• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Frankly, I’m a coward. There’s very little I’d be willing to die for and democracy certainly isn’t one of those things.

    • Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      10 months ago

      I’m sure plenty of Ukrainians thought the same pre invasion. Seen a fair few IT technicians flying fpv drones on the frontline

      Plus, just working in a munitions factory makes you a target, and Russia has been indiscriminate in their targeting the civilian population

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          10 months ago

          I served in the military and qualified as an expert marksman having never handled a firearm prior, and I wouldn’t honestly pick up a gun to kill anyone either. I’m also a coward. I found a role that would ensure I was as safe as possible at all times, cuz I’m a pacifist, but wanted college paid for. I’d have had to explicitly request to be put in danger, which I did not do.

          The good news is you don’t have to be willing to shoot/kill anyone to offer tangible support if shit hits the fan :)

          (I actively discourage people from joining the military now, though… I grew up and learned what was really going on, and I absolutely don’t support it)

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        10 months ago

        I feel like most ukrainians aren’t fighting for democracy. They’re kleptocracy is marginally better than the one in Russia, but not worth dying over. Their fighting either for nationalism and hatred of Russian imperialism that’s oppressed them for centuries, or personal honor and fear of being called a coward by their wider social group.

        In general nationalism and personal honor are the main reasons people will voluntarily sign up, outside of personal gain and mercenaries. In the west that nationalism gets tied up with ideas of democracy, but if a dictatorship took over the u.s. I doubt there’d be much of a difference in volunteers for the next war.