Americans: WE DON’T WANT ID! IT GIVES THE GOVERNMENT TOO MUCH POWER!!
Also Americans:
Don’t get it twisted, we don’t want to have to use the stupid social security card as ID, either. As a matter of fact, if you have one that’s old enough it says “For Social Security and Tax Purposes – Not For Identification” right on it.
…But every organization in the country, including the government, now uses your SSN and SSN card as a form of identification anyway, and will randomly demand to see the card itself as “proof.”
Canada went the opposite direction - it is now impossible to get an SIN (SSN equivalent), and if you forget it, you have to go to a government office for them to print out a sheet on standard letter sized paper that clearly states to memorise and destroy it.
But then it appears on all my tax documents that I’m supposed to keep.
the instruction to destroy it is so people cannot demand it as identification like US does.
Shh, those are supposed to be stored in a safe/safety deposit box, only to be looked at when verifying your identity with the government.
I mean this system makes so much more sense imho.
A random string of 9 numbers is hardly ID.
Logic doesn’t matter here. The guy you’re responding to just wants to grab at low hanging fruit as a “zing” to Americans.
Come on you can do better.
Yeah but a lot of those americans who don’t want a simple national ID system are idiots. Some of them are delusional “it’s a sign of the beast!!!” people who should be put in a camp.
…And possibly appropriately, those types of people will take your national ID system precisely as the overture to putting them in said camp in the first place.
For the record I’m not against a universal ID, but given that your de facto ID is your driver’s license and that’s explicitly handled by the states anyhow, I find any actual implementation unlikely.
Furthermore, you can also get a US passport card which acts as a government backed nationwide ID already.
My mom laminated both mine and my sister‘s card back in the 80s and we’ve never had any issues with it at all. I opened my first bank account after high school the bank teller lady looked at it and said “wow that is clever!”
My old card was laminated, that and a birth certificate. Dmv refused to take either because of the lamination.
Been there, done that (not American, similar scenario, different card). I felt the person at the counter wasn’t in mood and was trying to make my day worse. Just saying “You legally have to” and if not they won’t budget, “I would like to speak with your superior”.
Does the lamination make it impossible to see the watermarks? Because that seems like a legit reason to reject them. Even if the system is flawed with this restriction 🙈
My first ss card was very basic. Only a background image all clearly visible and it was falling apart until I laminated it.
The birth certificate clearly showed the seal and was still raised even with the limainate sheet over.
It certainly didn’t hide or obscure anything.
And is also required to be sent to Banks and other organizations that are historically terrible at cybersecurity.
I’ve had mine stored safely in an old wallet in a random drawer somewhere in my house for… My entire life at this point.
I have only once ever had to present my card. Sits in a bankers box in storage somewhere, I think?
Social security numbers should be PGP public keys. The government can host a key server, and that way anyone can generate, upload, or change keys easily.
Plus, it would mean everyone has to learn how to use pgp crypto, which would mean we might actually be able to make the web of trust a reality. 🙂
and then the next carrington event happens and everyone is FUCKED
When that happens, our social security cards are going to be the least of our concerns.
You’ve made a classic blunder, OP. I have your name and social security number now!
I keep mine in a plastic sandwich bag
Just put it in a baseball/pokemon card case. Easy enough to get out.
You can get a replacement card pretty easily. You just can’t get a replacement too many times (I think its 4 or 5) before they become annoying about it.
I looked it up, recently; supposedly only 3 replacement requests in a year and only allowed 10 in your entire lifetime.
What happens if you use up all 10? They kick you out?
Haha; l was wondering the same thing. I’m still on my original card so I’m just opting to, hopefully, never find out.
There you go, that was it! My brain landed somewhere in the middle.
Just replaced mine not that long ago (it had basically fallen apart in the folder it was in).
Now you need to show up in person to an office, and depending on where you are and how many staff got cut that can be difficult.
You can still do it online.
I can’t remember the last time I had to show my card. Usually things have multiple options. Like I9 forms take the social security card, birth certificate, List C docs on https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/form-i-9-acceptable-documents
Or places will cross reference with the IRS for certain loans instead of seeing the card since the number is needed and verified through that.
If you memorize your number or at least the last 4 digits, you don’t need to reference it either.
Hopefully things have moved on from the 90s when my state university used it as our student ID number and printed it on the front beside our picture. So we had to show it to people a lot.
Yes, actually, you should lock it up in a safe deposit box or a fire safe.
And it can be protected by a card sleeve like people use for trading/sports cards, this way it’s not a permanent protection.
Learn from my mistake: fire safes can become humid mold machines. Air them out occasionally and use dessicants. I lost a passport that way. It made my throat close up to just handle it.
Well, I don’t tend to keep my paperwork moist.
Maybe don’t put tacos in there next time
It doesn’t matter if it feels moist, it can have residual humidity in it. Maybe you live in a drier area and haven’t had that problem.
I live in the Pacific Northwest, which I lovingly describe as constantly moist. This is not a dry area.
If your humidity is high enough for mold to start growing spontaneously, paper is going to feel damp. Maybe you should try living indoors, or do away with the pools of stagnant water you leave around. You should be able to notice the difference in how paper feels.
My understanding is that it’s printed on such flimsy paper as a sort of identity loss protection. If you lose it somewhere it’ll degrade quickly to the point it’s unusable, hopefully before someone else tries to use it. The downside is, of course, that if you don’t protect it with supreme care, it will also degrade to the point it’s unusable.
My mom laminated mine. Never had an issue.
Maybe it was cold lamination? Honestly I didn’t know you couldn’t laminate a social security card.
You can’t, but since you (almost) never need the physical card, you could go a long time without anyone caring. It’s possible that if some government agency needs to see it, they may get grumpy and not accept a laminated card. I know it’s happened to some people with my employer.
immigrant here. I had to show it a few times for really minor stuff like booking my driving test.
I took a wry pleasure in saying, “are you sure? It literally says right on it not to show you.” But of course would quickly cave cuz you know I need to have a driving license.
I’m in my 40’s and the only thing I can remember is a couple of times getting the stink eye and a comment or two. Everyone has accepted it fine.
Yeah, I think it is cold. Basically two clear stickers you carefully apply then cut it out.
The reason given is that it might interfere with the “security features”. Honestly, if you use a matte, high quality lamination pouch, it will most likely work just fine and you won’t ever have issues.
heh, mine was done in probably 1987 with a shiny, poor-quality one :)
It has security features? It looks like it would be better suited for saying Admit One to the local county fair
I think my Dad has mine filed in a drawer somewhere. I’ve literally never once used the actual card.
You ever had a job? Every job I’ve had wanted to photocopy the original card along with my ID
I’ve never had a job ask for it. The most they’ve asked for is two forms of id and I used drivers license and passport.
That’s true, they just want two forms of ID and I’ve never had a passport. Good point.
I’ve never had to present my SS card or a photocopy of it for any job. They of course ask for my SSN as they legitimately need it, but that’s it.
New York State requires you to present the actual card to get a license (at least in some circumstances). It was a whole ordeal for me.
