.
This is why people like you are the PERFECT definition of slactivists, who are looking for a reason to not get a portion of what you want so you can feel morally superior to others for not participating in democracy.
Dude, you guys don’t give a shit that Myanmar is in a civil war, Sudan is in a civil war, China is ethnically cleansing Uighur Muslims, and that India and Pakistan are in almost-open conflict.
Whataboutism.
Israel wouldn’t listen to Democrats
No. Democratic loyalists are hellbent on rewriting history to erase the truth, and to cover up the fact that the Democratic party were and are active supporters and participants in the Gaza genocide, and that is at least as dangerous as anything MAGA is doing.
This is why people like you are the PERFECT definition of slactivists, who are looking for a reason to not get a portion of what you want so you can feel morally superior to others for not participating in democracy.
This is a completely insane way to describe opposition to genocide.
And the republicans have 70% of their policy be genocide. Not just genocide of the palestinians, but genocide of non-gender conforming people and non-straight people.
It’s like comparing someone who doesn’t care that someone in another country is killing people, with someone who actively wants to kill people in your own back yard, and also doesn’t give a shit that someone is killing people in another country. By not voting for the first person, you’re allowing the second person do to whatever they want.
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Democrats will let palestinians die horribly. That is bad and needs to be adressed.
It’s like comparing someone who doesn’t care that someone in another country is killing people
Edit to add: Democrats will let palestinians die horribly.
See, right here: you’ve collapsed your whole argument by showing that even you aren’t willing to make a lesser argument for the actual democratic party, the one that was an active and willfully participant in genocide. You have to make up a genocide denying set of alternate facts where the democrats were just “not caring that someone in another country is killing people” (which is, again, genocide denialism) in order to present a sugar coated version of the democratic party that is actually palatable.
Democratic loyalists are hellbent on rewriting history to erase the truth, and to cover up the fact that the Democratic party were and are active supporters and participants in the Gaza genocide, and that is at least as dangerous as anything MAGA is doing.
And you keep denying that the republican administration is CURRENTLY actively supporting the genocide, along with imprisoning people in concentration camps. You’re not arguing in good faith, and I’m not wasting any more of my time on you.
Apparently the mods consider it perfectly acceptable for MBech to openly lie about me and directly insult me based on that knowing lie, but will remove my comment if I respond. Why even have rules if the mods are just going to ignore them?
You argue with the intent to win, not discuss. You ignore counterpoints and just restate how your belief is correct. Your point is clear, but you act like no one else’s point has any merit because their “argument immediately fails”
Allowing the current administration to take control, either by voting Trump, third party, or abstaining, allowed the acceleration of the genocide and the cruelty… as well as accelerating the suffering/cruelty of other at-risk populations
But you will pick my argument apart based on how I “argued wrong” and act as if I don’t see your point… while simultaneously ignoring mine and restating yours with more words
It’s divisive and hardlined, and you don’t allow space for discussion with understanding. Your point is clear, is more than meritful, and I agree that the democrats were active participants. My point is that allowing Trump to lead his cult from the Oval Office again, is more damaging than the pushover Democrats. And that damage will be more destructive and harder to repair. And Palestinians still suffer, with even more gusto now, and every avenue to help stop it is being rapidly cut off
Does my point have merit? Is there any middle ground that you can see? Or do you prefer a factioned populace of opinions that stirs divisiveness, and allows a unified fascism to grab more ground… rather than allowing a discussion that may not end in agreement, but may allow a sense of comradery
You argue with the intent to win, not discuss. You ignore counterpoints and just restate how your belief is correct.
No. That’s you.
Your point is clear, but you act like no one else’s point has any merit because their “argument immediately fails”
This is a false assertion, and I don’t know why you put the last bit in quotes.
Allowing the current administration to take control, either by voting Trump, third party, or abstaining, allowed the acceleration of the genocide
No. It didn’t. You were just unwilling to admit the scope of the genocide when it was your team doing it. This why I find these lesser evil arguments unconvincing: because they always come from people who consistently deny the evil of their side.
But you will pick my argument apart based on how I “argued wrong” and act as if I don’t see your point… while simultaneously ignoring mine and restating yours with more words
Again, this is a false assertion, and I don’t know why you put part of it in quotes.
It’s divisive and hardlined, and you don’t allow space for discussion with understanding.
Again, no, that’s you.
Your point is clear, is more than meritful, and I agree that the democrats were active participants.
And yet you seem very unhappy about me disagreeing with the person denying they were active participants.
My point is that allowing Trump to lead his cult from the Oval Office again, is more damaging than the pushover Democrats.
Maybe, but it remains the case that opposition to the democratic party because they are actively genocidal is not just “purity testing”.
Palestinians still suffer, with even more gusto now, and every avenue to help stop it is being rapidly cut off
No. Again: lesser evil arguments are very unconvincing if they come from people who consistently downplay their sides evil.
Does my point have merit? Is there any middle ground that you can see? Or do you prefer a factioned populace of opinions that stirs divisiveness, and allows a unified fascism to grab more ground… rather than allowing a discussion that may not end in agreement, but may allow a sense of comradery
Right back at you, mate. You spent more words attacking me then actually making a point.
Since I am not american I may have missed something; to my knowledge no genocide got stopped or even prevented since trump once again got to power. What is your opinion on this matter?
The 30% is active genocide
Dude, you guys don’t give a shit that Myanmar is in a civil war, Sudan is in a civil war, China is ethnically cleansing Uighur Muslims, and that India and Pakistan are in almost-open conflict.
You put the fact that a trump ally in Israel wouldn’t listen to Democrats solely on the shoulders of Biden and Harris while completely not giving a singular fuck about any of those other conflicts.
This is why people like you are the PERFECT definition of slactivists, who are looking for a reason to not get a portion of what you want so you can feel morally superior to others for not participating in democracy.
Get over yourself.
Whataboutism.
No. Democratic loyalists are hellbent on rewriting history to erase the truth, and to cover up the fact that the Democratic party were and are active supporters and participants in the Gaza genocide, and that is at least as dangerous as anything MAGA is doing.
This is a completely insane way to describe opposition to genocide.
Stop supporting genocide
Hey look, we have a live one!
@mods: censor this🖕
The problem is, the other option is 70% genocide. So by not voting for the 30% genocide, you’re enabling the 70% genocide.
No, I mean the 30% of their policy that we disagree with is their 100% support for genocide.
And the republicans have 70% of their policy be genocide. Not just genocide of the palestinians, but genocide of non-gender conforming people and non-straight people.
It’s like comparing someone who doesn’t care that someone in another country is killing people, with someone who actively wants to kill people in your own back yard, and also doesn’t give a shit that someone is killing people in another country. By not voting for the first person, you’re allowing the second person do to whatever they want.
Edit to add: Democrats will let palestinians die horribly. That is bad and needs to be adressed.
But:
See, right here: you’ve collapsed your whole argument by showing that even you aren’t willing to make a lesser argument for the actual democratic party, the one that was an active and willfully participant in genocide. You have to make up a genocide denying set of alternate facts where the democrats were just “not caring that someone in another country is killing people” (which is, again, genocide denialism) in order to present a sugar coated version of the democratic party that is actually palatable.
Democratic loyalists are hellbent on rewriting history to erase the truth, and to cover up the fact that the Democratic party were and are active supporters and participants in the Gaza genocide, and that is at least as dangerous as anything MAGA is doing.
And you keep denying that the republican administration is CURRENTLY actively supporting the genocide, along with imprisoning people in concentration camps. You’re not arguing in good faith, and I’m not wasting any more of my time on you.
Apparently the mods consider it perfectly acceptable for MBech to openly lie about me and directly insult me based on that knowing lie, but will remove my comment if I respond. Why even have rules if the mods are just going to ignore them?
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It’s still happening though
I never said otherwise.
You didn’t clarify either
Ok. You didn’t clarify that you’re not a child molester either. What’s your point?
You argue with the intent to win, not discuss. You ignore counterpoints and just restate how your belief is correct. Your point is clear, but you act like no one else’s point has any merit because their “argument immediately fails”
Allowing the current administration to take control, either by voting Trump, third party, or abstaining, allowed the acceleration of the genocide and the cruelty… as well as accelerating the suffering/cruelty of other at-risk populations
But you will pick my argument apart based on how I “argued wrong” and act as if I don’t see your point… while simultaneously ignoring mine and restating yours with more words
It’s divisive and hardlined, and you don’t allow space for discussion with understanding. Your point is clear, is more than meritful, and I agree that the democrats were active participants. My point is that allowing Trump to lead his cult from the Oval Office again, is more damaging than the pushover Democrats. And that damage will be more destructive and harder to repair. And Palestinians still suffer, with even more gusto now, and every avenue to help stop it is being rapidly cut off
Does my point have merit? Is there any middle ground that you can see? Or do you prefer a factioned populace of opinions that stirs divisiveness, and allows a unified fascism to grab more ground… rather than allowing a discussion that may not end in agreement, but may allow a sense of comradery
Am I wrong, or are you just right?
No. That’s you.
This is a false assertion, and I don’t know why you put the last bit in quotes.
No. It didn’t. You were just unwilling to admit the scope of the genocide when it was your team doing it. This why I find these lesser evil arguments unconvincing: because they always come from people who consistently deny the evil of their side.
Again, this is a false assertion, and I don’t know why you put part of it in quotes.
Again, no, that’s you.
And yet you seem very unhappy about me disagreeing with the person denying they were active participants.
Maybe, but it remains the case that opposition to the democratic party because they are actively genocidal is not just “purity testing”.
No. Again: lesser evil arguments are very unconvincing if they come from people who consistently downplay their sides evil.
Right back at you, mate. You spent more words attacking me then actually making a point.
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Since I am not american I may have missed something; to my knowledge no genocide got stopped or even prevented since trump once again got to power. What is your opinion on this matter?
My opinion is that doesn’t make opposition to genocide “purity testing”
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