And? I shouldn’t get a say? Without a say workers deal with being underpaid, and unsafe conditions. Sometimes the federal government helps fix this. But better yet form a strike, use the collective action to get a fairer workplace.
You do get a say in safety, there are very harsh laws if companies get reported not following safety measures. I think everyone is asking for more pay lol, but that has nothing to do with democracy. You only should have a say for so much, there are many things that only those with certain education should have a say. Because again, it’s not a country.
there are many things that only those with certain education should have a say.
The rich are not smarter than us!
asking for more pay lol, but that has nothing to do with democracy
Getting more pay often requires democratic actions. Striking, unionizing. Unions democratize a workplace by providing leverage behind workers concerns.
there are very harsh laws if companies get reported not following safety measures.
You must not be American. From an American perspective, employers are basically lawless.
The eventual theoretical climax being siezing the means of production. Then there is no longer an owner or board of shareholders with structural heirarchical control over what is made, who makes it, and how much they are paid.
You must not be American. From an American perspective, employers are basically lawless.
I can tell that you have never dealt with an OSHA inspection. Like all things government, most of the rules make sense, some of them don’t, and some things should be covered but aren’t. It still breaks my brain that propane gas tank forklifts used indoors are allowed but an audible pneumatic hose leak supposedly isn’t.
I have seen Cleatus scream about how they can’t run their line because they hear a hose leak and use the forklift to drive to the break room. Sigh.
Education does not mean rich. There’s still a workplace hierarchy in socialism, and even communism. Of course America is brought up for no reason lol. You don’t understand what you’re talking about, and that’s not even true.
Someone tells you what to do, and you have to obey or else you lose your housing, healthcare, and other basic necessities.
This is so wrong. You are not entitled to basic necessities. You have to provide them for yourself, that is the natural order. This is what most of humanity did for milenia via subsistence farming and it sucked.
Sooner or later people decided that working in a factory sucked a little less than working in the field. Then more recently, people decided working in an office sucked a little less than working in the factory.
I think they just want to roleplay some ideology that doesn’t actually exist or possibly function. This is another reminder that comment scores have nothing to do with how sane or correct the comment is lol.
Yes, because that’s not what happens lol. You don’t immediately lose those things unless you sit around and do nothing. That’s true of literally everything, even communism.
I hate that all my bills are like forced automation so I can’t plan out when I can pay them, I’m forced to pay them all at the beginning/end of the month - there’s no options to change the date any more and if you call up and ask, they get all weepy and apologize that they can’t offer a different date to pay.
So I’m just forced to let them all go through and then play catch up cause of how I get paid not lining up with the end/start of every month.
Thankfully my job will reimburse me for one of my bills but of course they take fucking forever to process the reimbursement.
You went off into a completely separate topic. Also union fights for workers, but it does not imply a democracy. It just means being able to fight back against exploitation. There will still be a CEO in charge and you’ll have no say.
You are incorrect. I absolutely run my businesses as a dictatorship because I’m the owner. We don’t “vote” on what to do, if you don’t like my ideas you are FIRED. Same goes for my tenants, if you don’t like my rules then get out of my property!!
I dictatorship would mean they’d die if they didn’t do what you liked lol. It’s in a government context, not a contractual obligation. A tennet can find another place to live, and a worker can find another company.
In what world does a dictatorship require everyone else to die if they don’t agree? They have control over the institution, but they don’t have total control over every individual.
You do not know what you are talking about. If you want to run your business as a democracy fine but you won’t be successful. I will continue running mine with an iron fist as a dictatorship.
I just imagine you as like a stiff Japanese business man and you’re constantly holding up a katana, waiting to cut someone’s head off for a petty crime.
That’s not what dictatorship means
Workplaces are structured without democracy by default, and adding democracy can be helpful to workplace problems.
It’s a job, not a country you’re living in.
And? I shouldn’t get a say? Without a say workers deal with being underpaid, and unsafe conditions. Sometimes the federal government helps fix this. But better yet form a strike, use the collective action to get a fairer workplace.
You do get a say in safety, there are very harsh laws if companies get reported not following safety measures. I think everyone is asking for more pay lol, but that has nothing to do with democracy. You only should have a say for so much, there are many things that only those with certain education should have a say. Because again, it’s not a country.
The rich are not smarter than us!
Getting more pay often requires democratic actions. Striking, unionizing. Unions democratize a workplace by providing leverage behind workers concerns.
You must not be American. From an American perspective, employers are basically lawless.
The eventual theoretical climax being siezing the means of production. Then there is no longer an owner or board of shareholders with structural heirarchical control over what is made, who makes it, and how much they are paid.
I can tell that you have never dealt with an OSHA inspection. Like all things government, most of the rules make sense, some of them don’t, and some things should be covered but aren’t. It still breaks my brain that propane gas tank forklifts used indoors are allowed but an audible pneumatic hose leak supposedly isn’t.
I have seen Cleatus scream about how they can’t run their line because they hear a hose leak and use the forklift to drive to the break room. Sigh.
Education does not mean rich. There’s still a workplace hierarchy in socialism, and even communism. Of course America is brought up for no reason lol. You don’t understand what you’re talking about, and that’s not even true.
deleted by creator
This is so wrong. You are not entitled to basic necessities. You have to provide them for yourself, that is the natural order. This is what most of humanity did for milenia via subsistence farming and it sucked.
Sooner or later people decided that working in a factory sucked a little less than working in the field. Then more recently, people decided working in an office sucked a little less than working in the factory.
Employment is not slavery. You can quit anytime.
I think they just want to roleplay some ideology that doesn’t actually exist or possibly function. This is another reminder that comment scores have nothing to do with how sane or correct the comment is lol.
Just because A and B have overlap doesn’t mean A = B. My boss can’t throw me in a jail cell or have me shot.
Yes, because that’s not what happens lol. You don’t immediately lose those things unless you sit around and do nothing. That’s true of literally everything, even communism.
deleted by creator
I hate that all my bills are like forced automation so I can’t plan out when I can pay them, I’m forced to pay them all at the beginning/end of the month - there’s no options to change the date any more and if you call up and ask, they get all weepy and apologize that they can’t offer a different date to pay.
So I’m just forced to let them all go through and then play catch up cause of how I get paid not lining up with the end/start of every month.
Thankfully my job will reimburse me for one of my bills but of course they take fucking forever to process the reimbursement.
Have you tried getting them move to a strange dat, like the 14th? Might work.
Nah, they won’t do it anymore.
You went off into a completely separate topic. Also union fights for workers, but it does not imply a democracy. It just means being able to fight back against exploitation. There will still be a CEO in charge and you’ll have no say.
Sorry.
Directorship*
Functionally, they are the same.
deleted by creator
I would starve without a job. (without welfare, in some countries, this is not enough)
There is an order of magnitude here. In a way, I’m being hyperbolic. But I do want to highlight the similarity between the two.
deleted by creator
What job (aka enslavement apparently)do you have irl
Factory worker.
Definitely not a rollform operator if that is the case. Machine builder?
So how would a factory line work without leadership lol
Voting for a leader democratically does not mean that there is no leader.
That makes zero sense in a workplace context
Really? What’s wrong with someone having a say in who their boss is?
I have my ideas.
What’s your job?
Search for a new job since your current one is treating you terribly
You are incorrect. I absolutely run my businesses as a dictatorship because I’m the owner. We don’t “vote” on what to do, if you don’t like my ideas you are FIRED. Same goes for my tenants, if you don’t like my rules then get out of my property!!
I dictatorship would mean they’d die if they didn’t do what you liked lol. It’s in a government context, not a contractual obligation. A tennet can find another place to live, and a worker can find another company.
In what world does a dictatorship require everyone else to die if they don’t agree? They have control over the institution, but they don’t have total control over every individual.
You do not know what you are talking about. If you want to run your business as a democracy fine but you won’t be successful. I will continue running mine with an iron fist as a dictatorship.
Why do you talk like you’re in a kung fu movie?
It’s literally the definition, you are just objectively wrong
https://www.britannica.com/topic/dictatorship
You are wrong, and stop telling me how to run my business
god forbid someone steal a packet of soy sauce.
Stealing anything from a place of business is unforgivable
I just imagine you as like a stiff Japanese business man and you’re constantly holding up a katana, waiting to cut someone’s head off for a petty crime.