you still aren’t making any actual proposals for what they should be doing
Because what you’re looking for is some kind of policy proposal or voting strategy to stop a fascist movement, and I’m telling you that we’re beyond that.
Democrats should be physically impeding the dismantling of our institutions - that means disrupting the normal proceedings of congress and the legislature in order to raise the alarm, or at the very least not punishing the members of the party who are, and not breaking the line to side with the republicans when it actually matters (Schumer is the fucking minority leader, not some random spoiler).
When the strategy of the minority leader of the senate is to cooperate with the republicans in tearing apart the government in the hopes that voters blame them for a dip in the stock market 2 years from now and vote them out, it tells their constituents that they don’t really believe we’re witnessing the end of democracy. One of the top 2028 presidential contenders welcomed a white nationalist onto his podcast to talk about the ‘real concerns’ with transgender participation in sports. The DNC chair is out in public soliciting donations from “the good billionaires” while the base is setting records rallying against oligarchy.
The democratic party would rather collaborate with the reactionaries in the conservative party than recon with the growing populism in their own base, and that’s the entire-fucking point.
Yes, when the entire party of over 150 fails to represent the people who elected them because of 10 traitors then that counts as a L for the whole party.
They need to stop letting Republicans into the Democratic party if they want cohesion.
So why have a democratic party if they are randomly going to break ranks to enable fascism.
Literally any time a bill comes along that will make regular people’s lives worse for the rich to benefit conveniently there’s always enough dem traitors to get it passed.
The party that’s mostly against fascism still is a party that’s is not against fascism. It’s against it in optics only, when at critical juncture after juncture it makes the decisions that enable or even help the fascists. There were so many things these dumb fucks could have done. Some people even from the party itself were screaming the solutions. At this point the only hope I see is the Bernie/AOC program. The Democratic party, as currently formulated, governed and funded has demonstrated that it can’t resist fascism. You have to do anything in your power to elect enough socialist independent reps that vote with Bernie/AOC’s agenda and hold the balance of power. And organize unions. Otherwise the Democrats will win again by default, do nothing material of substance and pave the way for the next wave of fascism to sweep power.
You should look upcheck the study Bernie conducted mid last year. It tested socialist policies without calling them such. If I remember correctly most were popular with the significant majorities of both Republicans and Democrats. Socialist ideas are popular in the US. People very much support Bernie and AOC’s agenda which is full of socialist policies. E.g. universal healthcare, free education.
Yes fascism has already won, we’re at the tip of a trend that started in the 80s. Well actually earlier but the 80s present a recognizable acceleration point. We (not just the US) need to reverse the trend, not change how steep it is for a time.
A Nazi sit down at a table with 10 others, and nobody leaves. How many Nazis are now sat at the table?
The Democrats should whip their members harder instead of giving members ‘outs’ that makes the party as whole look uncommitted - Pelosi managed to do it for years, even with those ‘pesky progressives’.
Use the billion dollars of DNC leverage and lean on them - just like Elon’s unlimited money has openly threatened to primary anyone “disloyal” on the right.
Hardly. How about letting ‘moderate’ reactionaries stay in your club?
Manchin wasn’t ejected from the caucus despite his numerous blocking votes and hostage holding, but they did cut off party fund disbursements
. Never kicked out of the party, despite him leaning into Trump.
I’m not the person you were talking with, I’m someone random passing through the thread. I’m just so fucking sick of the republicans being the “make shit worse party” and the democrats being the “do nothing” party and never having fucking anything improve. I’m so fucking sick of voting for people who aren’t going to help people. I’m sick of nothing being done. And, what I’m REALLY REALLY FUCKING SICK OF IS PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM DOING NOTHING TO HELP. I’m not a fucking politician, I’m a regular dickwad on the internet like anyone else, I don’t know what fucking specific actions they should be taking, I don’t know how to improve things, THAT’S WHAT WE FUCKING HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES FOR.
What makes it fucking worse. I donated to bernie in 2016. Since then, my contact info has been spread like an STD and I get all these fucking fundraising emails, texts, and calls, from these fucking democrat assholes. “Give me money so I can fix things :)” Like my FUCKING god we had a democrat president, and majority in the senate and house and still nothing was fucking done to improve things. For the love of GOD stop begging me for money so you can sit on your goddamn asses and do nothing.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to blow up at you, I hope you can understand my fucking frustration.
I love how, in the same thread, you credit Republican opposition with stopping the Democratic agenda and then claim that Democrats are powerless to do the same.
Why are they powerless?
***Because they’re voting with Republicans and helping them steamroll us when they get a chance to withhold their votes and draw concessions or filibuster, which yes, is something they deserve full credit for doing as a party. ***
Because Republicans vote in lockstep but Democrats don’t.
The point that (I think) they’re trying to make is that the democrats always have N+1 politicians who will be the ratfuckers of the party; your Machin, Sinema, Lieberman, etc. No matter how the numbers work out, there always seems to be juuuuust enough ratfuckers in the party that the big legislations never get through without getting the back broken for capital.
As a lurker who ends up rubbing shoulders with right wing culture spaces, I have to disagree. The right has heresy tests for their politicians, the left tests for their voters. However the left expects competency in government (because they actually believe in it) and will sacrifice ideals or policies, while the right can afford the luxury of rejecting good governance because they’re expressly transactional when it comes to politics.
Rightwing voters are willing to cut off their nose in spite and become single issue voters - and it works for them. Pro-life or you’re dead to them. Pro-gun or you’re dead to them. Non-Christian? Dead. They get the political rhetoric and efforts they demand, which has left them severely ripe for opportunist political grifters who say whatever gets them access power. Like the MAGAs who build nothing, but hand out bones to voting blocs. Abortion overturned. No new gun laws. Ten Commandments in school and state houses. “Hurting the right people”. Migrants deported. Culture wars.
Or in the more extreme examples, they’ll just outright co-opt the structures of power and governance to fit the voters whims. It’s why we have the political maximalist lobbying NRA of today, instead of the humbler sportsman’s advocacy group of yesteryear. Or Trump.
I was under the impression that federal Republicans were voting in lockstep due to threats from Elon Musk to primary them if they don’t. Possibly interpretable as extortion.
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Because what you’re looking for is some kind of policy proposal or voting strategy to stop a fascist movement, and I’m telling you that we’re beyond that.
Democrats should be physically impeding the dismantling of our institutions - that means disrupting the normal proceedings of congress and the legislature in order to raise the alarm, or at the very least not punishing the members of the party who are, and not breaking the line to side with the republicans when it actually matters (Schumer is the fucking minority leader, not some random spoiler).
When the strategy of the minority leader of the senate is to cooperate with the republicans in tearing apart the government in the hopes that voters blame them for a dip in the stock market 2 years from now and vote them out, it tells their constituents that they don’t really believe we’re witnessing the end of democracy. One of the top 2028 presidential contenders welcomed a white nationalist onto his podcast to talk about the ‘real concerns’ with transgender participation in sports. The DNC chair is out in public soliciting donations from “the good billionaires” while the base is setting records rallying against oligarchy.
The democratic party would rather collaborate with the reactionaries in the conservative party than recon with the growing populism in their own base, and that’s the entire-fucking point.
Yes, when the entire party of over 150 fails to represent the people who elected them because of 10 traitors then that counts as a L for the whole party.
They need to stop letting Republicans into the Democratic party if they want cohesion.
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So why have a democratic party if they are randomly going to break ranks to enable fascism.
Literally any time a bill comes along that will make regular people’s lives worse for the rich to benefit conveniently there’s always enough dem traitors to get it passed.
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The party that’s mostly against fascism still is a party that’s is not against fascism. It’s against it in optics only, when at critical juncture after juncture it makes the decisions that enable or even help the fascists. There were so many things these dumb fucks could have done. Some people even from the party itself were screaming the solutions. At this point the only hope I see is the Bernie/AOC program. The Democratic party, as currently formulated, governed and funded has demonstrated that it can’t resist fascism. You have to do anything in your power to elect enough socialist independent reps that vote with Bernie/AOC’s agenda and hold the balance of power. And organize unions. Otherwise the Democrats will win again by default, do nothing material of substance and pave the way for the next wave of fascism to sweep power.
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Not hundreds, tens would likely be enough.
You should
look upcheck the study Bernie conducted mid last year. It tested socialist policies without calling them such. If I remember correctly most were popular with the significant majorities of both Republicans and Democrats. Socialist ideas are popular in the US. People very much support Bernie and AOC’s agenda which is full of socialist policies. E.g. universal healthcare, free education.Yes fascism has already won, we’re at the tip of a trend that started in the 80s. Well actually earlier but the 80s present a recognizable acceleration point. We (not just the US) need to reverse the trend, not change how steep it is for a time.
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A Nazi sit down at a table with 10 others, and nobody leaves. How many Nazis are now sat at the table?
The Democrats should whip their members harder instead of giving members ‘outs’ that makes the party as whole look uncommitted - Pelosi managed to do it for years, even with those ‘pesky progressives’.
Use the billion dollars of DNC leverage and lean on them - just like Elon’s unlimited money has openly threatened to primary anyone “disloyal” on the right.
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Hardly. How about letting ‘moderate’ reactionaries stay in your club?
Manchin wasn’t ejected from the caucus despite his numerous blocking votes and hostage holding, but they did cut off party fund disbursements . Never kicked out of the party, despite him leaning into Trump.
Sinema wasn’t ejected, but they did cut her off party funds after 2019. But never threw her out of the party either.
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I KNOW! Why don’t they hold up stupid little signs? That’ll help!
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I’m not the person you were talking with, I’m someone random passing through the thread. I’m just so fucking sick of the republicans being the “make shit worse party” and the democrats being the “do nothing” party and never having fucking anything improve. I’m so fucking sick of voting for people who aren’t going to help people. I’m sick of nothing being done. And, what I’m REALLY REALLY FUCKING SICK OF IS PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM DOING NOTHING TO HELP. I’m not a fucking politician, I’m a regular dickwad on the internet like anyone else, I don’t know what fucking specific actions they should be taking, I don’t know how to improve things, THAT’S WHAT WE FUCKING HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES FOR.
What makes it fucking worse. I donated to bernie in 2016. Since then, my contact info has been spread like an STD and I get all these fucking fundraising emails, texts, and calls, from these fucking democrat assholes. “Give me money so I can fix things :)” Like my FUCKING god we had a democrat president, and majority in the senate and house and still nothing was fucking done to improve things. For the love of GOD stop begging me for money so you can sit on your goddamn asses and do nothing.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to blow up at you, I hope you can understand my fucking frustration.
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I love how, in the same thread, you credit Republican opposition with stopping the Democratic agenda and then claim that Democrats are powerless to do the same.
Why are they powerless?
***Because they’re voting with Republicans and helping them steamroll us when they get a chance to withhold their votes and draw concessions or filibuster, which yes, is something they deserve full credit for doing as a party. ***
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The point that (I think) they’re trying to make is that the democrats always have N+1 politicians who will be the ratfuckers of the party; your Machin, Sinema, Lieberman, etc. No matter how the numbers work out, there always seems to be juuuuust enough ratfuckers in the party that the big legislations never get through without getting the back broken for capital.
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As a lurker who ends up rubbing shoulders with right wing culture spaces, I have to disagree. The right has heresy tests for their politicians, the left tests for their voters. However the left expects competency in government (because they actually believe in it) and will sacrifice ideals or policies, while the right can afford the luxury of rejecting good governance because they’re expressly transactional when it comes to politics.
Rightwing voters are willing to cut off their nose in spite and become single issue voters - and it works for them. Pro-life or you’re dead to them. Pro-gun or you’re dead to them. Non-Christian? Dead. They get the political rhetoric and efforts they demand, which has left them severely ripe for opportunist political grifters who say whatever gets them access power. Like the MAGAs who build nothing, but hand out bones to voting blocs. Abortion overturned. No new gun laws. Ten Commandments in school and state houses. “Hurting the right people”. Migrants deported. Culture wars.
Or in the more extreme examples, they’ll just outright co-opt the structures of power and governance to fit the voters whims. It’s why we have the political maximalist lobbying NRA of today, instead of the humbler sportsman’s advocacy group of yesteryear. Or Trump.
I was under the impression that federal Republicans were voting in lockstep due to threats from Elon Musk to primary them if they don’t. Possibly interpretable as extortion.
I did, however.
How in the flying fuck are you defending this bullshit adherence to fascism? Please it is beyond pathetic.
Who needs enemy’s with friends like those 10…
Let me try it this way.
If those 10 can undo the actions of the rest, did they really do anything?
Exactly.