I think I triggered the Lemmy “It’s an enemy! Get him!” machine with careless phrasing of the beginning, so that people took the opposite meaning from it as what I meant to say.
What do you think I am saying, that you are describing as dead wrong?
I don’t think you did. I got your meaning even before you explained everything nicely. It seems more like this topic has attracted attention of the people using “political” in the twisted sense you describe.
I don’t think so, actually. I think they are sincere left-wingers who love nothing more than being hostile to enemies, and once they think they’ve found one, they really don’t want to let go of that classification because being self-righteous about the enemies being bad is a really fun thing. Sometimes they even have to invent new categories of enemies (“he doesn’t want vegan cat food LET’S FUCK HIM UP”) because there is a shortage and that lets them engage in what they like to do, but if they find an actual Republican or something? Boy howdy can they get going.
Honestly, I do see how it doesn’t require some crazy misunderstanding to read what I originally wrote as being pro-Trump. I expected people to see the context and interpret it accordingly, as you did, but apparently not. The sarcasm part was easy to miss, I do think, I guess, if you’re not already looking for it or something.
Whatever. I fixed it to be definitely clear now, my part is done, I wash my hands of it lol.
The thing you’re wrong about is Star Wars not being political in the actual sense of the word. And it was explained to you by other commenters. And since you’re also implying that art being political is somehow bad, you cannot admit it.
Art has always been political and that’s a good thing. Next to everything we see, say or do in our day to day lives is political. People who present themselves as apolitical are being political, because they promote preserving the status quo and not rocking the boat.
Yeah, I get that. I do think that the way this particular word features in one particular type of propaganda structure makes it worthwhile to call out at length and talk about.
Yeah, what could go wrong if we let propaganda, wild misunderstandings and distortions of reality, start to impact the public consciousness and affect people’s decisions or voting decisions or whatever?
When you said that football guy kneeling wasn’t political, I started to seriously question what your motives are. He literally knelt, during the national anthem, in a political protest against police brutality. Politics isn’t capitol hill bullshit. I’m fairly certain that you don’t have a deep enough understanding about politics to come in here and be the arbiter of what is and isn’t political.
While I understand the sentiment of your statement, and I think it was well intentioned, I think you’re wrong
Someone else said it I think better than I could: Colin Kaepernick’s protest was not political, it was ethical.
You and I can disagree about the precise definition of “political” and whether it includes non-partisan activism that is dealing with pure issues of right and wrong. It is fine either way, I was just saying how I see the definition. I led off though by identifying explicitly political actions which are not “political,” by the propaganda definition. Surely we can agree that the “political” definition that doesn’t include those things is a bunch of shit.
I think I triggered the Lemmy “It’s an enemy! Get him!” machine with careless phrasing of the beginning, so that people took the opposite meaning from it as what I meant to say.
What do you think I am saying, that you are describing as dead wrong?
I don’t think you did. I got your meaning even before you explained everything nicely. It seems more like this topic has attracted attention of the people using “political” in the twisted sense you describe.
I don’t think so, actually. I think they are sincere left-wingers who love nothing more than being hostile to enemies, and once they think they’ve found one, they really don’t want to let go of that classification because being self-righteous about the enemies being bad is a really fun thing. Sometimes they even have to invent new categories of enemies (“he doesn’t want vegan cat food LET’S FUCK HIM UP”) because there is a shortage and that lets them engage in what they like to do, but if they find an actual Republican or something? Boy howdy can they get going.
Honestly, I do see how it doesn’t require some crazy misunderstanding to read what I originally wrote as being pro-Trump. I expected people to see the context and interpret it accordingly, as you did, but apparently not. The sarcasm part was easy to miss, I do think, I guess, if you’re not already looking for it or something.
Whatever. I fixed it to be definitely clear now, my part is done, I wash my hands of it lol.
The thing you’re wrong about is Star Wars not being political in the actual sense of the word. And it was explained to you by other commenters. And since you’re also implying that art being political is somehow bad, you cannot admit it.
Art has always been political and that’s a good thing. Next to everything we see, say or do in our day to day lives is political. People who present themselves as apolitical are being political, because they promote preserving the status quo and not rocking the boat.
No, it’s because you are totally wrong about the definition of political. You made it up and spammed a wall of text.
I don’t think anybody got from your comments that you’re pro trump
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Yeah, I get that. I do think that the way this particular word features in one particular type of propaganda structure makes it worthwhile to call out at length and talk about.
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Yeah, what could go wrong if we let propaganda, wild misunderstandings and distortions of reality, start to impact the public consciousness and affect people’s decisions or voting decisions or whatever?
I literally can’t think of a single downside.
When you said that football guy kneeling wasn’t political, I started to seriously question what your motives are. He literally knelt, during the national anthem, in a political protest against police brutality. Politics isn’t capitol hill bullshit. I’m fairly certain that you don’t have a deep enough understanding about politics to come in here and be the arbiter of what is and isn’t political.
While I understand the sentiment of your statement, and I think it was well intentioned, I think you’re wrong
Someone else said it I think better than I could: Colin Kaepernick’s protest was not political, it was ethical.
You and I can disagree about the precise definition of “political” and whether it includes non-partisan activism that is dealing with pure issues of right and wrong. It is fine either way, I was just saying how I see the definition. I led off though by identifying explicitly political actions which are not “political,” by the propaganda definition. Surely we can agree that the “political” definition that doesn’t include those things is a bunch of shit.
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