Way to go, Florida man

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    8 days ago

    Because if they really were Palestinians, obviously that would’ve been perfectly A-OK?

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    I assume if he had shot Palestinians like he thought he did, DeSantis would have given him some sort of award.

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    at the core of every genocide is some sickeningly arbitrary difference that not even the people enacting the genocide can fully discern. Palestinians are indigenous to the Levant, just like Jews were. they just survived the ethnic cleansing enacted by the romans differently. similarly by both russia, and many Ukrainians telling of the origins of the rus, they originated from Kyiv. back in the 1930s and 40s, the Germans had to invent more and more arbitrary ways to identify Jews because since resettlement in Galitsye (today divided between Germany, Chzechia, Poland, russia, and Ukraine) Jews integrated themselves into the indigenous population (in large part thanks to unprecedented religious tolerance on behalf of the people of Galitsye and later Poland) meaning telling who was and wasn’t Jewish was hard to impossible for the German officers responsible for deciding who to kill.

    my point is this: arbitrarily killing Palestinians is antisemitic. it runs even a little deeper than simply “Palestinians are semitic, just like me” given that their cultural traditions are shared. it gets into violence against my sister is violence against me. harm against Palestinians is harm against Jews. once there are no more identifiably Palestinian people left to kill, next will come the Jews who aren’t identifiably non-Palestinian enough. and who decides who that is? where does the killing stop?

    the best way to avoid being killed in a genocide is to prevent genocide from happening. the second best way is to bring ongoing genocides to an end. unfortunately, it is falling to us, the populace, to defend ourselves from the military apparatus of the imperial powers of the globe. a great battle is about to unfold between the forces of good, evil, and indifference, just as it has approximately every 80 years throughout history. part of our aim in thi; battle is to preserve our message that we were here. that there was good in the world even at its worst.

    i hope you’ve read a diary of a young girl by anne frank, and understand its gravity. it breaks my heart that a 13 year old saw all of what i’m seeing and chose to make her death meaningful as a story that passes this tale of resistance and kindness in the face of atrocity to me, but the point is that her voice made it through. so please, don’t put her pain to waste. start taking actions you think 80 years from now someone who learns what you did during this time will be proud of, and find inspiring. even if it’s something as simple as documenting the things you see, or growing food to share with your neighbors.

    do what our ancestors did when faced with these times, plant trees the shade of which your physical body will never rest under

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      Careful. Zionists get very sad if you mention that Arabs are Semites.

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      Palestinians is antisemitic. it runs even a little deeper than simply “Palestinians are semitic

      Antisemitism only means hatred of Jews and nothing else. Trying to water the term down like you’re doing is extremely bad faith and usually done to give cover to antisemites.

      That said, yes, many Palestinians have Jewish ancestors.

      once there are no more identifiably Palestinian people left to kill, next will come the Jews

      That’s some shizo level rambling.

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      Palestinians is antisemitic. it runs even a little deeper than simply “Palestinians are semitic

      Antisemitism only means hatred of Jews and nothing else. Trying to water the term down like you’re doing is extremely bad faith and usually done to give cover to antisemites.

      That said, yes, many Palestinians have Jewish ancestors.

      once there are no more identifiably Palestinian people left to kill, next will come the Jews

      That’s some shizo level rambling.

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        Don’t tell me how to interface with hatred against my Jewish identity that I have to face every day. Don’t tell me to look at the hate perpetrated in my name against my sisters and not to speak against it, especially when the hatred is deranged and twisted and harms me as well. You’re welcome to disagree with me that our two people’s are intrinsically linked to each other by history and culture, which apparently you do, but this is not a bad faith argument. This is something I believe with my entire heart. Jews and Palestinians are one people. Zionism is an act of hate against both.

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          You’re welcome to disagree with me that our two people’s are intrinsically linked to each other by history and culture

          I agree with that part.

          Your abuse of the word antisemitism is what I take issue with.

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        You gonna tell us you can’t be a Nazi unless you’re in 1940’s Germany sieg heiling to Hitler next? lol

        Fucking dumb fuck pedants.

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          Isn’t it funny what end of this quote Israel is on these days

          Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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    Anyone left at the justice department for those hate crime charges? Seems like an open and shut case

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    To be fair, it’s not that easy to distinguish them just by looks.

    (I would att a /s but somehow it doesn’t fit because it’s true)

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      Distinguish whom? Zios come from all over the planet to steal land and commit genocide. Most of them look nothing at all like palestinians.

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        Have you ever seen Israelis and actual Palestinians? Palestinians are pretty diverse themselves regarding skin color and looks. There are Palestinians with African features and dark skin, as well as ones with red hair and blue eyes. The region at the crossroads between Africa and Asia has always had different kinds of people moving there.

        More than half of Jewish Israelis have ancestors who were expelled from Muslim and Arab countries. They don’t typically look like Northern Europeans, but more like Arabs.

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            Originally, yes the Ashkenazi’s were the big Zionists. Modern Zionism is an Ashkenazi invention after all.

            However, after generations of Ashkenazi’s treating the local Mizrahi’s as second class citizens, the Mizrahi’s have become the most rabid Zionists. Its a similar dynamic to how second class whites become the most racist.

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    I love that, no matter who we elect, there’s never any reasonable movement on gun control.

    (That’s sarcasm. I don’t love it.)

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      Biden was pretty shit on police accountability and gun control, but they did implement universal background checks for gun sales. Conversely, the previous Trump administration removed a portion of background checks for mental instability/incompetence.

      So there is a pretty large measurable difference between who we elect on gun control.

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        I’ve been reading about dems making progress on “gun control” through the minimal “background checks” path since Clinton’s brady bill passed in 1993 and supposedly gave us the same exact thing. But somehow here we are 32 years later celebrating it like its new and was ever going to make any dent in the real problem.

        Harris was talking lovingly about her glock on the campaign trail. What a fine example for children everywhere. The centrists have never led the party anywhere in terms of gun control, and never will. They dont care to solve the problem.

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      They literally did. One of the victims allegedly posted on Instagram some pics from the aftermath of the shooting and wrote “Death to Arabs” in Hebrew. Imagine the uproar and condemnation if someone posts the same slogan for them?