• Tedesche@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    I told a former friend of mine that I’d lost so much respect for her judgment of character that I couldn’t continue pretending not to look down on her and that it would be best if we stopped hanging out together.

    No regrets.

    • Master@lemm.ee
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      1 month ago

      I’ve cut all family and friends who voted for trump from my life.

      No regrets.

    • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlOP
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      1 month ago

      I’m not having that argument again. I understand the position that they were equally bad, and I support the rights of folks who couldn’t vote for either of them because of that. But while I do acknowledge that US imperialism is not just a meme, I had to work with what I was given, and that was bad or less bad. I chose less bad.

      I respect that others saw it differently and that’s all I have to say on the matter.

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        I understand the position that they were equally bad

        I don’t. Every single day proves that over and over again. I understand being an idealistic young person with no practical experience, but in those situations the intelligent thing to do is to listen to people and not triple-down on the GRU playbook.

        Those who are neither idealistic or young, who couldn’t be arsed to do the one thing that would have helped defeat fascism need to understand what a fuckup they are.

    • reiterationstation@lemm.ee
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      Go on bb. Say it with your whole chest. These ellipsis look bad on you. You believe it, say it. Tell us how fascists and liberals are the exact same thing. Go on. We are waiting.

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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        Fascists and liberals are not the exact same thing. Liberals prefer to implement the final solution on a slightly slower timetable and in stages, while fascists are more inclined to just cut loose all undesirables as fast as possible.

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          IMHO, Liberals (in the American sense, rather than the pure ideology) change the rules to reduce and even remove viable choices, whilst Fascists just directly do the chosing for you.

          In other words, Liberals take the posh, pressure-based path to constrain others so that they ultimatelly do what’s best for the Liberal leadership (or suffer if they don’t), whilst Fascists just use Force directly or at best with a thin layer of social acceptability in the form of Laws that make your not doing what they want illegal.

          Because of the far more covert nature of the way Liberals force choices on others and the many layers than compose the system they use to do it, unlike with the straightforward lasso-on-the-neck of Fascists many people literally can’t see that they’re being corralled by Liberals into specific choices and think that with Liberals they’re free.

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        They’re very different.

        There’s only about 3k billionaires on Earth. There’s only about 30k 100 million plus inaires on Earth.

        These are sociopaths sucking humanity dry and ending the habitability of this planet permanently for ego, short term profit, and mega yachts.

        Focus your ire on them. Focus your antagonism on them. Not their poor, deluded, propandized, gullible useful idiots that diefy them. Pity them.

        The true enemies that must be dealt with only number in the hundreds of thousands relative to our 300 million. We know where to find them. They suck each other off in places like Wall Street and Malibu, orchestrating new and interesting ways to murder us to goose quarterly profits.

  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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    Unpopular opinion: if you base your arguments in political debates around morals, you’ll only be able to convince people who share your moral standpoint.

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    The correct way is to judge people for what they activelly support, which also means not slimly implying that by not supporting one side people implicitly support the other - it’s a perfectly valid position to not like any of the choices one has been presented with and thus chosing “None of the above” rather than A or B.

    “If you’re not with us you’re against us” is just about the most typically Fascist (and, more in general, authoritarian) argument there is, so those doing it don’t be surprised if, even if you’re wearing a different mask than outright-Fascist and claiming you have the moral high ground, you’re judged as somebody who thinks along the same lines as Fascists rather than along Democratic or Humanitarian lines.

    Mind you, the quoted post is impeccably fair in that sense, but here in Lemmy there’s a lot of people who, unlike that quote, stray beyond blaming people for their choices into parroting authoritarian logic that blames people for non-choices.

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      Haha wait a minute.

      Are you… Are you trying to justify your Uncommitted BoTh SiDeS bullshit?

      • As though drinking the lesser poison is as bad as drinking the greater poison.
      • As though this not only means you’re opting for this, but you’re contributing to the current that forces others to do the same by enabling the greater poison?
      • As though just because you weren’t necessarily the person to rat out Anne Frank, you also didn’t lift finger to resist the Nazi oppression that makes one superior? Looking the other way and sitting on the couch?

      Because if this is the case, then yes, there are people like me who utilize logic & ethics to demonstrate that said people are, indeed, a part of the problem and enabling of fascism.